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Doohicky wrote:

 The Red Hobbit wrote:

ListenToMeWarriors wrote:
No Firing Deck on the Chaos Rhino either, and it appears they have transposed Vashtorr's sweep and normal attack on the datasheet.

It's not on the WE or 1k Sons version either . Hopefully a typo, but could be intentional, the beleaguered warbands can't maintain the firing decks anymore

The DG do have firing decks.
But that might just be holes from rusting

At least DG have something going for them

Laughing Man wrote:

EviscerationPlague wrote:
I'll be using Traitor Guardmen for special weapons I guess. Can they ride a Rhino LOL

They're going to be great backline objective holders. Give 'em three sniper rifles and ruin all the Leaders' days.

I had the same thought, unfortunately the Blooded KT box doesn't have 3x Sniper bits iirc

cole1114 wrote:I will say, while I like the identity of CSM I'm having a lot more trouble theorycrafting lists for them than space marines.

Yeah there's a ton of options, and the flexibility to bring in Daemon's or Chaos Knights lets you shore up weaknesses. Knights seem like a good ally for 1k Sons looking for AT and I'm looking forward to running Daemons with my WE. Although I'm considering going Khornate Warband as well.

lost_lilliputian wrote:
When they say 'first munitorum field manual' does that imply there will be more than one?

Yeah most likely. Hopefully these field manuals with points changes remain free...

 Galef wrote:

 VladimirHerzog wrote:

 cole1114 wrote:
I will say, while I like the identity of CSM I'm having a lot more trouble theorycrafting lists for them than space marines.

i'm not even bothering with it until we get points

It doesn't hurt to at least see what units synergize with others though. Thar way once the points drop, you know what units to "price" first.
Also Marks and Enhancements are probably free, so it's good to see what units might benefit most from certain ones

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ITC guys that streamed games with full points known etc said they cost points.

Overall looks like points won't have big overhaul. Obviously some changes here and there but the 2000 pts armies of 10e we have seen have tended to be around 1900+-20 and then the enchantments.

Termagaunts got revealed to be 6/model.

ITC guys that streamed games with full points known etc said they cost points.

Overall looks like points won't have big overhaul. Obviously some changes here and there but the 2000 pts armies of 10e we have seen have tended to be around 1900+-20 and then the enchantments.

Termagaunts got revealed to be 6/model.

I can't imagine they are changing the scale of the game. So most units should be similar points to what they are now. That said if units that got hit hard with the nerf bat such as VV and Wulfen don't cost significantly less then no one will use them. Of course that may have been the plan.

 The Red Hobbit wrote:

CoALabaer wrote:

But just look at that defiler rule: i can finally move it around! Even when there is terrain!

I'm also quite happy my giant crab can scuttle over other units. But I also would have been happy if that was just a core rule for large models, instead of a datasheet rule.

It sort of is a core rule, though? Vehicles and monsters can move over your own non-vehicle and non-monster units already. The Defiler can also move over bigger units, but as someone already pointed out elsewhere, the Defiler's footprint makes it difficult for it to actually walk all the way across a Rhino unless you're advancing. Hmm. Slaaneshi Defilers can use the strat to still fire and charge even after advancing. Now, that is juicy...

 Galef wrote:

 VladimirHerzog wrote:

 cole1114 wrote:
I will say, while I like the identity of CSM I'm having a lot more trouble theorycrafting lists for them than space marines.

i'm not even bothering with it until we get points

It doesn't hurt to at least see what units synergize with others though. Thar way once the points drop, you know what units to "price" first.
Also Marks and Enhancements are probably free, so it's good to see what units might benefit most from certain ones

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Not that I would use any other mark, but the Mark of Tzeentch on Cultist Mobs is gonna be hilarious.

Added to the OP:

Edit 06/14/2023 'Soldier of 4chan'

Some rumours from 4chan, take with the appropriate barge-load of salt:

- Tyranid wave will incoroporate ''several waves that had been delayed in previous editions''
- Around 8-12 new kits for normal units
- On top of that, what was at one point aimed to be a ''Codex Biotitans'' with 3-4 knight-sized monsters
- ''Another huge wave'' on top of that for 10th edition proper
- And further additional releases for Killteam, Genestealer Cults and ''another Nid character with a Campaign later on''

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They added the Chaos Knights they forgot yesterday, such a rush job they didn't even update the upload date:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/06/5I1cNt3t71dfd3jh.pdf

 Lord Damocles wrote:
Well aren't I a fraggin eegit for having a unit of FIVE spawn.

Should'a seen that one coming, eh!

There has always been need for extra spawn in chaos armies because spells and weapons turn enemy characters in to spawn, and ofcourse everyone has fond memmories of how their evil overlords got "rewarded" by the dark gods by turning in to a spawn Good times, so, I expect this will be true also for this edition.

Some leaked from 4chan

Unsurprisingly, they literally just made Skitarii Rangers and Vanguard into Guardsmen.

SoB https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/06/riFjIh9OeKg6AbLZ.pdf

Grey Knights: https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/06/4czxZwZf5cZCT7dk.pdf

Adeptus Mechanicus: https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/06/vkzQ2IBbrrCVNzz3.pdf

Custodes: https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/06/TE5lPwmnUDrITuGM.pdf

Good to see that the Canoness still can't have a Blessed Blade and Rod of Pointing.

I'd have hated for that.

Jeez, they still can't get the Kasrkin datasheet to match "what's in the box".

So much for that nonsense.

Holy cow GW straight up deleted regular Celestians

The Deathwatch mortal wound trick has been nerfed within 48 hours.

"Note: There’s also a very slight update to the Deathwatch datasheets posted earlier this week. After field tests, our resident tech-magos deemed Hellfire Rounds to be a little too dangerous on certain units, so that Stratagem has been tweaked. It now does not affect weapons with the Devastating Wounds rule. You can download the updated Index here."

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/06/14/free-imperium-index-cards-reclaim-the-galaxy-with-humanitys-finest/

SO far on the DW front

Guard - a couple of tanks have it. No way to grant it to large blocks.
GK - A strat for melee weapons
Sisters - Combi-weapons only, but otherwise not much. Need to explore on the combis. EDIT: missed character giving it to melee.
Custodes - pretty much only on SoS and no way to grant. Need to review SoS.
Admech - Electropriests, Raiders, Sulphurhounds, Ruststalkers, and a smattering of other irrelevant selections
Knights - Warden full up, Desecrator vs M/V, a handful of weapons and a strat for melee
Agents - mostly just webbers

So basic guard infantry squads didn't get hit with the 'no duplicate weapons' trend. That's something

Sgts are still stuck with pistols or bolters, however.

Ogryn with rippers have surprisingly good shooting. Feel weird and surprising.

Edit: Never mind

I hope you don't like ablative wounds in your Retributor squads. LOL

So Misericordia is now for selected models only.

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:
Holy cow GW straight up deleted regular Celestians

They've all been re-assigned to back-fill Battle Sister and Dominion squads.

Voss wrote:
So basic guard infantry squads didn't get hit with the 'no duplicate weapons' trend. That's something

Because it's just two squads glommed together if you go to the 20 option. Cadians and Krieg were the ones affected by it before, still are unfortunately.

Aestred and Agathae have had the glow up of the century - gone from being useless to possibly scary? Aestred grant Devasting Wounds to melee attacks and Agathae modifies Miracle Dice used on the unit by 1 (max of 6).
The only melee unit they can attach to are Sacrosancts though, who want a Canoness, Palatine or Judith instead so they can activate their -1 To Wound ability.

Also Immolators let Sisters combat squad. Poor Razorbacks.

Sly Marbo looks stupid fun.


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Bullgryns are -1D to a minimum of 1....man that's confusing...

Hydra Autocannon fires a mighty... four shots.

Hmm...

I am pleasantly surprised GW fixed Deathwatch so quickly. Perhaps there is hope for this edition yet..

Also, liking what I see regarding Imperial Agents. Yesterday, I got a Chaos army from my existing minis, and today I got extra mileage from my Imperial KT21 models. Heck, I might even be able to squeeze in some more models from BSF, not too bad!

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Hydra Autocannon fires a mighty... four shots.

Hmm...

It's 2x Twin-Linked Autocannons as it was in other iterations before 9th. What's the problem?

 Valkyrie wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Hydra Autocannon fires a mighty... four shots.

Hmm...

It's 2x Twin-Linked Autocannons as it was in other iterations before 9th. What's the problem?

Probably just forgetting that twin-linked is now a thing again

On initial viewing I am quite happy with the Imperial Agents.