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 Daba wrote:
If you give the shuriken rifle to a corsairs, they can't fight in melee.

Such rigorous playtesting!

 Scottywan82 wrote:
Good god, they really destroyed this new edition. All the weapons that get lumped together, nothing consistent from one datasheet to the next, and sprue-based restrictions everywhere. What a clusterfeth.

Except when there aren't sprue-based restrictions...for instance SOB, Devastators, etc...

I like the broad stroke changes of this edition but yeah, the total lack of consistency is driving me insane.

Scourges have no such weapon restrictions despite there only being 1 of each weapon type per sprue. Yet Blightlords and Tankbustas are lumped with that. Chaosistency!

Hamonculi cannot join Grotesques because... reasons.

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:

 Daba wrote:
If you give the shuriken rifle to a corsairs, they can't fight in melee.

Was just gonna point that out. How freaking stupid.

No no! Guys you don't understand! It's totally intentional design. Just like the Terminator Captain!

The more comments I read, the more I think that Guard avoided a lot of the nonsense going on...

Yeah, there is bizarre things that you can run into.

Well good thing that whoever wrote rules for GSC is a happy convert.

 Scottywan82 wrote:
Weird. Yvraine and the Visarch can join Corsair units, but the Ynnari rules say they can't have Anhrathe units in the first place.

If you don’t add Drukhari to the army, then all of the regulations are dropped. So you can take Yvraine and all other units in index, just not drukhari

 Sotahullu wrote:
Yeah, there is bizarre things that you can run into.

Well good thing that whoever wrote rules for GSC is a happy convert.

I've started trying to convince friends who don't like the state of guard to play GSC. In many ways you're basically playing spec-ops guard and anything that doesn't easily transport over like tanks you can just run as brood brothers.

 Trickstick wrote:
The more comments I read, the more I think that Guard avoided a lot of the nonsense going on...

The more I read, the more I just want to do my own version of these datasheets to restore the missing pieces (proper Combi-Weapons, Tyranid tail weaponry, Combat Squads, Autarch weapon options, etc.).

I just realized the Autarchs can't have banshee mask and banshee blade OR mandiblasters +scorpion chainsword.

The autarch skyrunner is another model that can end up without melee attacks. fusion gun OR banshee blade replaces laser lance, so if you take the fusion gun, no melee weapon.


Ynnari isn't actually a thing. Just having Yvraine as your warlord lets you take dark elfs (with no benefits) and bans some craftworld units.

 Grimtuff wrote:
Hamonculi cannot join Grotesques because... reasons.

Cutting 50% more wounds with a boosted FNP could be a problem that makes Wracks unpalatable, because all the Haemonculus selections are stuck in Grot units.

Voss wrote:
I just realized the Autarchs can't have banshee mask and banshee blade OR mandiblasters +scorpion chainsword.

The autarch skyrunner is another model that can end up without melee attacks. fusion gun OR banshee blade replaces laser lance, so if you take the fusion gun, no melee weapon.


Ynnari isn't actually a thing. Just having Yvraine as your warlord lets you take dark elfs (with no benefits) and bans some craftworld units.

the Autarch got weirdly limited in that you can't use all the options you can build from the current kit in combination, and to use some of the bits you get in the new kit you must kitbash it with the older winged Autarch kit.

Hands up if you were honestly expecting GW not to make a huge mess of releasing a new edition.

This may be a silly question as I have only followed the news sparely, but are the core rules that they released enough to understand how this datasheets work or are there additional rules in the core book that are relevant and may make something work differently in practice?

Looks like some eldar things got changed at the last minute or without thought.

There are a suspicious number of units (vypers, support weapons, war walkers) that are 1 model, but 'any number' of models can swap their weapons.

Traditional solo vehicles (like tanks) are 'this model' can swap.

 Matthew Flamen wrote:
This may be a silly question as I have only followed the news sparely, but are the core rules that they released enough to understand how this datasheets work or are there additional rules in the core book that are relevant and may make something work differently in practice?

We have the full rules for 10th edition. The only thing we're missing are points and scenarios.

Laughing Man wrote:
The only thing we're missing are points and scenarios.

Wait... scenarios? I thought there were no missions, and that it was just the rulebook mission and everything would be done via card packs now? Or do you mean Combat Patrol stuff?

And I thought we were getting points and Crusade stuff tomorrow?

Oh boy, looks like GW doing what they do best..

Da Butcha wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Oh boy... look at that Tankbusta entry.

They need a new kit.

100% correct. This is probably the most egregious thing I saw in the Ork list. I know that is how the box is packed, but holy cow, no one could have bought two or converted some models? Who takes five?

My only hope on this is that it might change with a new plastic kit in 2.7 years.

I mean, it’s not like the basic Ork infantry kit comes with rokkit launchas and tankbusta bombs…oh, wait, yes, yes it does.

Also, why for the love of Mork (or Gork) do the rokkit pistols warrant being their own separate profile, when every other special weapon with multiple variants has been consolidated so hard they’re on the brink of gravitational collapse?!

Loopstah wrote:
Hands up if you were honestly expecting GW not to make a huge mess of releasing a new edition.

Kinda also depend swhat you mean by a huge mess. So far they've done better than with 8th imo.

 Jadenim wrote:

Da Butcha wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Oh boy... look at that Tankbusta entry.

They need a new kit.

100% correct. This is probably the most egregious thing I saw in the Ork list. I know that is how the box is packed, but holy cow, no one could have bought two or converted some models? Who takes five?

My only hope on this is that it might change with a new plastic kit in 2.7 years.

I mean, it’s not like the basic Ork infantry kit comes with rokkit launchas and tankbusta bombs…oh, wait, yes, yes it does.

Also, why for the love of Mork (or Gork) do the rokkit pistols warrant being their own separate profile, when every other special weapon with multiple variants has been consolidated so hard they’re on the brink of gravitational collapse?!

They completely trashed this entry, period.
Stupid weapon options are non longer options,
ridiculous number of models...

People who have the models (converted or not) for bands of 10+ models
can feel insulted (I know I do!) What the hell with this datasheet?!!

EviscerationPlague wrote:

 AduroT wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
The Necrons are pretty cool.

Not a single complaint? From you?! Man, the Necrons stuff must truly be Amazing!

Nah, he just didn't do a deep dive. Pschomancer improves morale for enemy units, Stormlord does nothing in regards to buffing your army like other models of his stature besides 1CP per turn, Orikan is now once per battle with his ability, RP is still useless as hell, etc.

It being better written than some other indices doesn't make it good.

It's really hard to argue that the new rules for Orikan are worse than the old ones. You were randomly and probably never going to get the Empowered profile before, and even if you did it wasn't that impressive. Now when the opportunity arises to go c'tan mode Orikan will actually feth something up pretty bad at S12. Master Chronomancer also got buffed.

My only real complaint is that the doomstalker still looks terrible. Other than that (and the typo on the psychomancer where you can obviously tell what it's supposed to do I guess) the rules look good.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Laughing Man wrote:
The only thing we're missing are points and scenarios.

Wait... scenarios? I thought there were no missions, and that it was just the rulebook mission and everything would be done via card packs now? Or do you mean Combat Patrol stuff?

And I thought we were getting points and Crusade stuff tomorrow?

It's points and GT pack tomorrow. I assume some sort of mission stuff is in the GT pack.

 Trickstick wrote:
I assume some sort of mission stuff is in the GT pack.

IIRC, the GT pack still uses the cards, but they're predetermined rather than drawn.

I kinda wanna say i told you so... especially after what happened at the time with R&H way back when, and more recently with the utterly moronical and spitefull legending of "HH" units that aren't actually HH units as a chaos marine player because SM had too many entries.... but honestly... no i don't.

That moronicism was the end result was clear there and then and yet, we got this nonsense, somehow managing to outdo itself.

Dudeface wrote:

Loopstah wrote:
Hands up if you were honestly expecting GW not to make a huge mess of releasing a new edition.

Kinda also depend swhat you mean by a huge mess. So far they've done better than with 8th imo.

Better than 2nd and 3rd too, the other reset editions.

The Court of the Archon requires one of each monster, now? But I want my four snake-dudes, damnit!

 Shakalooloo wrote:
The Court of the Archon requires one of each monster, now? But I want my four snake-dudes, damnit!

Same, plus the Beastmaster does the same stupidity.

Has there been any news on when IA data sheets will be released?

Loopstah wrote:
Has there been any news on when IA data sheets will be released?

Soon™