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LOL what they moved the Invul save icon on the datacards to under the save now?

I mean it's a better spot for it than what they had on the Index cards but consistency is appreciated.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

Tsagualsa wrote:
Legends of the HH pdf: https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/06/21/the-legends-of-the-horus-heresy-get-downloadable-rules-for-warhammer-40000/

SM: https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/06/g3bIhhmp9MBUCeX6.pdf
CSM: https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/06/pV70XLjIji8Z2ELx.pdf
AM: https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/06/ivUn0tBjeSF08jma.pdf

Additional info:

What you won’t find in this download are units from the Adeptus Custodes and Knight Households. You can find their rules in the associated Imperial Armour compendiums, which will be released in the near future. Also coming soon are the datasheets for those non-Heresy-era units entering Legends.

We’re almost done with our free rules downloads for the new edition of Warhammer 40,000, but there are still a few big ones left. Tomorrow, the docking hatch opens on new Boarding Actions rules, and you can continue to wage deadly close-range duels in the cramped confines of a space hulk.

Where are the points costs going to be?

Came here to ask the same thing. You’d have thought since they aren’t gonna be revised they could have put them on the datasheets.

Another tiny victory dance - Tarantulas and Deathstorm Drop Pods are still game in 10th edition! To me, both units are as iconic to Astartes and the Imperium as Indomi termies, Whirlwind/Land Speeder combos and the classic power armour marks

Where are the points though? I thought GW said the points values for legends units wont be updated as the edition progresses, so they coulda just included em on these pdfs IMO..

Are they coming in the upcoming IA Index?

 General Kroll wrote:

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

Tsagualsa wrote:
Legends of the HH pdf: https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/06/21/the-legends-of-the-horus-heresy-get-downloadable-rules-for-warhammer-40000/

SM: https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/06/g3bIhhmp9MBUCeX6.pdf
CSM: https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/06/pV70XLjIji8Z2ELx.pdf
AM: https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/06/ivUn0tBjeSF08jma.pdf

Additional info:

What you won’t find in this download are units from the Adeptus Custodes and Knight Households. You can find their rules in the associated Imperial Armour compendiums, which will be released in the near future. Also coming soon are the datasheets for those non-Heresy-era units entering Legends.

We’re almost done with our free rules downloads for the new edition of Warhammer 40,000, but there are still a few big ones left. Tomorrow, the docking hatch opens on new Boarding Actions rules, and you can continue to wage deadly close-range duels in the cramped confines of a space hulk.

Where are the points costs going to be?

Came here to ask the same thing. You’d have thought since they aren’t gonna be revised they could have put them on the datasheets.

Your best chance at actually getting an answer is to ask the Social Media Team on twitter, they're usually being vague, but sometimes you can get lucky:

https://twitter.com/warhammer/status/1671472871242190849

They mentioned 'future updates' for this... which is contrary to what 'Legends' has been so far.

Assuming (I know, never assume with GW) that points on these Legends-units will be about what they should be:

- Kratos: Looks fine.
Kratos Battle Cannon still trash, Volkite Cardanelle still great (esp with OoM) and... Melta blast-gun actually looks decent now? A melta-weapon with more than 9 Str? Is that even legal?

Line-breaker as a rule is pretty boring though, not gonna lie, especially since it barely has any blast-weapons. Not getting -1 to hit is nice I suppose.

- Leviathan Dreads: Ehh, not sure.
Lost some wounds and what with dreads of all flavours getting a 2+ this literally is simply a Redemptor with a 5++ now: Exact same statline, same special rule and even the same melee-weapon with different name.

The only difference other than the 5++ is the weapons, but neither the Melta Lance (typo that it's not [blast]?), the Stormcannon or the Grav-flux Bombard really impresses me.
The fact that it doesn't gain anything from having two melee-weapons seems like an oversight (or just lazy ruleswriting).

Awaiting final judgement untill I've seen the actual points.

I certainly wouldn't mind future updtes to these units.. but why even bother to call em Legends in that case?

 tauist wrote:
I certainly wouldn't mind future updtes to these units.. but why even bother to call em Legends in that case?

to keep em out of the tournament scene, which had the unfortunate issue that certain factions had their whole shooting there... cough decimators and CSM + derivatives.

Not Online!!! wrote:

 tauist wrote:
I certainly wouldn't mind future updtes to these units.. but why even bother to call em Legends in that case?

to keep em out of the tournament scene, which had the unfortunate issue that certain factions had their whole shooting there... cough decimators and CSM + derivatives.

We haven't seen the points yet, but I don't know if any of these will be as busted as some of the most offending datasheets on the indexes out so far..

 AduroT wrote:
App works fine for me. Minor quibbles;

Instead of getting the option for 10 or 20 Necron Warriors, it’s the 10-20, so I have to hit the + for every additional one. Then when you add them it doesn’t add their wargear, so now you have to manually add ten guns and ten close combat weapons, unless you want to give them reapers then you have to manually remove ten guns and add twenty. I really wish for stuff that didn’t have weapons options it was just a checkbox for which one they all had. But this issue was in the old app as well so I’m used to it.

Can’t reorder units, they show up in alphabetical order irregardless. Units with the same name can be reordered by duplicating and deleting them to get the ones you want listed last.

Otherwise it seems quite functional at first pass.

Unfortumately necron warriors can have mixed weapons so short of changing datasheet you need to be able to alter weapon count if app is to support sheet.

Albeit weapon a/b/mixed(which unlocks buttons to select each weapon amount) would be possible

 tauist wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:

 tauist wrote:
I certainly wouldn't mind future updtes to these units.. but why even bother to call em Legends in that case?

to keep em out of the tournament scene, which had the unfortunate issue that certain factions had their whole shooting there... cough decimators and CSM + derivatives.

We haven't seen the points yet, but I don't know if any of these will be as busted as some of the most offending datasheets on the indexes out so far..

GW stated that if it is in the Legends of the HH that it isn't torunament legal (e.g. all in those PDF's). So it doesn't matter, all that is in these 3 pdfs are "fine for matched play", which considering that matched play tends to follow the torunaments and becomes / tends to become default rules for pick up games is basically wishfull thinking from GW.

Not Online!!! wrote:

 tauist wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:

 tauist wrote:
I certainly wouldn't mind future updtes to these units.. but why even bother to call em Legends in that case?

to keep em out of the tournament scene, which had the unfortunate issue that certain factions had their whole shooting there... cough decimators and CSM + derivatives.

We haven't seen the points yet, but I don't know if any of these will be as busted as some of the most offending datasheets on the indexes out so far..

GW stated that if it is in the Legends of the HH that it isn't torunament legal (e.g. all in those PDF's). So it doesn't matter, all that is in these 3 pdfs are "fine for matched play", which considering that matched play tends to follow the torunaments and becomes / tends to become default rules for pick up games is basically wishfull thinking from GW.

Thankfully I only play with friends, but my point was, why'd these few sheets not be halal for tourney use, but several, more busted sheets are? Suppose I already know the answer... Chaosistency?

Not Online!!! wrote:


He, the decimator revives again

But its armoured feet have no profile

Thunderhawk isn't in there.... So it will be supported throughout the edition, or it will be legends, but isn't being rolled into the legends of the horus heresy pdf - rather than just a legends PDF for each faction - bloat has started guys!

The new article describing the Legends of the Horus Heresy rules for free download had me actually thinking they ported all the Mechanicum units to 40k, I must have read a lot into it because I was thinking to myself “this is a total game changer” only to see literally three data sheets

Unexpected treat bonus for me in the Tarantula sheet - unit of 1 model!

I always thought it was tactically daft you needed to clump all three turrets in conga lines.. they are much more useful now that you can deploy em one by one. My favourite datasheet change in 10th so far!


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 endlesswaltz123 wrote:
Thunderhawk isn't in there.... So it will be supported throughout the edition, or it will be legends, but isn't being rolled into the legends of the horus heresy pdf - rather than just a legends PDF for each faction - bloat has started guys!

I bet it will be in index Imperial Armour.. little timmy wants 3 for his ultramarines after seeing how cool they looked in the Space Marine 2 video game

endlesswaltz123 wrote:Thunderhawk isn't in there.... So it will be supported throughout the edition, or it will be legends, but isn't being rolled into the legends of the horus heresy pdf - rather than just a legends PDF for each faction - bloat has started guys!

Plastic Thunderhawk confirmed! /s
It's probably an oversight, the Chaos Thunderhawk is right there... i'd not be surprised if whoever was composing that .pdf just did the Stormbird and thought 'good enough' - the SM Thunderhakw may or may not appear in the 'regular' IA pdfs later on.

ph34r wrote:The new article describing the Legends of the Horus Heresy rules for free download had me actually thinking they ported all the Mechanicum units to 40k, I must have read a lot into it because I was thinking to myself “this is a total game changer” only to see literally three data sheets

We may yet cling to hope for the 'regular' IA pdfs, so far everything is just erratic.

Several Genestealer Cult characters cannot be selected without errors in the new app. Nexos and Magus models do not have any wargear options as per their datacards, but you can remove their default wargear in the app. It doesn't matter though, as no matter what combination of wargear you give them, legal or legal, you'll still get a wargear error.

Other characters such as the Biophagus do have multiple legal options, but you can still remove wargear that it is not legal to do so, and result in errors no matter what when added to an army.

 The Phazer wrote:
Holy gak the app is *terrible*.

It might be even worse than the last one. This is what they were hoping people would use instead of Battlescribe?

The Combat Patrol versions of the rosters are just mixed in the list of datacards instead of in their own section, but if you go into the roster builder you can't make armies with points values other than 1000, 2000 and 3000 points. So no Combat Patrol to note down your enhancements etc in advance. Or small games. Or boarding patrols it seems.

It's a buggy mess with a completely incompetent layout. I'm told it's "temporarily free" even after logging in as a W+ subscriber.

This strikes me as almost certainly built by the same chumps as the last app. It has similar issues.

Why do I have to click *seven* expand buttons to see a typical datacard properly on an iPad each time I go into one? All the weapons etc aren't visible by default. Every time.

This is hilariously bad.

Holy hyperbole. The app is a huge huge huge improvement from the last one, its actually not that bad overall. Biggest issue (the fact that it isn't *free* notwithstanding) is that the "reference" section is a mess that should be categorized and sorted for ease of navigation, etc. rather than being left as a long messy list that you have to scroll through. That aside, overall navigation (within the core rules section or any given index) is an absolute breeze and listbuilding is straightforward. Its not as good as the warmachine app, but its not too far off from where the warmachine app was on launch. If GW continues to work on developing it and adds in some additional functionality and a few UX tweaks and enhancements, it'll be solid.

Free rules is always appreciated, but these are quite laughably bad.

Other than the Kratos (only ever a plastic kit so I suppose that's the answer), every datasheet is locked to old OOP resin kits from FW, and have none of the newer options from current plastic kits.

"You get rules for what's in the box, except for when we forget which boxes we are talking about and just copy/paste the 2 editions old IA book."

chaos0xomega wrote:

 The Phazer wrote:
Holy gak the app is *terrible*.

It might be even worse than the last one. This is what they were hoping people would use instead of Battlescribe?

The Combat Patrol versions of the rosters are just mixed in the list of datacards instead of in their own section, but if you go into the roster builder you can't make armies with points values other than 1000, 2000 and 3000 points. So no Combat Patrol to note down your enhancements etc in advance. Or small games. Or boarding patrols it seems.

It's a buggy mess with a completely incompetent layout. I'm told it's "temporarily free" even after logging in as a W+ subscriber.

This strikes me as almost certainly built by the same chumps as the last app. It has similar issues.

Why do I have to click *seven* expand buttons to see a typical datacard properly on an iPad each time I go into one? All the weapons etc aren't visible by default. Every time.

This is hilariously bad.

Holy hyperbole. The app is a huge huge huge improvement from the last one, its actually not that bad overall. Biggest issue (the fact that it isn't *free* notwithstanding) is that the "reference" section is a mess that should be categorized and sorted for ease of navigation, etc. rather than being left as a long messy list that you have to scroll through. That aside, overall navigation (within the core rules section or any given index) is an absolute breeze and listbuilding is straightforward. Its not as good as the warmachine app, but its not too far off from where the warmachine app was on launch. If GW continues to work on developing it and adds in some additional functionality and a few UX tweaks and enhancements, it'll be solid.

Yup, was thinking exactly the same. I’ve already made three lists with three different factions and had no issues. It’s a huge improvement.

Tsagualsa wrote:
Legends of the HH pdf: https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/06/21/the-legends-of-the-horus-heresy-get-downloadable-rules-for-warhammer-40000/

SM: https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/06/g3bIhhmp9MBUCeX6.pdf
CSM: https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/06/pV70XLjIji8Z2ELx.pdf
AM: https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/06/ivUn0tBjeSF08jma.pdf

Eh.
Could've been worse, I suppose. Could have been better, too.

Not sure why predator variant weapons aren't here, nor why the Kratos has access to some of the additional sponson weapons, but Sicarans don't.

None of it is actually usable without points so... this feels unfinished.

EldarExarch wrote:
LOL what they moved the Invul save icon on the datacards to under the save now?

I mean it's a better spot for it than what they had on the Index cards but consistency is appreciated.

If you go back through all the indexes you'll notice that some of them had the invul saves icon in the same spot under the save in the unit profile while others had them in the lower right area where they put unit abilities, etc. In at least one case, I noticed both formats within the same index, why they didn't standardize it to begin with I have no idea.

chaos0xomega wrote:

Holy hyperbole. The app is a huge huge huge improvement from the last one, its actually not that bad overall. Biggest issue (the fact that it isn't *free* notwithstanding) is that the "reference" section is a mess that should be categorized and sorted for ease of navigation, etc. rather than being left as a long messy list that you have to scroll through. That aside, overall navigation (within the core rules section or any given index) is an absolute breeze and listbuilding is straightforward. Its not as good as the warmachine app, but its not too far off from where the warmachine app was on launch. If GW continues to work on developing it and adds in some additional functionality and a few UX tweaks and enhancements, it'll be solid.

Listbuilding is literally broken for some factions, how is that straightforward?

 tauist wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:

 tauist wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:

 tauist wrote:
I certainly wouldn't mind future updtes to these units.. but why even bother to call em Legends in that case?

to keep em out of the tournament scene, which had the unfortunate issue that certain factions had their whole shooting there... cough decimators and CSM + derivatives.

We haven't seen the points yet, but I don't know if any of these will be as busted as some of the most offending datasheets on the indexes out so far..

GW stated that if it is in the Legends of the HH that it isn't torunament legal (e.g. all in those PDF's). So it doesn't matter, all that is in these 3 pdfs are "fine for matched play", which considering that matched play tends to follow the torunaments and becomes / tends to become default rules for pick up games is basically wishfull thinking from GW.

Thankfully I only play with friends, but my point was, why'd these few sheets not be halal for tourney use, but several, more busted sheets are? Suppose I already know the answer... Chaosistency?

No, 40k ruleswriter team still feuding with the FW team probably.
Also they heard people wanted reduction and consolidation, especially of marines, which meant that CSM had clearly to many options.

Would you care for another primaris marine datasheet though?

of course the sheets themselves are positively ... tame... so why they aren't kosher is a whole other debate atleast form a rulespoint, but then again the tourney scene already wants to ban Eldar in some places.


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Snugiraffe wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:


He, the decimator revives again

But its armoured feet have no profile

Could be worse, could be the first draft of 9th R&H rules in which R&H troops couldn't hold objectives

Just goes to show that legends rules have no legs to stand on.

Contrary to all the naysayers here, I think the app is smooth and I just built a Ravenguard, Eldar and sisters army in 10mins. Maybe because I’m old, but the app works exactly how I want it to (unlike battlescribe which I hated with a passion).
Is it perfect? No, but far better than previous version. Just keep an eye on bottom left box to make sure you’re legal as you progress.

 The Phazer wrote:

Listbuilding is literally broken for some factions, how is that straightforward?

What factions are literally broken? I haven't encountered any app crashes yet.

Not Online!!! wrote:

No, 40k ruleswriter team still feuding with the FW team probably.

There is no FW 40K team. All 40k rules have been written by the same studio since at least the start of 9th, probably due to what happened with the 8th edition Imperial Armour books.

 xttz wrote:

 The Phazer wrote:

Listbuilding is literally broken for some factions, how is that straightforward?

What factions are literally broken? I haven't encountered any app crashes yet.

Not Online!!! wrote:

No, 40k ruleswriter team still feuding with the FW team probably.

There is no FW 40K team. All 40k rules have been written by the same studio since at least the start of 9th, probably due to what happened with the 8th edition Imperial Armour books.

You can still feud with them, by tarnishing their works. Spite is a hell of a motivator.

Not Online!!! wrote:

 tauist wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:

 tauist wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:

 tauist wrote:
I certainly wouldn't mind future updtes to these units.. but why even bother to call em Legends in that case?

to keep em out of the tournament scene, which had the unfortunate issue that certain factions had their whole shooting there... cough decimators and CSM + derivatives.

We haven't seen the points yet, but I don't know if any of these will be as busted as some of the most offending datasheets on the indexes out so far..

GW stated that if it is in the Legends of the HH that it isn't torunament legal (e.g. all in those PDF's). So it doesn't matter, all that is in these 3 pdfs are "fine for matched play", which considering that matched play tends to follow the torunaments and becomes / tends to become default rules for pick up games is basically wishfull thinking from GW.

Thankfully I only play with friends, but my point was, why'd these few sheets not be halal for tourney use, but several, more busted sheets are? Suppose I already know the answer... Chaosistency?

No, 40k ruleswriter team still feuding with the FW team probably.
Also they heard people wanted reduction and consolidation, especially of marines, which meant that CSM had clearly to many options.

Would you care for another primaris marine datasheet though?

of course the sheets themselves are positively ... tame... so why they aren't kosher is a whole other debate atleast form a rulespoint, but then again the tourney scene already wants to ban Eldar in some places.


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Snugiraffe wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:


He, the decimator revives again

But its armoured feet have no profile

Could be worse, could be the first draft of 9th R&H rules in which R&H troops couldn't hold objectives

Just goes to show that legends rules have no legs to stand on.

The case of the missing armoured feet: Legends lack leg-ends, already on their last leg.

i wonder if the indexes are more up to date or the app?
i noticed one difference on the krieg infantry entry.
the index lists the medipak with no actual way to equip it but the app doesnt even mention it.

I've been knocking out some 1000pt lists trying to figure out what I want to build towards and I have to say, the new list builder app seems pretty decent so far! I'm a diehard Battlescribe user previously, but I'm not really sure what that app could do over this, other than not require a W+ sub to use...