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I like the heads. I hope we get more than the 3 unscarred, unhelmeted ones. I plan on using any spares on my Shieldwolf Aravases since they are no longer coming with new unveiled heads... just more of the shield maiden heads.

But I do love that goggled head.

Of course the Female Cannon fodder heads have a number of unhelmeted heads that can work too.

mithril2098 wrote:
besides, if you want a more regimented and not-psychotic chaos cult, you have a bunch of other WGA army styles to pick from.

For women, though, you really only have the Cannon Fodder as an option.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

mithril2098 wrote:
besides, if you want a more regimented and not-psychotic chaos cult, you have a bunch of other WGA army styles to pick from.

For women, though, you really only have the Cannon Fodder as an option.

There are female heads in the Raumjager and female heads in the Les Grognards Command & Heavy weapon box, though both kits will still be majority sausage fest. There are five female heads per Command & Heavy sprue, and all in different headgear. Raumjager has two female heads per sprue, I think?

If you buy from wga directly, do you get to vote on vox populi if you buy a box or more of miniatures? Or do you have to buy the vox votes/gift certificates first?

Stargrave Troopers includes female heads mostly with helmets.

The crew and merc sets have more bare heads.

 privateer4hire wrote:
If you buy from wga directly, do you get to vote on vox populi if you buy a box or more of miniatures? Or do you have to buy the vox votes/gift certificates first?

I'm sure it works as buying the vote, receive an evoucher for purchases. Vouchers can be banked for the future.

One could vote every week and use the vouchers every fifth week or whatever for a box. I assume the vouchers could be banked until the box you've voted for is actually released.

What's the US term? Lay away?


From the website.


Vox Populi
Vox Populi lets you move plastic sets in our production schedule up the queue. Vote on a set by buying a $5 voucher. You can vote for as many sets as you like or multiples of each set. The $5 vote is a gift code that will be emailed to you on checkout and immediately redeemable in our store. You can use them now or save them for a future purchase.

Thank you. That part makes sense to me

I’m more asking if I buy a box for $35 (without buying vox certificates for $35 and cashing them in) do I get $35 worth of vox populi votes?

 privateer4hire wrote:
Thank you. That part makes sense to me

I’m more asking if I buy a box for $35 (without buying vox certificates for $35 and cashing them in) do I get $35 worth of vox populi votes?

Not that I'm aware of.

It's votes for vouchers, not products for votes.

Ok... thinking of the sprues... I wont take any of the female or male infantry as sprues.. all of the other damned make more sense... I am gonna get some Raumjager, a couple Grognard command/heavy weapons sprues, some more female cannon fodder and then the rest in Bulldogs. What is everyone else thinking on the sprues? Wonder why the spiders, landsknecht ogres and lizards arent included in sprues... arent they deathfields too?

• Damned Infantry - 6 to a sprue so 4 sprues to a box.
• Damned Brutes - 3 to a sprue so 3 sprues to a box.
• Damned Weapons teams - 4 crew to a sprue so 3 sprues to a box.
• Damned Command - 6 to a sprue so 2 sprues to a box.
• Damned outriders - 3 to a sprue so 3 sprues to a box.
• Damned Hounds - 2 handlers and 4 hounds to a sprue so 3 sprues to a box.
• Damned Female Infantry - 6 to a sprue so 4 sprues to a box.
• Raumjager Infantry - 4 bodies to a sprue
• Les Grognards Infantry - 3 bodies to a sprue
• Les Grognards Heads - 24 heads to a sprue
• Les Grognards Command and Heavy support - 2 weapons and 4 bodies per sprue (I think)
• Einherjar - 3 bodies to a sprue
• Cannon Fodder 2 Females - 5 bodies to a sprue
• Bulldogs - 6 bodies to a sprue
• Ooh Rah - 6 bodies to a sprue
• Harvester Alien Bugs - 4 big bugs and 2 small bugs to a sprue
• Deathfields Weapon Upgrade Sprue - 40 weapons and items to a sprue
• Cannon Fodder Male Bodies - 5 bodies to a sprue
* Cannon Fodder Arms and Equipment - guns and back packs...
* 25mm bases - 24 to a sprue

Hmmm Landsknecht Ogres would be a raw deal to get by the sprue, since you need two different sprues to build 3.

OTOH the box is 6 sprues (to build 9) vs the Brutes 3 sprues to build 9 (and retailing for more )

re: Les Grognards Command and Heavy support
4 bodies per sprue, 3 male officer heads in bicornes (2 like Napoleon, 1 fore-and-aft like Wellington), 5 female heads, two pistol arms (right and left), left handed (LH) saber, LH Eagle standard, LH walkie-talkie, LH medical kit, LH pointing extended, RH pointing bent elbow, RH sniper rifle arm with cradling LH, RH phone arm with radio phone backback separately on sprue, RH binocular arm, LH clenched fist (basically USMC "Ooh rah" pose), RH power fist. There are a number of arms which are obviously for the HW crew, one pair is sufficiently spread out that they could be used on a driver. And of course you'd get enough bits to make one HW: tribarrel, mortar, energy weapon (looks like a laser, not a plasma or melta), and a four barrel thing that looks like a short-barreled US WWII naval ack-ack gun. EDIT Though the gunshield is a small hemisphere, and not a large flat plate.

While I'm unlikely to back this campaign as I just want a sprue here and there for Stargrave and other sci-fi skirmish games, if I were backing, I'd choose at least two of the above command sprues for the command and support bits.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Hmmm Landsknecht Ogres would be a raw deal to get by the sprue, since you need two different sprues to build 3.

OTOH the box is 6 sprues (to build 9) vs the Brutes 3 sprues to build 9 (and retailing for more )

Edit: Yeah, that is why the Cannon fodder males look kind of unappealing by the sprue. As1 sprue is either arms and heads or bodies...

Originally the landsknecht ogres had been stated as trying to have 4 to a sprue for 12 to a box (this is what was said when they were first announced after that voting contest. but then it was decided that they wanted to give death fields options too so had to reduce it to 3 bodies to a sprue... that doesn't seem to be the case here...so I wonder why the only 3 sprues to a box. I am a big ogre fan so will be getting at least 1 extra brute sprue to convert and add to my Landsknecht ogre force... I was kind of hoping for a female torso and some heads... but that doesn't look like it will be happening.

As far as the Damned stuff, I do hope we unlock artillery, and the vehicle is kind of growing on me... but my biggest wish right now is the alternate cavalry mounts. Motorcycles would be pretty cool... and that is really the only thing I am crossing my fingers for... well, that and maybe an alternate head sprue... with more of the Un helmeted heads with goggles for both male and females.




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 Ancestral Hamster wrote:
[i]**lots of good info on the Grognard command sprue**
While I'm unlikely to back this campaign as I just want a sprue here and there for Stargrave and other sci-fi skirmish games, if I were backing, I'd choose at least two of the above command sprues for the command and support bits.

Awesome, thanks for the break down. I am thinking of getting 2 or 3 of this sprue... for the female heads and some cooler bodies for command guys.

 alphaecho wrote:

 privateer4hire wrote:
Thank you. That part makes sense to me

I’m more asking if I buy a box for $35 (without buying vox certificates for $35 and cashing them in) do I get $35 worth of vox populi votes?

Not that I'm aware of.

It's votes for vouchers, not products for votes.

Thanks. That’s what I was understanding.

Worth asking if one of the brute bodies (or the one on the command sprue) could be female

i wouldn't really want a female brute to need different arms from the males as i think that would end up being too restrictive, but female form & clothing on the body and a female head would be fine

(Edit: could be the shield? that's going to take up pretty much the same space as a body and people are really keen on that.... or is that going on the command sprue?)

Intersting snippet from the newsletter today

Best Sellers of the Week

The most purchased kits of this week are Ooh Rah, Cannon Fodder 2: Females, Harvesters, Death Fields upgrades and Horses

we often speculate about whether it was 'worth' a company doing stuff but have no real ideas about sales, and while a snapshot like this doesn't give too much commercially sensitive info away it is instructive

Deathfields is clearly a big seller
Female (scifi) sells
The upgrade sprue selling well is good as it means more chance of other upgrades
and the horses are people making cavalry, upgrading existing cavalry with alternate horse poses or using them in dioramas/rpgs etc

I remember a couple years back on a facebook post by WARGAMES ATLANTIC, some were asking for female options but were shot down by others... someone even claimed females were a waste because no one bought them... They stated "Male Frostgrave outsells female Frostgrave by 5 to 1". People asked for evidence of that... and strangely no replies came...

I know female options are not for everyone, but I am glad when they are included. Just like the scifi elements on the landsknecht ogres are not for everyone (I personally got no use out of the 5 boxes I bought) but dont begrudge the options being available. I just wonder at why so many people are always opposed to female options...

Ogres/Brutes in particular. I mean if you have a genetically enhanced 8'/10'/12' tall killing machine, why couldnt it be female... and does having larger breasts or longer hair than the male version, really break your immersion?

Having female infantry and options on the Command and hounds means I can have an all-damned female force... except for the brutes... But still hoping.

Just a reminder, because I didn’t have any of the free sprue options in my pledge:

In order to not lose your place if you were an early backer, add another identical pledge level, ie if your original pledge was for 3 boxes, add a second 3-box pledge. Then go to manage your pledge, delete the first 3-boxes (which has NO free sprue drop down menu) while keeping the second (which has the free sprue option drop down menu).

To be honest I have often noticed the fact some people seem to hate female options in kits and wondering why people would be against that sort of thing, especially if the possibility to build a full male force is widely available.

Ignoring the reasons behind the hate or dislike towards female soldiers it is still surprising how many people will ask for the removal of x or y option because they personally have no use for it. I understand the opposite, asking if w or z can be added to a kit, but removing things was always something I found extremely strange.

I actually got some statuesque miniatures heads to mix in with my male heads from GW kits or Anvil Industry some years ago (in the before times) and they work really well, but to be honest, I like wouldn't have gotten those heads if I had similar options in plastic at the time, since the metal heads are heavy I had some trouble gluing them.
An example of how I used them:
https://i.imgur.com/Wh5oM7o.jpg

 GreenScorpion wrote:

https://i.imgur.com/Wh5oM7o.jpg

Those look great. I got a bunch of the statuesque heads for an "empire" army. I used the pulp heads on Warlord landknechts and perry cavalry and the larger heads on some demi-gryph riders

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
Worth asking if one of the brute bodies (or the one on the command sprue) could be female

i wouldn't really want a female brute to need different arms from the males as i think that would end up being too restrictive, but female form & clothing on the body and a female head would be fine

(Edit: could be the shield? that's going to take up pretty much the same space as a body and people are really keen on that.... or is that going on the command sprue?)

Of all the requests during this campaign, this seems like the most reasonable one. Add in like 2 female heads to the Brute Sprue and call it a good. I mean if that's not possible maybe a small batch of STLs.

 legionaires wrote:

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
Worth asking if one of the brute bodies (or the one on the command sprue) could be female

i wouldn't really want a female brute to need different arms from the males as i think that would end up being too restrictive, but female form & clothing on the body and a female head would be fine

(Edit: could be the shield? that's going to take up pretty much the same space as a body and people are really keen on that.... or is that going on the command sprue?)

Of all the requests during this campaign, this seems like the most reasonable one. Add in like 2 female heads to the Brute Sprue and call it a good. I mean if that's not possible maybe a small batch of STLs.

To be honest some female options would likely make more sense than just the bunch of requests for more heads in x, y or z gear which have been made multiple times for the infantry as far as I could tell. It is not like Wargames Atlantic kits have had a lack in terms of different versions of heads for the same kit.
Not saying that they should drop the extra heads, but if they have the space available on the sprue for a few female parts, even if it is just coversions parts and not a full body, it would make sense to add them.
If they can tool 2 different sprues for grognard heads (the original head sprue and the new version they made for the command/HWT kit), they can certainly make a female conversion sprue, if they don't want it as part of the main brute sprue.

I'd rather not have an army consisting entirely of copies of 2 male sculpts and 1 female sculpt, personally. Even 3 male sculpts (ala Landsknechs Ogres) is pretty bad.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
I'd rather not have an army consisting entirely of copies of 2 male sculpts and 1 female sculpt, personally. Even 3 male sculpts (ala Landsknechs Ogres) is pretty bad.

You arent wrong, but... with the Brutes in particular... There are only ever going to be 3 bodies... the thing is though, If they are like the Landsknecht ogres, the torso front is a separate piece... and its not a huge piece. I really don't think adding 2 "extra female fronts" (1 on command and 1 on the Brutes sprue would take anything away from the males... Though I would be very happy if a future goal was a "female Brute upgrade sprue" that had female front torsos and heads. But also, with separate arms and heads the landsknecht ogres don't really look "samey" unless you are trying to make them more of a formation and purposely make them all the same.

We're working on additional options for the heavy infantry. Things like melee weapons and additional head types. Currently they are more heavily armed and have additional armor: greaves, thigh armor, heavier shoulder pads, braces. What else would you like to see for the heavy boys?

 lord_blackfang wrote:
I'd rather not have an army consisting entirely of copies of 2 male sculpts and 1 female sculpt, personally. Even 3 male sculpts (ala Landsknechs Ogres) is pretty bad.

I understand your concern and I do agree more variety would be good, but to be honest 3 sculpts for a kit that produces 9 models should be less of an issue than 3 sculpts for boxes that produce 24 miniatures and both the grognards infantry box and the einherjar had only 3 body sculpts (don't recall for certain on the grognards but for the einherjar 2 of the poses are the sculpt mirrored, so not exactly an imaginative take from a sculpting point of view).
Grognards fixed the limited body sculpts with the command/heavy weapons box, but they were extremely popular for many months with just those 3 sculpts.

 Wargames Atlantic wrote:
We're working on additional options for the heavy infantry. Things like melee weapons and additional head types. Currently they are more heavily armed and have additional armor: greaves, thigh armor, heavier shoulder pads, braces. What else would you like to see for the heavy boys?

How about backup weapons, i.e. belt knives, clubs, grenades, and (holstered and held) pistols. Ammo and trophies. Demo charges.

 Wargames Atlantic wrote:
We're working on additional options for the heavy infantry. Things like melee weapons and additional head types. Currently they are more heavily armed and have additional armor: greaves, thigh armor, heavier shoulder pads, braces. What else would you like to see for the heavy boys?

I know I keep banging on about it, but demon/grotesque masks with and without stahlhelm type helmets.

Heavy/energy/laser rifles.

Trench knives (the type with knucleduster hand guards), trench clubs, grenades, chain swords/axes.

 Wargames Atlantic wrote:
We're working on additional options for the heavy infantry. Things like melee weapons and additional head types. Currently they are more heavily armed and have additional armor: greaves, thigh armor, heavier shoulder pads, braces. What else would you like to see for the heavy boys?

Night vision goggle heads with a professional elite troop look

Industrial protection heads (hard helms, welding masks...)

Industrial/mining saws and drills

 Wargames Atlantic wrote:
We're working on additional options for the heavy infantry. Things like melee weapons and additional head types. Currently they are more heavily armed and have additional armor: greaves, thigh armor, heavier shoulder pads, braces. What else would you like to see for the heavy boys?

In my mind, heavier armour implies either sentries (or door gunners) or assault pioneers / engineers. Night-vision gear is useful for both of those. Sentries could benefit from a radio or flare gun. Assault troops should have plenty of grenades and grenade pouches, breaching tools like axes, bolt-cutters, and pry-bars (and demolition charges), and close-combat weapons like bayonets, trench knives, and trench clubs (small improvised maces consisting of a piece of pipe or stick with nails attached).
As elite troops, they may have a standard, possibly something a bit smaller than the command squad one. As the Damned are meant to be (or at least have been at one point) religious fanatics, maybe something like books, scrolls, candles, star-symbols, or relics (probably in the form of human bones) might be appropriate.
Some cybernetic arms might be fun. I imagine that between the brutal lifestyle and prevalence of mutations among them, limb loss is fairly common. The average Damned might not warrant a replacement, but elites may have access to better technology.
Good old empty hands. Pointing and waving is appropriate both for sentries and pioneers.
'More heavily armed' kind of implies more weapons, but if you haven't included fancy pistols and powered weapons, some of those would probably be welcome. Shotguns and lasers too.
Some loose shoulder pads, so that weapon arms can be scavenged from other kits.

I dont really have any strong opinions on heavy infantry so will leave that to those who do...

I would like the industrial, riveted diving armor type things i have heard people mention, but I guess that would be more power armor than heavy troopers.. I could also see more mutated troops like 8'tall chaosy were-wolf things... but that kind of steps on the Brutes role..

Oh, one more request for the heavy-armour kit (and honestly I'd like to see it applied to all of the kits, but especially for the elite troops) is close-combat weapons with single-piece blades which look like they would actually stand up to impacts. There's really no reason that they would need to rivet together pieces of metal to make a simple cutting tool and it just looks far too delicate. A few small notches in the blades do more than enough to establish that these are crude weapons which have seen a lot of service.