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Ar-bih-tess is how I pronounce the name.

Loved: The Slaanald Trump narrator on the Seraphon trailer. New Seraphon are ace. Happy for those who have waited so long for the Saurus to be redone.
The whole Killteam box, especially the reintroduction of the Arbites to the setting with new sculpts.
Killteam box is dope…. And is that Vampire Leader’s hair pinned up? Hmmm 🤔

Lame: Underworlds warband. Who wanted them? This just says to me the designers have no idea where they’re going with Malerion.
Primaris heavies…. While the rest of the setting seems to be returning to grimdark nostalgia, the primaris continue to be the strangest anomaly. These just don’t fit as far I’m concerned.
Indifferent: Vashtorr Azrael box. Primaris lieutenant. Eh ok.

 streetsamurai wrote:

 His Master's Voice wrote:
I think those Marine designs traumatized me. I can't stop thinking about how I could possibly try to salvage them...

Spoiler:

 Geifer wrote:


That's the thing with Primaris, isn't it? They are modern tacticool in design, so at their core they are already a deviation from what came to define Marines as we knew them for most of their existence. There's just no fix for that.

Are they though? The basic Primaris is a perfectly fine Marine design - just look at the Black Templar's range, or the couple new Dark Angels.

It's really the paraphernalia that pushes the tacticool vibe.

Dread Master wrote:


Lame: Underworlds warband. Who wanted them? This just says to me the designers have no idea where they’re going with Malerion.

I want them, more grounded, mundane 2 feet on the ground pose for these are always welcome, as oppose to the leap into the fray one from the kit. Morgwaeth’s Blade-coven had 2 witch aelves but only 1 really had a decent grounded pose (that's similar to the cover art of the DoK rulebook), and she's also the worst fighter on that team.

 His Master's Voice wrote:

 Geifer wrote:


That's the thing with Primaris, isn't it? They are modern tacticool in design, so at their core they are already a deviation from what came to define Marines as we knew them for most of their existence. There's just no fix for that.

Are they though? The basic Primaris is a perfectly fine Marine design - just look at the Black Templar's range, or the couple new Dark Angels.

It's really the paraphernalia that pushes the tacticool vibe.

In my view they are. Yes, basic Mk.X have only traces of it (which is the reason why I have Primaris at all, some of their models don't take it very far) but you only need to glance over at the other basic, Phobos Marines to get your tacticool overdose in an instant.

That modern design aspect is so prevalent in the army, almost everywhere you look, that I don't see the few models that take it easy as enough to sway me away from lumping them all together.

Hmm, now this starts to make sense...

 Sherrypie wrote:
Hmm, now this starts to make sense...

And just like that I went from hating those new designs to loving them. IF I get any of them, they will indeed have neon Nerf weapons.

Now I want Hasbro to make a licensed 40K NERF line.

It's the kindler and gentler Imperium of People!

Not sure if I’d want to actually fix them, or just take the silliness to the next level and add more rockets. I want bare heads yelling and at least 2 more rocket launchers on each model.

Good: The Saurus and the Slaan and just excellent. Amazing sculpts, exactly what everyone wanted, lovely stuff.

The Arbities are great, and the extra terrain bits from that book are lovely too.

The Primaris Lieutenant having a variety of options is good. Make all the special editions you like GW, but the standard base model needs to have a wide variety of weapon options on sprue so the datasheet isn't so stupid.

Fine: The Brutalis is alright, I don't find his guns to be nearly as offensive as some others.

The Skinks on the Raptordons are fine. The Raptordon's are bad versions of the Cold Ones. GW insists on trying to make these weird new mounts of AOS and I don't know why.

The Khorne boys for Warcry are very dynamic, and look pretty cool.

The Cerberus is good, just unexciting. Was kinda hoping for a bit more HH wise given the shoulderpads are done for every chapter now. At least start filling in the Preators for the legions who don't have them.

The DE could kind of have done with something more than a fairly generic upgrade sprue.

Ugly: The Desolation Primaris Marines are the worst marine models GW have done for literally decades. An inexplicable screw up. I've never seriously suggested this despite playing 40k since RT because I know how implausible it is, but these are so bad I honestly think GW should pull them from release and redo them. They bring down the entire line.

Can't say I think the undead for Warcry and very inspiring (though not on the same level of bad).

Gryselle’s Arenai are also probably the weakest scupts ever for Underworlds, though a bad paint job isn't helping. They feel completely redundant too.

Indeed these are the silliest models I've ever seen them make, but the nerf aesthetic makes me love them.

You could also turn the doublepods into very long binoculars

On the Underworlds, I do wonder how many warbands are just the sculptors given free reign, a way for them to develop and improve their skills with an opportunity to do just a handful in poses which might be impractical for a regular unit?

Certainly I understand them to be fairly popular projects for painters, due to low(ish, this is still GW prices) cost and greater variety.

 The Phazer wrote:

Ugly: The Desolation Primaris Marines are the worst marine models GW have done for literally decades. An inexplicable screw up. I've never seriously suggested this despite playing 40k since RT because I know how implausible it is, but these are so bad I honestly thing GW should pull them from release and redo them. They bring down the entire line.

Honest question: do you really think that these (admittedly awful) models are worse than Suppressors?

 bullyboy wrote:
Not sure if I’d want to actually fix them, or just take the silliness to the next level and add more rockets. I want bare heads yelling and at least 2 more rocket launchers on each model.

With lots of belts, leopard print and tiny feet.
If they're going to go silly 90s might as well go the whole mile and give us a good laugh.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
They look like T-Shirt cannons.

And they could'a done something way cooler.

Definitely ( though it might make them look too much like Aggressors ). Terribly unfortunate. Ah well. If they're worth getting I'll probably be cutting them up quite a bit.

 Necroagogo wrote:

 The Phazer wrote:

Ugly: The Desolation Primaris Marines are the worst marine models GW have done for literally decades. An inexplicable screw up. I've never seriously suggested this despite playing 40k since RT because I know how implausible it is, but these are so bad I honestly thing GW should pull them from release and redo them. They bring down the entire line.

Honest question: do you really think that these (admittedly awful) models are worse than Suppressors?

Way worse. I think the Marine Scout sprue is the only competition it has in bad Marine plastics since the 2nd Edition starter box set.

The Suppressors are a bit silly but at least their silhouette works.

If they are the only missile troop in your list (to avoid confusion with ML dev squads, etc) it might just be worth grabbing the 30k heavy kit with the classics MLs and a box of intercessors.

Mixed feelings regarding the Kabalite Warriors. I'm happy they get an upgrade sprue, but I expected something... more. Not really excited about Wrack-Kabalites or Wych-Kabalites, I like them being their own things better.

Well, they say their upgrade sprue is "packed", and we don't know the associated rules yet, so I'm looking forward to further reveals.

 Nevelon wrote:
If they are the only missile troop in your list (to avoid confusion with ML dev squads, etc) it might just be worth grabbing the 30k heavy kit with the classics MLs and a box of intercessors.

I'm sure a lot of people will, though the Intercessor kit doesn't have a lot of great arms for that. Sticking the rotary launcher thing on the backpack also looks slightly less stupid.

What a great reveal!

I'm oddly enthused about the Kabalite upgrade sprue even though the options it represents look decidedly pedestrian compared to most contemporary 40k sculpts but I suppose that was always likely to be the case.

(I do enjoy some shiny Eldar, no matter the flavour!)

Lizardmen have been well worth the wait, beautiful sculpts, all of them, (I'd buy you a pint/tipple of your choice down the boozer whomever you are, Mr or Mrs artist!) and are the standout series of minis on the horizon. Can't wait to see more! (Kroxigor! Kroxigor! Kroxigor! Please!)

No idea what's going on in marineland these days but there's scraping the barrel and then there's NERF guns, apparently. The lieutenant is quite reserved and nice by comparison, to be fair.

How much pot do these 3d designers smoke? All of the new releases are fantastic except for those Pseudo devastators / Desolation Primaris Marines. I find it hard to believe multiple artists thought that looked good. I guess one guy designed them and corporate gave them a thumbs up. He or She wants to stay anonymous


Lack of oversight? Not having a single sculptor? Sprue room issues when designing kits digitally? No idea.

You look at the model and immediately go ""Uhhh this looks wrong..." similar to the new Primaris jump pack design and clear flight stand.

More than half the SM players that buy them will most likely convert these models to make them look less embarrassing.

The Primaris stuff just looks like GW had extra vehicle bits and built marines around them.

Extra Repulsor bits? Put them on marines!

Extra Impulsor bits? Put them on dreads!

They *might* have looked better on Gravis bodies.

Ar-bites (HMBC is correct) look like Sisters of Battle with some conversions.

Now buy more walls because this time you can punch them out!

Good
* Arbites - look really good except for the too small riot shield (IMO)
* New Slann looks awesome!
* Bloodhunt - like all of this - cool looking terrain as well

Bad
*The Marines - ughh nearly Centurion level Gak - oh well new marines for the sake of new marines
* Skinks riding giant chickens - just no

Indifferent
* BattleTech style Dreadnought is ok I guess
* Lt is ok
* Compared to the previous Daughters of Khaine, Gryselle’s Arenai are a bit meh
* Saurus are ok

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 bullyboy wrote:
Not sure if I’d want to actually fix them, or just take the silliness to the next level and add more rockets. I want bare heads yelling and at least 2 more rocket launchers on each model.

With lots of belts, leopard print and tiny feet.
If they're going to go silly 90s might as well go the whole mile and give us a good laugh.

I've seen enough Liefeld to know they can be salvaged with enough pouches.

Those guns look like something a loota or flash git would have cobbled together.

I've been chewing the Primaries Desolators for a while now. While silly, I could almost get on board with a belt-fed, 6-barrel, rotory missile launcher. It's silly, but just silly enough to work. It's the strapping of MORE missiles to the side of the gun that gets me. Had the just went with the rotory gun, and perhaps given each guy a single shot, shoulder mounted mini HK missile, that could work too.

As they are, it's beyond OTT goofy. I don't care how good the rules are stock models will never be in my collection.

New redemptor dread - looks good, I'll probably get some of those third party leviathan style armor bits, make it look like a mega-leviathan

New primaris Lt - meh, more bits are ok, but I think this was a big missed opportunity to make a gravis lieutenant, completing the trifecta of being able to make an all gravis, all phobos or all normal armor army.

Missile launchers - lol no. These look awful

My main issue with the dread are the stubbers. They should have no place in the marine armory. What are we? Guardsmen?

I might pick him up if there is another bit we can use there.