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I would be very surprised if the enforcers were designed before these new Arbites. My guess is these were finished first, and the enforcers were the push into a new design space.

The only issue with that is that Enforcers have been out for what, 4-5 years by now? At best I'd say they were designed almost concurrently, or may have borrowed concepts from one or the other.

Da Butcha wrote:
I like these a lot, but I have to admit that I like the new Necromunda Enforcers more. However, I do think that the existence of the Enforcers affected the design of these models a LOT.

You already have a plastic squad of 'law enforcement guys' who come with mauls, and riot shields, and shotguns. You can either rebox them and sell them for Kill Team, or you have to design a different squad, who have to look different.

So you use what visual cues for Arbites you haven't already used for Enforcers, and, when given a choice, you push the look in a direction different than the enforcer aesthetic. To be honest, if you don't like the looks of them, check out the Enforcers--the equipment is fundamentally swappable, barring some of the special gear.

Well Arbites came actually first, and the new models are heavily influenced by the old Rogue Trader / 2nd Edition models: https://www.belloflostsouls.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/arbites-classic-minis.jpg

So it was more the case of finding a different aesthetic for Enforcers that left enough design space for a future modern sculpt Arbites kit, which we now got.

stahly, have you received your preview minis yet?

I'm very interested/concerned in their scale, and whether they're Guard-scale or Superman-Kasrkin scale.

Arbites look more professional to me, with the Palanites looking a bit more thuggish?

To me Enforcers have more than a bit of low-budget sci fi movie to me.

BMX helmets and football pads as armor for example.

While these Arbites are going for more of a Cops meet Knights look.

YMMV of course.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

And the shotpistol is interesting. That's gonna have some kick to it.

If it was good enough back in the day to shoot predators, it is good enough to shoot eldar!

And here's the Drukhari article.

Some interesting goodies in there, especially the note that this Kill Team in the box is supposed to specifically be the Hand of Lady Aurelia Malys.

I don't get it. Why is the Arbites Grapple Hawk on the Dark Eldar spure?

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
I don't get it. Why is the Arbites Grapple Hawk on the Dark Eldar spure?

I don't get it, why is this thread open when we have a Kill Team thread?

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
I don't get it. Why is the Arbites Grapple Hawk on the Dark Eldar spure?

I don't get it, why is this thread open when we have a Kill Team thread?

It's the law.

Do you think that GW might release a Chief Justice as a HQ choice?

Also given the size of the transfers, Abites are surely getting some kind of transport, like a Patty Rhino of sorts.

thoughts?

The idea with Kill Teams seems to be that they are first and foremost just that, and then either fit into an existing army with a unique unit entry or get filed under "Inquisition and other stuff we can't be bothered with". I could see them future proofing the transfer sheet because they might just get a Rhino as a transport in the 40k rules, even if they don't get their own design. Agents of the Imperium aren't a real faction and if Arbites are lumped in there, there is no need to only let them cruise around in their bespoke vehicles like any faction that gets real design work done with a larger, coherent model range that has its own vehicles that they're supposed to ride.

As some commemorative series model for Christmas or something or maybe as the next Warhammer+ exclusives I could see a higher ranking Arbites released at some point, but unless GW plans to expand Arbites like they did Custodes or actually put effort into Agents of the Imperium, I expect that the squad won't get more than Sisters of Silence. Maybe a Rhino, maybe a character built using the squad leader, but no dedicated extra models.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
stahly, have you received your preview minis yet?

I'm very interested/concerned in their scale, and whether they're Guard-scale or Superman-Kasrkin scale.

Can't comment / won't comment I'm afraid.

 stahly wrote:
Can't comment / won't comment I'm afraid.

Not yet in the preview window yet eh?

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
I don't get it. Why is the Arbites Grapple Hawk on the Dark Eldar spure?

I don't get it, why is this thread open when we have a Kill Team thread?

I see someone is still salty that they weren't a CC Kasrkin variant...

 Dysartes wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
I don't get it. Why is the Arbites Grapple Hawk on the Dark Eldar spure?

I don't get it, why is this thread open when we have a Kill Team thread?

I see someone is still salty that they weren't a CC Kasrkin variant...

If you want to make spurious accusations, it was Scions I had speculated we might see. And then not long after, when everyone started really jumping all over me for said speculation, GW published the Arks of Omen army building document which literally confirmed they were Arbites--and I stopped speculating as such.

Either way Scions could definitely use something to add variety to their unit roster if running pure Scions and could definitely use something to bulk out their HQ choices.

As it stands, we get yet another orphanable subfaction for Imperium that randomly has three units as build-types out of it while Drukhari get shoveled an upgrade frame with a birb.

Oh, and now apparently Arbites abandon their duties of enforcing the Lex Imperialis on their worlds and go after aliens for reasons.

Yeah, the upgrade sprue is let down. It competes with the Phobos upgrade sprue as the worst released for KT.

callidusx3 wrote:
Yeah, the upgrade sprue is let down. It competes with the Phobos upgrade sprue as the worst released for KT.

Every upgrade sprue is a letdown. Warcry manages to include two factions of new minis each box. When Into the Dark was released, I hoped Kill Team was going the same way. Unfortunately not. It feels like Warcry’s poor relation model wise.

That is true. GW must be husbanding their resources to stoke more AoS sales. An odd move given that 40K sales are significantly higher (we saw what happened to the box containing Kasrkin).

I will say that the Tau sprue, though initially disappointing, proved to be quite good in creating distinct looking operatives. It is my best favorite sprue.

I'd imagine an infinite procession of new factions would come at the cost of those factions having a weaker identity.

JWBS wrote:
I'd imagine an infinite procession of new factions would come at the cost of those factions having a weaker identity.

Not when Kill Team could be used to fill gaps in the model line. Things that already exist in the lore and even exist in codexes, but with crappy old resin or metal models. Imagine a Kill Team of Death Cult Assassins, or Crusaders, or one made up of new plastic versions of all of those old fine cast minis now missing from the Drukhari range.

 MonkeyBallistic wrote:

JWBS wrote:
I'd imagine an infinite procession of new factions would come at the cost of those factions having a weaker identity.

Not when Kill Team could be used to fill gaps in the model line. Things that already exist in the lore and even exist in codexes, but with crappy old resin or metal models. Imagine a Kill Team of Death Cult Assassins, or Crusaders, or one made up of new plastic versions of all of those old fine cast minis now missing from the Drukhari range.

An Inquisitorial Retinue would make an excellent kill team. Plenty of opportunities for variety and a built-in excuse to have an eclectic band of weirdos running around.

A Confessor leading a kill team of Crusaders, Death Cult Assassins, and Preachers. That would be interesting.

I would like to see some obscure from 40k's past to make it in to Kill team, like Sensei hero bands, Zoat Terror Squad, Harlequin Mimes, Old Slann war party, Exodites w/ Dino Pets/ mounts, Squat Cyber-Slayers or Guild Bikers (who does not love dirty space bikers), Digganob Warband, A Freebooters Crew, and/or Hrudd, Even a team made up of dangerous wild life (like Death Ferrets, Ambulls, Borewyrms, and so on) would be allot of fun.


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An Inquisitorial Retinue would make an excellent kill team. Plenty of opportunities for variety and a built-in excuse to have an eclectic band of weirdos running around.

I would be completely down for this one.

 stahly wrote:
Can't comment / won't comment I'm afraid.

You can just say there's an embargo.

 Dysartes wrote:
I see someone is still salty that they weren't a CC Kasrkin variant...

Yeah, he really is. His reply just confirmed that. The whole thing could be just as easily summarised as "The Kan doth protest too much!". I love the little fluff red herring at the end of it. That was cute.

 Paymaster Games wrote:
A Confessor leading a kill team of Crusaders, Death Cult Assassins, and Preachers. That would be interesting.

I would like to see some obscure from 40k's past to make it in to Kill team, like Sensei hero bands, Zoat Terror Squad, Harlequin Mimes, Old Slann war party, Exodites w/ Dino Pets/ mounts, Squat Cyber-Slayers or Guild Bikers (who does not love dirty space bikers), Digganob Warband, A Freebooters Crew, and/or Hrudd, Even a team made up of dangerous wild life (like Death Ferrets, Ambulls, Borewyrms, and so on) would be allot of fun.


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An Inquisitorial Retinue would make an excellent kill team. Plenty of opportunities for variety and a built-in excuse to have an eclectic band of weirdos running around.

I would be completely down for this one.

GW will miss a perfect opportunity if they don’t include Freebooterz or Genestealers on a hulk in either Kill team or AoO.

 Paymaster Games wrote:
Also given the size of the transfers, Abites are surely getting some kind of transport, like a Patty Rhino of sorts.

Plastic Repressor please!

This!

I even bought a FW Repressor back in the day just to give my metal Arbites something to ride in. A classic FW model, they could bring it back in plastic for SoB players

 Paymaster Games wrote:
A Confessor leading a kill team of Crusaders, Death Cult Assassins, and Preachers. That would be interesting.

I would like to see some obscure from 40k's past to make it in to Kill team, like Sensei hero bands, Zoat Terror Squad, Harlequin Mimes, Old Slann war party, Exodites w/ Dino Pets/ mounts, Squat Cyber-Slayers or Guild Bikers (who does not love dirty space bikers), Digganob Warband, A Freebooters Crew, and/or Hrudd, Even a team made up of dangerous wild life (like Death Ferrets, Ambulls, Borewyrms, and so on) would be allot of fun.


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An Inquisitorial Retinue would make an excellent kill team. Plenty of opportunities for variety and a built-in excuse to have an eclectic band of weirdos running around.

I would be completely down for this one.

I think their current approach is to mix something like 'safe' Teams i.e. teams that conform to some major player's army list entries with some of the more out-there options to ensure steady sales, and i guess so far that model is working well. I hope they get slightly more adventurous and experimental in the next season, and think that all your examples would be ace to see on the tabletop again and would work well. Killteam offers so much design space that can't really be tapped in the context of WH40k mass battles, and i'm all here for it

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 stahly wrote:
Can't comment / won't comment I'm afraid.

You can just say there's an embargo.

 Dysartes wrote:
I see someone is still salty that they weren't a CC Kasrkin variant...

Yeah, he really is. His reply just confirmed that. The whole thing could be just as easily summarised as "The Kan doth protest too much!". I love the little fluff red herring at the end of it. That was cute.

There might be a certain coincidence why a lot of posts and videos about new releases go online on Saturday 10am UK time (when the preorders on the UK webstore go live)