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It is interesting that you say 20% increase in the USA. When i was searching the Thousand Sons combat patrol on my IPhone it shows the GW workshop as an option with the Combat patrol showing $180 USD. once you click the link though it shows the $150 USD. and it just so happens that is exactly 20 percent increase. I think they already coded it into their web page but probably won't take effect until March. $180 combat patrol is insane!!!!
angel of death 007 wrote: It is interesting that you say 20% increase in the USA. When i was searching the Thousand Sons combat patrol on my IPhone it shows the GW workshop as an option with the Combat patrol showing $180 USD. once you click the link though it shows the $150 USD. and it just so happens that is exactly 20 percent increase. I think they already coded it into their web page but probably won't take effect until March. $180 combat patrol is insane!!!!
Would it be possible to post a screen shot of the $180 price?
Overread wrote: Yeah this doesn't feel like a slick PR stunt. Those often come with big apology messages and far far more outcry.
This feels like a "oh darn Dave put a 20 instead of a 6 on the final version of the spreadsheet and didn't doublecheck before he hit "send to all" on the email list.
Can such things happen - sure they can. It's also far more believable than GW trying a price rise stunt when they've no reason too. They do a price rise around this time of year most years, its normal practice and every year there's an uproar of "this is the end times" and then, GW goes on to have a decently to more profitable year.
There's just no reason to mess with this kind of PR stunt and its not the kind of PR that we generally see from GW. They do "leaks" of their own sure along with leaks that aren't of their own making; but by and large their marketing is more up front because its 7 days a week every week. I don't think they can really afford shock-value-pr-stunts when they are more reliant on daily pr
I'm with you on the mistake angle, for the most part. If this were really a PR stunt, the Reps would have been told this was a stunt and to not panic as much as my Local tells me they are. Though having seen both documents, I think it's not a "bob pressed 20 instead of 6" and more "bob sent Document B instead of Document A". Both are legit documents, but the 20% isn't the one intended to be sent out today. What the old document is for is a mystery to me though.
See, while I do think the mistake theory is credible, that whole document A Vs document B thing is the bit that doesn't figure. It's a long time since I worked in an office, but surely you just save the iterations as they happen, you're not creating fresh documents each time? If it's a backup then surely it's saved somewhere else? They're always building a better idiot, so no amount of incompetence should be dismissed, but it's the bit I have trouble with.
Another theory that occurs is that, far from public outcry which would be water off a duck's back, perhaps pushback came from a few senior figures in the distribution network? It's an aspect of the business that GW still leans on in the US, and a well placed phone call from someone/multiple someones who authorises singificant spend with your company every year suggesting this might be too much will carry far more weight in forcing a rethink.
Ultimately GW's gonna GW, but thats the sort of behind the scenes way things get changed more often than not.
We find comfort among those who agree with us - growth among those who don't. - Frank Howard Clark
The wise man doubts often, and changes his mind; the fool is obstinate, and doubts not; he knows all things but his own ignorance.
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Overread wrote: Yeah this doesn't feel like a slick PR stunt. Those often come with big apology messages and far far more outcry.
This feels like a "oh darn Dave put a 20 instead of a 6 on the final version of the spreadsheet and didn't doublecheck before he hit "send to all" on the email list.
Can such things happen - sure they can. It's also far more believable than GW trying a price rise stunt when they've no reason too. They do a price rise around this time of year most years, its normal practice and every year there's an uproar of "this is the end times" and then, GW goes on to have a decently to more profitable year.
There's just no reason to mess with this kind of PR stunt and its not the kind of PR that we generally see from GW. They do "leaks" of their own sure along with leaks that aren't of their own making; but by and large their marketing is more up front because its 7 days a week every week. I don't think they can really afford shock-value-pr-stunts when they are more reliant on daily pr
I'm with you on the mistake angle, for the most part. If this were really a PR stunt, the Reps would have been told this was a stunt and to not panic as much as my Local tells me they are. Though having seen both documents, I think it's not a "bob pressed 20 instead of 6" and more "bob sent Document B instead of Document A". Both are legit documents, but the 20% isn't the one intended to be sent out today. What the old document is for is a mystery to me though.
After spot checking a few prices I'm pretty sure the mistake was them putting current Canadian retail prices into the new price column. Their Combat Patrols are $180 CAD, and several other items match exactly too. It also explains why items exempt from the increase changed.
angel of death 007 wrote: It is interesting that you say 20% increase in the USA. When i was searching the Thousand Sons combat patrol on my IPhone it shows the GW workshop as an option with the Combat patrol showing $180 USD. once you click the link though it shows the $150 USD. and it just so happens that is exactly 20 percent increase. I think they already coded it into their web page but probably won't take effect until March. $180 combat patrol is insane!!!!
Would it be possible to post a screen shot of the $180 price?
How do I post an image? I just looked it up and it did the same for me.
‘What Lorgar’s fanatics have not seen is that these gods are nothing compared to the power and the majesty of the Machine-God. Already, members of our growing cult are using the grace of the Omnissiah – the true Omnissiah, not Terra’s false prophet – to harness the might of the warp. Geller fields, warp missiles, void shields, all these things you are familiar with. But their underlying principles can be turned to so much more. Through novel exploitations of these technologies we will gain mastery first over the energies of the empyrean, then over the lesser entities, until finally the very gods themselves will bend the knee and recognise the supremacy of the Machine-God"
- Heretek Ardim Protos in Titandeath by Guy Haley
angel of death 007 wrote: It is interesting that you say 20% increase in the USA. When i was searching the Thousand Sons combat patrol on my IPhone it shows the GW workshop as an option with the Combat patrol showing $180 USD. once you click the link though it shows the $150 USD. and it just so happens that is exactly 20 percent increase. I think they already coded it into their web page but probably won't take effect until March. $180 combat patrol is insane!!!!
Would it be possible to post a screen shot of the $180 price?
Sorry i couldn't figure out how to make it appear on here so i just uploaded it to my imgur. Once I click the GW website though it goes to the combat patrol at $150 pricing. The 20 percent price rise is unreal for the USA and honestly I think USA should boycott GW for the next quarter.
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Same result as above, first link off google search.
Combat Patrol: Thousand Sons - Games Workshop
https://www.games-workshop.com › en-US › combat-p...
thousand sons combat patrol from www.games-workshop.com
A selection of Thousand Sons units ideal for starting or expanding an army; A Combat Patrol-sized force in a box; Contains 26 multipart plastic miniatures.
$180.00
However, I'm getting prices from many different currencies from the other combat patrols, so this seems to be more a google error showing the Canadian price (above) with the US site.
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Automatically Appended Next Post: Mine is a screenshot on PC so you can see that it says en-us in the URL.
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‘What Lorgar’s fanatics have not seen is that these gods are nothing compared to the power and the majesty of the Machine-God. Already, members of our growing cult are using the grace of the Omnissiah – the true Omnissiah, not Terra’s false prophet – to harness the might of the warp. Geller fields, warp missiles, void shields, all these things you are familiar with. But their underlying principles can be turned to so much more. Through novel exploitations of these technologies we will gain mastery first over the energies of the empyrean, then over the lesser entities, until finally the very gods themselves will bend the knee and recognise the supremacy of the Machine-God"
- Heretek Ardim Protos in Titandeath by Guy Haley
Azreal13 wrote: See, while I do think the mistake theory is credible, that whole document A Vs document B thing is the bit that doesn't figure. It's a long time since I worked in an office, but surely you just save the iterations as they happen, you're not creating fresh documents each time? If it's a backup then surely it's saved somewhere else? They're always building a better idiot, so no amount of incompetence should be dismissed, but it's the bit I have trouble with.
Assuming you're working on a single document. If you're working on prices_Q1_2023.xlsx and prices_Q4_2023.xlsx and different versions for each country, different versions for each distribution channel, different versions because you haven't decided which one to submit to your boss at next week's meeting, etc, it would be pretty easy to accidentally send out the wrong file. Or to copy/paste data into the wrong file, applying 2024's price increase to the 2023 sheet for example. And it's even easier for that sort of thing to happen if GW has a single multi-tabbed book for internal use and someone copy/pastes the appropriate price list into a separate document to send out to each distribution channel.
Another theory that occurs is that, far from public outcry which would be water off a duck's back, perhaps pushback came from a few senior figures in the distribution network? It's an aspect of the business that GW still leans on in the US, and a well placed phone call from someone/multiple someones who authorises singificant spend with your company every year suggesting this might be too much will carry far more weight in forcing a rethink.
This is certainly more plausible than the PR stunt theory but still pretty hard to believe. It requires that GW has such a major customer, that they didn't bother to reach out to this super-important customer who can get prices changed with a single call before sending out the price list to the entire retail network, and this whole sequence with the major customer doing their own market analysis andGW putting together their response to it happening in a very short amount of time. The absurdly short time frame for this all to happen still makes it far less plausible than the simple explanation: that GW made a mistake and corrected it as soon as it was noticed.
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Overread wrote: Yeah this doesn't feel like a slick PR stunt. Those often come with big apology messages and far far more outcry.
This feels like a "oh darn Dave put a 20 instead of a 6 on the final version of the spreadsheet and didn't doublecheck before he hit "send to all" on the email list.
Can such things happen - sure they can. It's also far more believable than GW trying a price rise stunt when they've no reason too. They do a price rise around this time of year most years, its normal practice and every year there's an uproar of "this is the end times" and then, GW goes on to have a decently to more profitable year.
There's just no reason to mess with this kind of PR stunt and its not the kind of PR that we generally see from GW. They do "leaks" of their own sure along with leaks that aren't of their own making; but by and large their marketing is more up front because its 7 days a week every week. I don't think they can really afford shock-value-pr-stunts when they are more reliant on daily pr
I'm with you on the mistake angle, for the most part. If this were really a PR stunt, the Reps would have been told this was a stunt and to not panic as much as my Local tells me they are. Though having seen both documents, I think it's not a "bob pressed 20 instead of 6" and more "bob sent Document B instead of Document A". Both are legit documents, but the 20% isn't the one intended to be sent out today. What the old document is for is a mystery to me though.
See, while I do think the mistake theory is credible, that whole document A Vs document B thing is the bit that doesn't figure. It's a long time since I worked in an office, but surely you just save the iterations as they happen, you're not creating fresh documents each time? If it's a backup then surely it's saved somewhere else? They're always building a better idiot, so no amount of incompetence should be dismissed, but it's the bit I have trouble with.
Another theory that occurs is that, far from public outcry which would be water off a duck's back, perhaps pushback came from a few senior figures in the distribution network? It's an aspect of the business that GW still leans on in the US, and a well placed phone call from someone/multiple someones who authorises singificant spend with your company every year suggesting this might be too much will carry far more weight in forcing a rethink.
Ultimately GW's gonna GW, but thats the sort of behind the scenes way things get changed more often than not.
The main thing that put me on the A vs. B theory is the fact that both documents (that i got from my Local) have completely different names, as well as different formatting indicating they're not the same file just updated. The old Document has the new Retailer/MSRP prices in green, and a note at the top about that the MSRP is just that, suggested price and retailers don't have to use them, while the 6% document has neither of those. The date on the 20% one being Feb 23rd as opposed to March 6th on the 6% file as well. Especially since the Feb 23rd document has the old prices as the exact same as the current ones.
As for the distribution idea, I do like that that theory as well, if only because It maybe, just maybe, may cause GW to rethink this whole regional price thing.
Overread wrote: Yeah this doesn't feel like a slick PR stunt. Those often come with big apology messages and far far more outcry.
This feels like a "oh darn Dave put a 20 instead of a 6 on the final version of the spreadsheet and didn't doublecheck before he hit "send to all" on the email list.
Can such things happen - sure they can. It's also far more believable than GW trying a price rise stunt when they've no reason too. They do a price rise around this time of year most years, its normal practice and every year there's an uproar of "this is the end times" and then, GW goes on to have a decently to more profitable year.
There's just no reason to mess with this kind of PR stunt and its not the kind of PR that we generally see from GW. They do "leaks" of their own sure along with leaks that aren't of their own making; but by and large their marketing is more up front because its 7 days a week every week. I don't think they can really afford shock-value-pr-stunts when they are more reliant on daily pr
I'm with you on the mistake angle, for the most part. If this were really a PR stunt, the Reps would have been told this was a stunt and to not panic as much as my Local tells me they are. Though having seen both documents, I think it's not a "bob pressed 20 instead of 6" and more "bob sent Document B instead of Document A". Both are legit documents, but the 20% isn't the one intended to be sent out today. What the old document is for is a mystery to me though.
After spot checking a few prices I'm pretty sure the mistake was them putting current Canadian retail prices into the new price column. Their Combat Patrols are $180 CAD, and several other items match exactly too. It also explains why items exempt from the increase changed.
That seems like a likely enough source for that error, as it would effectively render the change down to an off-by-one error where the wrong column got copied&pasted. It also makes sense that this mistake would happen on the 'desk' of someone responsible for north america.
xttz wrote: After spot checking a few prices I'm pretty sure the mistake was them putting current Canadian retail prices into the new price column. Their Combat Patrols are $180 CAD, and several other items match exactly too. It also explains why items exempt from the increase changed.
And it makes sense that the mistake could propagate to whatever hidden code on the online store google is reading from. Someone probably has a master sheet of prices that goes into both the retail price sheets and the website updates, and whatever IT guy does the website updates isn't going to spot the difference between $150 and $180 for a product that could plausibly be either.
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Is there any confirmation on whether Australia/NZ are copping the price rises too? Seeing some comments saying that the article was edited overnight to say not, and then subsequently edited to remove that line
Overread wrote: Yeah this doesn't feel like a slick PR stunt. Those often come with big apology messages and far far more outcry.
This feels like a "oh darn Dave put a 20 instead of a 6 on the final version of the spreadsheet and didn't doublecheck before he hit "send to all" on the email list.
Can such things happen - sure they can. It's also far more believable than GW trying a price rise stunt when they've no reason too. They do a price rise around this time of year most years, its normal practice and every year there's an uproar of "this is the end times" and then, GW goes on to have a decently to more profitable year.
There's just no reason to mess with this kind of PR stunt and its not the kind of PR that we generally see from GW. They do "leaks" of their own sure along with leaks that aren't of their own making; but by and large their marketing is more up front because its 7 days a week every week. I don't think they can really afford shock-value-pr-stunts when they are more reliant on daily pr
I'm with you on the mistake angle, for the most part. If this were really a PR stunt, the Reps would have been told this was a stunt and to not panic as much as my Local tells me they are. Though having seen both documents, I think it's not a "bob pressed 20 instead of 6" and more "bob sent Document B instead of Document A". Both are legit documents, but the 20% isn't the one intended to be sent out today. What the old document is for is a mystery to me though.
See, while I do think the mistake theory is credible, that whole document A Vs document B thing is the bit that doesn't figure. It's a long time since I worked in an office, but surely you just save the iterations as they happen, you're not creating fresh documents each time? If it's a backup then surely it's saved somewhere else? They're always building a better idiot, so no amount of incompetence should be dismissed, but it's the bit I have trouble with.
Another theory that occurs is that, far from public outcry which would be water off a duck's back, perhaps pushback came from a few senior figures in the distribution network? It's an aspect of the business that GW still leans on in the US, and a well placed phone call from someone/multiple someones who authorises singificant spend with your company every year suggesting this might be too much will carry far more weight in forcing a rethink.
Ultimately GW's gonna GW, but thats the sort of behind the scenes way things get changed more often than not.
If they’re using a programme like SharePoint or Office365 it creates new versions every time you save. It’s really easy to go in and load a previous version. Multinationals are not just having people save major business spreadsheets on their desktop.
Or alternatively someone fat-fingered a cell that others multiply by and they just corrected it once they realised they’d sent a duff version out..
Incompetence is much more likely than malice here.
A CAD/USD swap would also not immediately look out of place as it would still be in the right general range, unlike a swap with e.g. Yen, depending on the specific setup of the spreadsheet/database would also be in or look like being in the right unit to the human eye, and would have a good chance at only being caught when someone takes a closer look on specific items instead of the sheet as a whole. After a couple of hours producing stuff like that, it's easy to imagine someone losing concetration and half-assing the job a bit, no longer double-checking every column and thus overlooking the fatal copy&paste mistake - automated checks would perhaps not catch this one as the units and ranges still look correct.
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Yep, with the provision of new information, the balance of probability certainly seems to lean that way.
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Aecus Decimus wrote: I'll grant that you have some professional experience at least, but how do you explain the fact that GW has done similar price increases in the past and continued to increase their annual profit? Why should we expect this particular price increase to have different results?
They'll keep doing it until there are consequences. What I'd be curious about, and I'm sure someone who pays attention to their quarterly reporting could probably answer this, is how much their volume has increased over the last 10 years. How much have they grown the business versus increased the profit from the same number of sales.
When something like the zone mortalis column and walls set, which is a pretty fringe 40k product, increases its price by 40+% in two years, I'd love to know who's still buying it in the volume you need to make a table.
Their yearly revenue made really big jumps for a couple of years - it more than doubled between 2014 and 2019, and rose another 60% since then, as you can see here:
Now, revenue is obviously not the same as profits, and there are probably some currency effects in there i.e. the devaluation of the GBP, but that is probably of lesser concern for them and it's very hard to argue with what will probably amount to quadrupling revenues in the 10-year period between 2014 and 2024.
OP you quoted asked about sales volume, not overall revenue.
Overread wrote: Actually I'd say Magic the Gathering is right now the Apple of the market.
£1000 for a handful of cards that can't even be used in regular MTG games?
£100s for collector sets that are time limited?
Graph needed to work out which booster set you need for what game format?
MTG are WAY more Apple than GW right now in the gaming scene
I wouldn't consider Magic to be a competitor to GW as it's a completely different medium to wargaming.
I see your point, but GW is a different medium to wargaming. They are a miniatures company that make rules to inflate sales of their miniatures.
Wargames aren't exclusively about miniatures, I have many that use cardboard tokens, or wooden blocks.
Wargames tend to be about strategy, where as miniature games (due to the scale limitations) tend to be about tactics. 40k for example is fought on a small area, so the focus is on the quality and ability if those fighting. Where as say Twilight Struggle is more about the position on a global map.
Edit.
Looking at some of the prices that are coming out is eye watering. Quite hard to drum up interest in GW games if the prices make the entry point even more difficult.
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The objective of the game is to win. The point of the game is to have fun. The two should never be confused.
I think the ultimate question that has to be asked is at what price point would you stop buying GW all together?
I know when single models went about the $100 range, I would not buy those models.
It think combat patrols at $180 would do me in as well, as any saved value would be lost.
It is also hard to put value in models that don't come with the rules and you need to spend several 100 dollars in supplements just to play a game.
This is why I think games like Legion, MCP, FWW, soon to be shatterpoint, are all going to be some heavy competition for GW. The rules are free or next to it. Most units/ models come with the rules to play them in the box, and you don't need a library to play one game.
Ten human sized models for $60 is my cutoff. I was hesitant to buy 60 for $60.
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angel of death 007 wrote: I think the ultimate question that has to be asked is at what price point would you stop buying GW all together?
Probably somewhere around twice what they are now, adjusted for inflation. At that point I'd complete any existing projects but it would be hard to justify starting anything new when GW is 2-3x the price of the competition.
This is why I think games like Legion, MCP, FWW, soon to be shatterpoint, are all going to be some heavy competition for GW. The rules are free or next to it. Most units/ models come with the rules to play them in the box, and you don't need a library to play one game.
I don't think so. Shatterpoint and MCP are very different games and not even in the same genre as 40k, you can't really use one as a substitute for the other. Legion seemed like it might become a strong competitor, being a game at the same scale with the Star Wars license to drive interest, but for whatever reason it seems to have failed. Maybe something about the mechanics drives people away? I don't get it, but at this point in the game's life it would be surprising to see it make a complete rebound and take on GW, especially with quality design space rapidly running out.
Jihadin wrote: I stopped playing over a year ago. So many mini's still need to be painted. Broke out all my mini's for Battletech now......way cheaper.
It’s funny how easy battletech makes it, I have enough mechs to introduce players and play full games with them. And I still feel I haven’t spent too much on it.
I think all my GW hobby money will end up going there for now, easy easy.
No GW game is worth the prices.
Oh I have spent too much on Battletech over the years, and I will probably spend a lot more xD, but I could play planetary assaults 1:1 if I chose to, at this point ^^
That's not very impressive due to the old FASAnomics Many planets have to make do with a lance of Urbies after all.
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angel of death 007 wrote: I think the ultimate question that has to be asked is at what price point would you stop buying GW all together?
Probably somewhere around twice what they are now, adjusted for inflation. At that point I'd complete any existing projects but it would be hard to justify starting anything new when GW is 2-3x the price of the competition.
This is why I think games like Legion, MCP, FWW, soon to be shatterpoint, are all going to be some heavy competition for GW. The rules are free or next to it. Most units/ models come with the rules to play them in the box, and you don't need a library to play one game.
I don't think so. Shatterpoint and MCP are very different games and not even in the same genre as 40k, you can't really use one as a substitute for the other. Legion seemed like it might become a strong competitor, being a game at the same scale with the Star Wars license to drive interest, but for whatever reason it seems to have failed. Maybe something about the mechanics drives people away? I don't get it, but at this point in the game's life it would be surprising to see it make a complete rebound and take on GW, especially with quality design space rapidly running out.
I honestly think if the USA boycotted for like one quarter, GW would be forced to see the light and lower prices. Legion is a solid game, only thing that holds it up really is that it is based around Starwars. There are those who love and those who hate star wars. Legion's game play is pretty solid, units come with all upgrades they can take, cards they need, and data needed to play them from the box. Rules are free and online and when they are FAQ'd they get instantly updated. If it wasn't for the starwars haters out there, i think it could easily grow in momentum, esp if GW raises its price by 20% in the USA.
Shatterpoint, MCP, and FWW, are not on point with 40k, but they are skirmished base and give Necromunda and Kill Team a solid run for their money, especially with the starting boxes cheaper then the competition. I honestly think that Atomic Mass Games will give GW a run for their money, and once GW prices more and more gamers out of their market, they will look toward more affordable game systems that still offer a lot of fun.
Pretty sure the stock issues, being sold to a different company, and uncertainty of the game's future have way more to do with people not getting into Legion than "Star Wars haters". And that's before accounting for how hard it is to get an established community into a new game.
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Platuan4th wrote: Pretty sure the stock issues, being sold to a different company, and uncertainty of the game's future have way more to do with people not getting into Legion than "Star Wars haters". And that's before accounting for how hard it is to get an established community into a new game.
I don't think them going to AMG is really going to hurt them, since AMG does a lot of their stuff in plastic much like GW, but with little to no mold lines, so if anything I think that is more of an improvement. The local community isn't growing for GW either. At my LGS, AoS is non existent, and only 40k is still active though loosing numbers with each new book needed just to play the game. As far as stock issues go, same could be said about Horus Heresy, as that is definately what tanked that game from getting off the ground. A shame really because it plays better then 40k and the starter box was lovely even if it should have been Mk3 armor.
GW is betting heavy on 40k to carry the gavel through the next year, but to be honest many 40k players despise this edition and all the expansions and are hoping for a complete or near complete revamp of the rules.
40k tenth ed, will either make or break it for GW, but if they go with price increases and don't fix the gaming mechanism, I could see people just as easily starting a new game as it is just as cheap as starting a new edition considering a $60 rule book and a $50 codex at minimum.
angel of death 007 wrote: I don't think them going to AMG is really going to hurt them, since AMG does a lot of their stuff in plastic much like GW, but with little to no mold lines, so if anything I think that is more of an improvement.
In product quality maybe, but in rules? It's a major concern. AMG didn't want the Star Wars games and it shows in how they've completely botched the handling of X-Wing, causing a major drop in activity and a community split by polarizing rule changes. I don't follow Legion at all but I wouldn't be surprised if a similar thing is happening there, and it's certainly cause for caution in investing in the game. Even great miniatures lose their appeal for a lot of people if they don't have a game to use them in.
Of course this speculation doesn't change the original point I was making. It's interesting to wonder why Legion failed to be the 40k killer I expected it to be but the reality is that doesn't seem to be anywhere near a threat to GW at the moment and its long-term prospects are in serious doubt.
The local community isn't growing for GW either.
However, the overall financial picture for GW is and that's what matters.
40k tenth ed, will either make or break it for GW, but if they go with price increases and don't fix the gaming mechanism, I could see people just as easily starting a new game as it is just as cheap as starting a new edition considering a $60 rule book and a $50 codex at minimum.
What game are they going to start? GW owns the army-scale scifi market and nothing else is even close.
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angel of death 007 wrote: I honestly think if the USA boycotted for like one quarter, GW would be forced to see the light and lower prices.
Sure. And if I won the lottery I could buy GW and have them make me all the models I want. Neither of these things is going to happen.
Shatterpoint, MCP, and FWW, are not on point with 40k, but they are skirmished base and give Necromunda and Kill Team a solid run for their money, especially with the starting boxes cheaper then the competition.
Possibly, but don't forget a huge part of the appeal of Kill Team: that it uses the same models as your 40k army, making it easy to get into for existing 40k players and a good starting point for new 40k players. And Necromunda lives by its narrative play and immense customization options for "your dudes", something that doesn't exist with AMG's games. I'm sure there are some customers that just want to play any random miniatures game and will buy whichever one is cheapest but for people who have a more specific idea of what they want out of a game the AMG games aren't really competing with GW.
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Many planets have to make do with a lance of Urbies after all.
