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 NAVARRO wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

 NAVARRO wrote:
Not going to bother dissecting in detail how disappointing this kit is.
I'm afraid to confirm that my concerns with the images on the video would translate into something just like what was revealed today.

Seen much better fan conversions on this type of Nid which is revealing on how poor this official sculpt turned out to be. It's not a scary menacing creature at all, it's a bubble head, messy, fat creature.

2nd kit revealed and its an easy pass.

Well if the same body mass as an intercessor for a 8ft tall alien crustacen is "fat" I think that's a you problem

If you bother reading the comments here and on the 40k new ed thread you would see its a several people problem...

I mean, you think Tyranids should be completely redesigned to look like <data missing> because you don't think they look scary or threatening or whatever.... it's 100% a you problem. And thank god nobody at GW shares your bad taste, because you could probably count on one hand the number of Tyranid players worldwide who think their entire army needs to be deleted and redone as centipede-men or tentacled blob pods or whatever inane thing it is you want.

I guess that I'm glad I'm not currently a Tyranid player, because these look really great to me.

Almost did 3rd ed Tyranid army last year using newer plastics, glad i waited as these look perfect for 3rd ed Lictors to me, certainly better than the metal/resin that've been around for nearly 20 years and better than the conversions that use plastic Warriors as the base model. Fingers crossed for plastic Biovores

Dudeface wrote:
Missed that, my bad, let the crustacean fat shame club continue.

Oh lawd they comin'!

 Altruizine wrote:

 NAVARRO wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

 NAVARRO wrote:
Not going to bother dissecting in detail how disappointing this kit is.
I'm afraid to confirm that my concerns with the images on the video would translate into something just like what was revealed today.

Seen much better fan conversions on this type of Nid which is revealing on how poor this official sculpt turned out to be. It's not a scary menacing creature at all, it's a bubble head, messy, fat creature.

2nd kit revealed and its an easy pass.

Well if the same body mass as an intercessor for a 8ft tall alien crustacen is "fat" I think that's a you problem

If you bother reading the comments here and on the 40k new ed thread you would see its a several people problem...

I mean, you think Tyranids should be completely redesigned to look like <data missing> because you don't think they look scary or threatening or whatever.... it's 100% a you problem. And thank god nobody at GW shares your bad taste, because you could probably count on one hand the number of Tyranid players worldwide who think their entire army needs to be deleted and redone as centipede-men or tentacled blob pods or whatever inane thing it is you want.

If you are so sure of your impeccable taste you should not feel threatened by other peoples tastes...
Told you several times, go back trolling your typical users no time for your kind.

 NAVARRO wrote:

If you are so sure of your impeccable taste you should not feel threatened by other peoples tastes...
Told you several times, go back trolling your typical users no time for your kind.

I'm curious if this posting profile fits into your definition of troll: guy who comes into every Tyranid thread, says Tyranids should be scrapped and reworked from the ground up (but doesn't play Tyranids)

I am aware of Von Neumann probes being a thing in sci-fi but what the hell is the deal with Von Ryan here?

 Strg Alt wrote:
I am aware of Von Neumann probes being a thing in sci-fi but what the hell is the deal with Von Ryan here?

It is some sort of inside joke, the von Ryan's Leaper appeared on a CCG card in the early 2000s, with very bad art that nobody could quite make out what it was supposed to represent, and since then it was mentioned in several nid codexes as a creature of ambiguous progeny that the Imperials can't really place among the tyranid strains

 Strg Alt wrote:
I am aware of Von Neumann probes being a thing in sci-fi but what the hell is the deal with Von Ryan here?

Possibly named for the world they were first encountered on - like the Ymgarl Genestealers.

beast_gts wrote:

 Strg Alt wrote:
I am aware of Von Neumann probes being a thing in sci-fi but what the hell is the deal with Von Ryan here?

Possibly named for the world they were first encountered on - like the Ymgarl Genestealers.

Or the Tyranids themselves (planet Tyran)

Funnily enough, some people here mentioned that the Leapers reminded them of the 2nd edition Hormagaunts, and the 3rd edition Codex actually have the Von Ryan's in the Gaunts genus branch, derived from the Hormagaunts! So good call on that I guess!

Y'know, I always assumed a Von Ryan's Leaper was some kind of indigenous organism that the chart was speculating to be related to Tyranids- the Catachan Devil is also on the same chart (derived from Raveners IIRC) with the same question mark appellation.

WAIT!

Does this mean we might get a Catachan Devil model? Or at least a modern evolution of what was once the feral creature

 Overread wrote:
WAIT!

Does this mean we might get a Catachan Devil model? Or at least a modern evolution of what was once the feral creature

Probably not, Catachan Devils and some other beings like Fenrisian Kraken being relics of much, much older tyranid invasions is a thing that has been speculated or hinted at for quite some time, a decade at least.

Yeah on those charts and other fluff blurbs, it's never confirmed for either the Leapers or the Catachan Devils, stating it could be indigenous or long-lost organism that were cut-off from their hive and acted as "normal" beast.

Looks like GW decided to expand a bit and confirmed at least the Leapers were indeed Tyranid creatures all along.

I like how they've gone for a weirder vibe with these guys, smaller lictors in packs is a nice idea- broadens out the vanguard forces. The models look a bit odd forth front and I'm not wild about that scheme, but the side shots are more convincing.
Nice use of the old reference from the 3rd ed book too.
Not enough yet to tempt me away from the Votann but I'm looking forward to seeing more of the Nid evolution.

 Overread wrote:
WAIT!

Does this mean we might get a Catachan Devil model? Or at least a modern evolution of what was once the feral creature

That would great to see! If there is a good use for big kits in plastic then Catachan devil would be up there on top of the list.

 NAVARRO wrote:

 Overread wrote:
WAIT!

Does this mean we might get a Catachan Devil model? Or at least a modern evolution of what was once the feral creature

That would great to see! If there is a good use for big kits in plastic then Catachan devil would be up there on top of the list.

I think a Catachan devil will sooner or later pop-up in a side or box games, either Necromunda or a BSF-/Quest-like, dunno if it would fit into the context of hive fleet tyranids. A reimagined version, or something inspired by it maybe, but not the classic Devil.

Tsagualsa wrote:

 NAVARRO wrote:

 Overread wrote:
WAIT!

Does this mean we might get a Catachan Devil model? Or at least a modern evolution of what was once the feral creature

That would great to see! If there is a good use for big kits in plastic then Catachan devil would be up there on top of the list.

I think a Catachan devil will sooner or later pop-up in a side or box games, either Necromunda or a BSF-/Quest-like, dunno if it would fit into the context of hive fleet tyranids. A reimagined version, or something inspired by it maybe, but not the classic Devil.

You're probably right. Something like the Zoat ( which is one of those kits I hugely regret not buying at the time)... But how cool would it be if they added it to the Nid dex and gave it a missing link fluff update and a centrepiece kit. That would make me throw money at them, no questions asked.

 NAVARRO wrote:

 Altruizine wrote:

 NAVARRO wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

 NAVARRO wrote:
Not going to bother dissecting in detail how disappointing this kit is.
I'm afraid to confirm that my concerns with the images on the video would translate into something just like what was revealed today.

Seen much better fan conversions on this type of Nid which is revealing on how poor this official sculpt turned out to be. It's not a scary menacing creature at all, it's a bubble head, messy, fat creature.

2nd kit revealed and its an easy pass.

Well if the same body mass as an intercessor for a 8ft tall alien crustacen is "fat" I think that's a you problem

If you bother reading the comments here and on the 40k new ed thread you would see its a several people problem...

I mean, you think Tyranids should be completely redesigned to look like <data missing> because you don't think they look scary or threatening or whatever.... it's 100% a you problem. And thank god nobody at GW shares your bad taste, because you could probably count on one hand the number of Tyranid players worldwide who think their entire army needs to be deleted and redone as centipede-men or tentacled blob pods or whatever inane thing it is you want.

If you are so sure of your impeccable taste you should not feel threatened by other peoples tastes...
Told you several times, go back trolling your typical users no time for your kind.

I saw those fan conversions, they were gak. Looked like a my little pony villain.

As always, I'm going to reserve judgement until I see the model in STEREOVISION(TM). But they look solid in the pics.

And while it's a new kit, conceptually it feels like the return of leaping Warriors from many editions ago. Kinda like how winged Warriors became Shrikes...which may be getting a proper kit...?

Don't think they are fat - but don't love teeth/mandibles/tentacles. It looks busy because it is.

Seeing them in the flesh will help.

I’m liking these the more I look at them.

The mouth actually follows many insects mouths.

The triple eyes bug me.

Pun not intended.

Too bad the mandibles arent on the sides like the Trygon/Mawloc

Regarding the ‘Von Ryan’ name, could it perhaps be a reference to this poster from the film ‘Von Ryan’s Express’? Look at Sinatra’s leaping pose…

Not quite sure I follow the complaints about the mouth. Analogous to plenty of insect mouths, to evolve a method of stabbing into something armoured with clawed mandibles and then using the tentacles to slorp up the precious soft bits within is pretty much bug 101.


Nice to see an old name from the early editions coming to plastic life.

 Olthannon wrote:
Not quite sure I follow the complaints about the mouth. Analogous to plenty of insect mouths, to evolve a method of stabbing into something armoured with clawed mandibles and then using the tentacles to slorp up the precious soft bits within is pretty much bug 101.


Nice to see an old name from the early editions coming to plastic life.

IMHO the mouth area just looks too busy, and the mouthparts a little bit too massive - if they were a bit smaller it would look better imho, but their size may be necessary due to the limitations of the casting process and medium. Also, i think the paintjob displayed does the whole thing no favors, there's just too much going on in the head area in total, with the orange-ish tentacles, the yellow facetted eyes and the high-contrast tips of the mandible-things. The whole head area and its surroundings just look a bit confused on the first glance, you need a second to make sense of it. I'd wager it looks much better in alternate schemes of even by just toning down the colours on the eyes and tentacles a bit.

Tsagualsa wrote:

 Olthannon wrote:
Not quite sure I follow the complaints about the mouth. Analogous to plenty of insect mouths, to evolve a method of stabbing into something armoured with clawed mandibles and then using the tentacles to slorp up the precious soft bits within is pretty much bug 101.


Nice to see an old name from the early editions coming to plastic life.

IMHO the mouth area just looks too busy, and the mouthparts a little bit too massive - if they were a bit smaller it would look better imho, but their size may be necessary due to the limitations of the casting process and medium. Also, i think the paintjob displayed does the whole thing no favors, there's just too much going on in the head area in total, with the orange-ish tentacles, the yellow facetted eyes and the high-contrast tips of the mandible-things. The whole head area and its surroundings just look a bit confused on the first glance, you need a second to make sense of it. I'd wager it looks much better in alternate schemes of even by just toning down the colours on the eyes and tentacles a bit.

Now that I'd certainly agree with, but I find that is true of a lot of models. Often it's the angle of the photograph and the paintjob which makes me dislike a model that's previewed, but seeing it in the plastic flesh is a lot better. I think a darker paint job will suit them very well.

 Olthannon wrote:

Tsagualsa wrote:

 Olthannon wrote:
Not quite sure I follow the complaints about the mouth. Analogous to plenty of insect mouths, to evolve a method of stabbing into something armoured with clawed mandibles and then using the tentacles to slorp up the precious soft bits within is pretty much bug 101.


Nice to see an old name from the early editions coming to plastic life.

IMHO the mouth area just looks too busy, and the mouthparts a little bit too massive - if they were a bit smaller it would look better imho, but their size may be necessary due to the limitations of the casting process and medium. Also, i think the paintjob displayed does the whole thing no favors, there's just too much going on in the head area in total, with the orange-ish tentacles, the yellow facetted eyes and the high-contrast tips of the mandible-things. The whole head area and its surroundings just look a bit confused on the first glance, you need a second to make sense of it. I'd wager it looks much better in alternate schemes of even by just toning down the colours on the eyes and tentacles a bit.

Now that I'd certainly agree with, but I find that is true of a lot of models. Often it's the angle of the photograph and the paintjob which makes me dislike a model that's previewed, but seeing it in the plastic flesh is a lot better. I think a darker paint job will suit them very well.

While GW's photographers are indeed phenomenal at picking the worst possible angle, for me it's the lack of restraint. The head has teeth. And tentacles. And mandibles. And extra eyes. And an additional chitin plate layer. And the kitchen sink. It's just too much in one place compared to the rest of the body that has an evenly detailed, clean design. It's a point of failure that is far too common on GW sculpts for my liking. 95% of the model shows good taste and judgment, and then there's this one thing the sculptor had to overdo completely.

It's kind of frustrating, but at least oftentimes done in such a way that a simple part swap fixes the issue.