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Yeah, how dare people purchase things to help speed up their play or to not have to search through a PDF. What losers.
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Wonder if the cards will have a"version number" printed somewhere or maybe a different colour to help out differentiate between old and new.
Stu Black mentioned in an interview that the cards that come with codexes are having a slightly different size to help differentiate between index and codex cards. I can't remember if there's anything else he mentioned about the differences.
I'm not convinced a New Tyrant/Norn Emissary kit would work due to sprue logistics.
It would hypothetically need to contain:
- Tyrant parts
- Tyrant wings (wings hog space on any sprue, it only gets worse with an enlarged Tyrant)
- Norn parts
- Swarmlord parts
Which seems like a lot.
I suppose they could skip the wings and keep the current kit available for flyrants, but then they either have a confusing "Two Swarmlords" situation, or they also skip the Swarmlord parts and the Swarmlord ends up smaller than the new Tyrant.
I think it's more likely that the Norn's alternate build is a new creature or makeover of a vintage creature.
Altruizine wrote: I'm not convinced a New Tyrant/Norn Emissary kit would work due to sprue logistics.
It would hypothetically need to contain:
- Tyrant parts
- Tyrant wings (wings hog space on any sprue, it only gets worse with an enlarged Tyrant)
- Norn parts
- Swarmlord parts
Which seems like a lot.
I suppose they could skip the wings and keep the current kit available for flyrants, but then they either have a confusing "Two Swarmlords" situation, or they also skip the Swarmlord parts and the Swarmlord ends up smaller than the new Tyrant.
I think it's more likely that the Norn's alternate build is a new creature or makeover of a vintage creature.
Could be that it's separate kits, but with a lot of reused CAD assets, like e.g. a torso, between them. That would lead to great similarities in general look.
Could also be that there's two kits:
One that builds a "flyrant"/Neurotyrant and one that builds the Norn Emissary/foot Tyrant and the Swarmlord's loadout gets folded into the standard Tyrant.
I just don't buy into a new hive tyrant. It's a perfectly servicable kit, well liked and hasn't really aged much if at all.
Nids don't work on "biggest is best", there's no reason for the leader bug to be knight sized, plus the tyrant guard won't work if they're guarding something from its ankles.
Dudeface wrote: I just don't buy into a new hive tyrant. It's a perfectly servicable kit, well liked and hasn't really aged much if at all.
Nids don't work on "biggest is best", there's no reason for the leader bug to be knight sized, plus the tyrant guard won't work if they're guarding something from its ankles.
To my ongoing dismay there are a lot of folks out there who think the opposite of that, and want Tyranids that have villainous personalities and roided out champions on the order of Primarchs and Daemon Princes, overseen by a cackling interventionist Hive Mind.
Unsurprisingly, they tend to be non-Tyranid players. Often they're not players at all, and often they're new and/or casual fans drawn in by the Primarchocentric era of background we've been in for the last decade. If you hang around somewhere like the 40lore subreddit you'll see several of these people in every thread about Tyranids. Dakka skews grognard, so we don't really see too much of that stance around here, but they're out there. I'm constantly in dread of GW listening to these people and 180ing the Tyranid vibe.
Shadow Walker wrote: Some on 4chan made those while discussing Valrak's words about Norn Emissary's about dual kit with new HT etc.
I would love a new tyrant kit with a modern take on the FW/3rd edition headcrest tyrant like the big bug on the top right. I know the bedford sculpt was garbage but I loved that big triangle head. One of my first warhammer models ever
For me Tyranids don't need big kit reworks, but I do like seeing GW pushing smaller details and such on the plastics. Things like the vents on their backs getting a "top" to them with holes instead of just being an open gap.
Dudeface wrote: I just don't buy into a new hive tyrant. It's a perfectly servicable kit, well liked and hasn't really aged much if at all.
Nids don't work on "biggest is best", there's no reason for the leader bug to be knight sized, plus the tyrant guard won't work if they're guarding something from its ankles.
To my ongoing dismay there are a lot of folks out there who think the opposite of that, and want Tyranids that have villainous personalities and roided out champions on the order of Primarchs and Daemon Princes, overseen by a cackling interventionist Hive Mind.
Unsurprisingly, they tend to be non-Tyranid players. Often they're not players at all, and often they're new and/or casual fans drawn in by the Primarchocentric era of background we've been in for the last decade. If you hang around somewhere like the 40lore subreddit you'll see several of these people in every thread about Tyranids. Dakka skews grognard, so we don't really see too much of that stance around here, but they're out there. I'm constantly in dread of GW listening to these people and 180ing the Tyranid vibe.
This is a prime example why gatekeeping is a good thing.
I could see Neurotyrant as a double kit with new Malanthrope.
Only if they shrink the Malanthrope, that boy is a lot bigger than it seems in pictures without a size reference:
Judging from the army shots, the Neurotyrant is about half as tall.
I would not say a lot bigger. Mal is on 60mm, and Neuro on 50mm. Mal is mostly taller because his long tail. It could work as dual but so far it is only my speculation as we do not even know if Neuro will be more than pushfit in the future.
Hive tyrants don't need to be bigger, but I wouldn't object to a new kit on the grounds that they could add so much more detailing to the model judging by the leviathan sculpts. Ridged chitin and segmented flesh would look amazing and they could add new options in terms head crests, tail options and maybe bioweapons. The sculpting options have moved on so much, but Nids have been very lucky-the model range holds up really well due to Jes designing them.
I'd hope the Norn Emissary is a separate big critter. I like that its not a "named character" but creature type. a LoW would be nice too.
I wonder if they will do a walking prime kit- the warrior kit one is a little underwhelming and one in the style of the flying prime would be ace. They could even do a snake bodied prime type critter -the Red Terror reborn, to go with Raveners. Jes and Phil Kelly talked about having different strands of creatures -winged, walking and snake bodied. Yes also mentioned the idea of tyrant with a swollen belly birthing rippers... which could be cool..
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Dudeface wrote: I just don't buy into a new hive tyrant. It's a perfectly servicable kit, well liked and hasn't really aged much if at all.
Nids don't work on "biggest is best", there's no reason for the leader bug to be knight sized, plus the tyrant guard won't work if they're guarding something from its ankles.
To my ongoing dismay there are a lot of folks out there who think the opposite of that, and want Tyranids that have villainous personalities and roided out champions on the order of Primarchs and Daemon Princes, overseen by a cackling interventionist Hive Mind.
Unsurprisingly, they tend to be non-Tyranid players. Often they're not players at all, and often they're new and/or casual fans drawn in by the Primarchocentric era of background we've been in for the last decade. If you hang around somewhere like the 40lore subreddit you'll see several of these people in every thread about Tyranids. Dakka skews grognard, so we don't really see too much of that stance around here, but they're out there. I'm constantly in dread of GW listening to these people and 180ing the Tyranid vibe.
This is a prime example why gatekeeping is a good thing.
I dunno, the people that want those things didn't come out of nowhere. GW gave them a decade and a half of Superheroes... In Spaaaace! with the Horus Heresy and 40K Guilliman, and GW began to flirt with "Tyranids with personality" in the 5th edition book and the characterization of the Hive Mind in some more recent novels.
Wasn’t the whole “Devastation of Baal” a result of the Hive mind being mad at the Blood Angels and the book explicitly mentions in that it “hates” them
Here’s the full quote:
Spoiler:
The biologans held the hive mind to be only a complicated animal, a supreme predator driven by a devastatingly powerful reactive mind, nevertheless devoid of soul. It was an automaton, they said. Unfeeling. It was as unaware of what it did as the wind is unaware of the cliff whose face it scours away, grain by grain. The hive mind was biological mechanics writ large. Mind from mindlessness.
The Imperial scholars were wrong. The hive mind knew. The hive mind thought, it felt, it hated and it desired. Its emotions were unutterably alien, cocktails of feeling not even the subtle aeldari might decipher. Its emotions were oceans to the puddles of a man’s feelings. They were inconceivable to humanity, for they were too big to perceive.
The hive mind looked out of its innumerable eyes towards the dull red star of Baal. It apprehended that this was the hive of the warriors that had hurt it so grievously, who had burned its feeding grounds and scattered its fleets. It hated the red prey, and it coveted them. Tasting their exotic genomes it had seen potential for new and terrible war beasts.
And so it drew its plans, and it set in motion its trillion trillion bodies towards the consumption of the creatures in red metal, so that their secrets might be plundered, and reemployed in the sating of the hive mind’s endless hunger. This was deliberate, considered, and done in malice.
The hive mind was aware, and it desired vengeance.
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That whole quote is basically saying that the Hive Mind isn't a Victorian view of an animal - that of a creature that is unthinking and only operates by instinct alone.
Something that won't change its behaviour, or adapt, or won't hold a grudge. Something that's just a machine running on instinctive code to a set behaviour. Something you can study, predict and anticipate with a high degree of accuracy.
Instead what it is saying is that the Hive Mind is "self aware" as humanity would understand it. It's intelligent, its smart, its alien and its emotional structure isn't how we'd understand it; but it has an awareness. The Blood Angels aren't just "food" or a threat; they are an individual group that the Hive Mind can identify, understand, study and plot against.
It's saying that the actions of the Tyranids are not just a creature living on instinct to consume, but that they are measured attacks - that within the multitude of feeding strikes, it will focus attacks on specific identified threats; that it will operate at a higher level of thinking when tackling greater threats.
It's not so much saying that its a singular living creature with emotions, feelings and its going to visit its therapist on a Wednesday about being abused by Marines; its saying that the Imperium Scientist is realising that they are living with something as complex in thinking as they are. The Tyranids are not just "animals" or lower life forms.
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Interesting to see if that rumour turns out to be true, and if so, how big it really is.
For all intents and purposes it's a bad joke that Nids didn't have a Knight-sized monster for ages.. for the faction were towering monstrous shapes in the background have been the default for decades now, lol.
For all intents and purposes it's a bad joke that Nids didn't have a Knight-sized monster for ages.. for the faction were towering monstrous shapes in the background have been the default for decades now, lol.
I only hope that our huge kit will be something able to challenge other factions huge models. Norn Emissary looks to be just a giant assassin/notDimachaeron when what I want is a Baneblade or Stompa equivalent in bio-firepower. Obviously it is a Nid so it still should vreck things in cc but I would be dissapointed when what we get as our biggest plastic kit turns to be just another cc moster.
Is it weird that I would hope they go the opposite route, and give small things that can fight Knights?
The first Octarius book had a unique spore mine that latched onto the filtration systems of the Knights and detonated there, spewing toxic spores into the cockpits while also detonating a pseudo-EMP.
