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2023/06/14 12:44:21
Subject: New Nids for New Edition. Deathleaper pp45
Dudeface wrote: Wasn't the massive 2022 mega leak a 4chan dump or ws it discord? I forget
There have been legit 4chan leaks, but the same factors that make it a natural host for real leaks (anonimity, high reach) make it a favoured outlet for trolling and fakes. We just don't have any way to know which it is without additional evidence, but precedent says we should err on the side of fake.
We had already large, well-written and constructed ''leaks'' for 10th edition that turned out to be fake, you can find them in the OP of the roundup thread.
I.E. these:
New Starter Box is called Leonitus Crusade
SPACE MARINES
-1 Primaris Chapter Master (Think Gravis but not haunched over, Power Sword, Bolt pistol)
-1 Primaris Prosecutor (Two-handed axe)
-1 Primaris Noviate Master (Scout Master, Sniper Rifle)
-10 Primaris Space Marine Intervectors (Jump Pack Primaris, Bolter Gauntlets)
-5 Primaris Noviates (Primaris Scouts, Hellblast Shotguns)
-3 Primaris Arduanters (Primaris Terminators, Graviton Hammers, Shields, new type of Gravis Armor)
-3 Primaris Instigators (Pimaris, Shoulder mounted Grav Cannons)
TYRANIDS
-1 Norn-Maleceptrix (Big brain bug, lesser incarnation of the Norn-Queen, able to 'evolve' units. Semi-feminine???)
-1 Tyranid Primus (Big warrior, Two Devourers, Large sword, Claw-whip, boosts)
-1 Lictor (New form of Lictor)
-2 Magistraunt (Mix of Venomthropes and Pyrovore)
-20 Genestealers (New kit, Options for Armored plates and Acid-claws)
-1 Cerebrofex (Blend of Carnifex and Zoanthroap, Smaller Maleceptor)
-3 Genehunters (New type of Warriors, Shock Troopers, made with Space Marine Geneseeds they literally eat.)
New Kits Tyranid kits:
-New Termagaunts and Hormagaunts, dual kit
-New Biovores and Pyrovores, dual kit that now comes in threes
-New dual kit of Cerebrofex and new super-carnifex (Genetics based off old One Eye)
-Three new big monster kits (They say that most Nid players like their big monsters)
-New Red Terror
New Marine Kits:
-Plethora of new Characters to represent old command structure (Think the old resin character models, each one buffs a specific)
-New flying LoW called 'Overlord Dropship', think a smaller Thunderhawk
-New Demolisher Tank,
-New 'Veteran'; unit of Assault Intercessors
-Arduant Kits can make classic Powerfist and Bolter, but with each get a missile launcher on top)
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2023/06/14 12:56:23
Subject: New Nids for New Edition. Deathleaper pp45
That's more than most factions after 2 full waves of releases, so seems sus.
Apologies if you feel like this is me picking on you because of the cropping out of other quotes, I just wanted to clean it up to respond specifically to this element without having a giant quote blast.
Surprisingly, there's been some fairly chunky releases lately for 40k.
Aeldari were 10 kits(Avatar, Rangers, Shroud Runners, Corsairs, Autarch, Warlocks, Shining Spears, Guardians, Dark Reapers, Maugan Ra) off the top of my head, albeit with 4(Rangers, Corsairs, Autarch Mk 2, and Shroud Runners) used as a kind of 'prerelease' in KT and Eldritch Omens.
Guard were slightly more with 12(13 if you count the Aegis Defense Line). Kasrkin, Cadian Shock Troops, Rogal Dorn, Cadian Command Squad, Ursula Creed, Field Ordnance Batteries, Cadian Heavy Weapon Squad, Cadian Castellan, Commissar, Leontus, Sentinel revamp and Atillan Rough Riders.
It definitely is believable that stuff has been held back to get us back to the ol' glory days of "Big Codex Release Wave". Heck, it might even be their intention going forward that each army book release gets an army box to go with it!
2023/06/14 13:43:26
Subject: New Nids for New Edition. Deathleaper pp45
That's more than most factions after 2 full waves of releases, so seems sus.
Apologies if you feel like this is me picking on you because of the cropping out of other quotes, I just wanted to clean it up to respond specifically to this element without having a giant quote blast.
Surprisingly, there's been some fairly chunky releases lately for 40k.
Aeldari were 10 kits(Avatar, Rangers, Shroud Runners, Corsairs, Autarch, Warlocks, Shining Spears, Guardians, Dark Reapers, Maugan Ra) off the top of my head, albeit with 4(Rangers, Corsairs, Autarch Mk 2, and Shroud Runners) used as a kind of 'prerelease' in KT and Eldritch Omens.
Guard were slightly more with 12(13 if you count the Aegis Defense Line). Kasrkin, Cadian Shock Troops, Rogal Dorn, Cadian Command Squad, Ursula Creed, Field Ordnance Batteries, Cadian Heavy Weapon Squad, Cadian Castellan, Commissar, Leontus, Sentinel revamp and Atillan Rough Riders.
It definitely is believable that stuff has been held back to get us back to the ol' glory days of "Big Codex Release Wave". Heck, it might even be their intention going forward that each army book release gets an army box to go with it!
Nah that's ok, my point is more that the volume spoken about would be more than entirety of the last 3-4 new armies they released combined, this is as if both of the Sisters releases dropped at once.
2023/06/14 13:48:11
Subject: Re:New Nids for New Edition. Deathleaper pp45
Nids have also been on a very long model dry spell. They had a lot of plastic support that evaporated about 10 years ago. It would surprise me if the designers suddenly decided they didn't want to sculpt Nids anymore, so I definitely believe the idea of a substantial backlog.
2023/06/14 13:59:45
Subject: Re:New Nids for New Edition. Deathleaper pp45
Gene St. Ealer wrote: Nids have also been on a very long model dry spell. They had a lot of plastic support that evaporated about 10 years ago. It would surprise me if the designers suddenly decided they didn't want to sculpt Nids anymore, so I definitely believe the idea of a substantial backlog.
Again, sisters went for 15 years and barely/didn't get that volume spread over 2 editions of releases though. I believe the nids release will be massive, but unless they phase out some units or update some that don't need it, it seems unrealistic they'll pick up a dozen or so new kits alongside a full slew of refreshed older units.
2023/06/14 14:08:08
Subject: New Nids for New Edition. Deathleaper pp45
Necrons got an interesting spread in their time. There were a few models updated that "didn't need to be" but was nice to get. And yet they still left them with the old style plastic destroyers and half resin destroyer lord.
Sisters went a long time without any updates, codex, models or anything and had wound up very old.
The only thing I'd say with Tyranids that's "old" in their plastics is that they've quite a lot of very chunky arms compared to a lot of modern models which are much thinner. I did wonder if they were going to do that for things like Gaunts; slash the chunky and really make them gaunt and thin and such.
Overread wrote: Necrons got an interesting spread in their time. There were a few models updated that "didn't need to be" but was nice to get. And yet they still left them with the old style plastic destroyers and half resin destroyer lord.
Sisters went a long time without any updates, codex, models or anything and had wound up very old.
The only thing I'd say with Tyranids that's "old" in their plastics is that they've quite a lot of very chunky arms compared to a lot of modern models which are much thinner. I did wonder if they were going to do that for things like Gaunts; slash the chunky and really make them gaunt and thin and such.
I don't think any of the 4th ed onwards kits aren't servicable imo, I can't remember if stealers were that age but they might be the exception if so. The fex is still solid but the sprues could be better done with better detail.
2023/06/14 14:18:09
Subject: New Nids for New Edition. Deathleaper pp45
Tyranids, whilst they do have some very old kits at least, to the untrained eye, don’t necessarily look it.
The Gaunts have long been too fiddly a kit. But once assembled and painted alongside their more recent plastic mates? If you didn’t already know, I’m not sure you’d be able to tell just how long those two kits have been around. This is largely thanks to a fairly stable design ethos following the Gaunt look.
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Overread wrote: Necrons got an interesting spread in their time. There were a few models updated that "didn't need to be" but was nice to get. And yet they still left them with the old style plastic destroyers and half resin destroyer lord.
Sisters went a long time without any updates, codex, models or anything and had wound up very old.
The only thing I'd say with Tyranids that's "old" in their plastics is that they've quite a lot of very chunky arms compared to a lot of modern models which are much thinner. I did wonder if they were going to do that for things like Gaunts; slash the chunky and really make them gaunt and thin and such.
I don't think any of the 4th ed onwards kits aren't servicable imo, I can't remember if stealers were that age but they might be the exception if so. The fex is still solid but the sprues could be better done with better detail.
Good point on better details yes. Esp things like little fume vents on the dorsal vents and such. Small details that just add a bit more to the quality, but not a big rework.
And the new gaunts should mean no more split heads on the gaunts which is an assembly nightmare.
Stealers are odd, they've been reworked a few times but their poses and style are almost identical to their 1st gen spacehulk ones. The newest Space Hulk GW did went way more wild with poses and if anything that would be neat to see on the stealers if they got an update - otherwise just put them on a bigger base to match their arms.
Gene St. Ealer wrote: Nids have also been on a very long model dry spell. They had a lot of plastic support that evaporated about 10 years ago. It would surprise me if the designers suddenly decided they didn't want to sculpt Nids anymore, so I definitely believe the idea of a substantial backlog.
Again, sisters went for 15 years and barely/didn't get that volume spread over 2 editions of releases though. I believe the nids release will be massive, but unless they phase out some units or update some that don't need it, it seems unrealistic they'll pick up a dozen or so new kits alongside a full slew of refreshed older units.
Yeah, but Sisters were basically a dead army. People thought GW was going to slowly phase them out. That was never the case with Nids.
I'm not saying I disagree BTW - I suspect we will get some updates that didn't need to happen.
2023/06/14 15:04:43
Subject: New Nids for New Edition. Deathleaper pp45
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: Tyranids, whilst they do have some very old kits at least, to the untrained eye, don’t necessarily look it.
The Gaunts have long been too fiddly a kit. But once assembled and painted alongside their more recent plastic mates? If you didn’t already know, I’m not sure you’d be able to tell just how long those two kits have been around. This is largely thanks to a fairly stable design ethos following the Gaunt look.
Tyranids have the advantage on not representing anything existing in reality, unlike most humans and humanoids - while things that show a model's age like vastly oversized hands, bad faces and so on are readily discerned in e.g. IG or SM sculpts, Tyranids don't really have something to compare them to, so goofy faces, scything claws that are broader than 2x4s etc. is just like Tyranids look and have always looked. That naturally leads to them ageing rather well compared to ohter ranges.
2023/06/14 15:23:27
Subject: New Nids for New Edition. Deathleaper pp45
Overread wrote: Necrons got an interesting spread in their time. There were a few models updated that "didn't need to be" but was nice to get. And yet they still left them with the old style plastic destroyers and half resin destroyer lord.
Sisters went a long time without any updates, codex, models or anything and had wound up very old.
The only thing I'd say with Tyranids that's "old" in their plastics is that they've quite a lot of very chunky arms compared to a lot of modern models which are much thinner. I did wonder if they were going to do that for things like Gaunts; slash the chunky and really make them gaunt and thin and such.
I don't think any of the 4th ed onwards kits aren't servicable imo, I can't remember if stealers were that age but they might be the exception if so. The fex is still solid but the sprues could be better done with better detail.
Good point on better details yes. Esp things like little fume vents on the dorsal vents and such. Small details that just add a bit more to the quality, but not a big rework.
And the new gaunts should mean no more split heads on the gaunts which is an assembly nightmare.
Stealers are odd, they've been reworked a few times but their poses and style are almost identical to their 1st gen spacehulk ones. The newest Space Hulk GW did went way more wild with poses and if anything that would be neat to see on the stealers if they got an update - otherwise just put them on a bigger base to match their arms.
3rd ed Space Hulk 'stealers also had some new design details. Several unique head designs were in there
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2023/06/14 15:31:39
Subject: Re:New Nids for New Edition. Deathleaper pp45
We're all looking at the T&Cs to see how much Deathleaper is, don't forget that the prize draw for Oghram campaign is listed at being £1000.
So two £100+ Knight/LoW boxes, another £100 for the combat patrol. Another £100 for updated Termagants, hormagants and genestealers. £80 for the updated Lictors and Biovores.
We're already half way to hitting £1000 before we even started adding those Leviathan sets that that will get an additional release outside of the combat patrol.
2023/06/14 21:00:28
Subject: New Nids for New Edition. Deathleaper pp45
Tastyfish wrote: We're all looking at the T&Cs to see how much Deathleaper is, don't forget that the prize draw for Oghram campaign is listed at being £1000.
So two £100+ Knight/LoW boxes, another £100 for the combat patrol. Another £100 for updated Termagants, hormagants and genestealers. £80 for the updated Lictors and Biovores.
We're already half way to hitting £1000 before we even started adding those Leviathan sets that that will get an additional release outside of the combat patrol.
That is not entirely correct - the terms and conditions lists the approximate value of the Prize Pool as £5000 for the five winners, meaning that each would win approximately £1000 worth, but the winners get a pick of either Space Marines or Tyranids, so it's anyones guess how that will break down into line-specific value. The rest of the terms and conditions regarding the prizes is equally instructive (bolding mine):
6.4 The prize is to win all new releases from the prize draw date to the end of 2023 for the winner’s choice of either Space Marines or Tyranids (the “Chosen Army”). The prize includes one of every new Chosen Army plastic miniature, plastic model kit, dice set and standard format rulebook released on www.games-workshop.com during 2023 with the following clarifications and exclusions:
6.4.1 excluding: resin or metal kits, products which are limited edition, collectors edition, special edition, numbered or finite stock edition, made to order, Forge World, merchandise, Licensed products (e.g. McFarlane Toys, Marvel Comics), promotional incentives or products exclusive to a separate promotion, magazines, paints, tools or hobby supplies. Digital products are excluded and all prizes will be physical format. Mixed faction boxed sets featuring the chosen faction and models from another faction are not included.
6.4.2 including: Battleforce boxed sets.
6.4.3 Where a boxed set is released in tiered editions (such as the Warhammer 40,000 Command Edition, Elite Edition and Recruit Edition) the winner will receive the top tier boxed set only.
So the value is probably a bit inflated by stuff like dice and battleforces, but won't include tiered starter sets like the Recruit etc. editions that have two factions in it (if these exist this time around) but will probably include the new Combat Patrol in its separate packaging, as well as a battleforce because these are mentioned specifically. A battleforce and a combat patrol account for £235-£250 pound among them already.
2023/06/15 10:18:49
Subject: Re:New Nids for New Edition. Deathleaper pp45
Dudeface wrote: I lack the enhance skills but this is from the "making of the display board" article, wonder if there's something new hidden in there?
Probably the stuff they (intentionally) blurred out in the background of the painting pic
The article mentions the background for that diorama: Yadda yadda Shrike and company react to a distress call, find an planet already overrun with 'nids and change their mission to secure as many samples from the newly-evolved bioforms they encounter before retreating. That reads to me as though the new models would be present.
That diorama will be shown from June 30th.
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2023/06/15 12:28:08
Subject: Re:New Nids for New Edition. Deathleaper pp45
Dudeface wrote: I lack the enhance skills but this is from the "making of the display board" article, wonder if there's something new hidden in there?
Probably the stuff they (intentionally) blurred out in the background of the painting pic
The article mentions the background for that diorama: Yadda yadda Shrike and company react to a distress call, find an planet already overrun with 'nids and change their mission to secure as many samples from the newly-evolved bioforms [b]they encounter before retreating. That reads to me as though the new models would be present.
That diorama will be shown from June 30th.
Well, logically that's a bonus preview round then. FWIW I can see some tyrannocytes it looks like in top left, left of it appears to be a big old set of legs and abdomen, looks like a larger tyrannofex?
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2023/06/15 12:30:00
Subject: New Nids for New Edition. Deathleaper pp45
Tray of Genestealers, tray of Barbgaunts, tray of Warriors, tray of Carnifexes, tray with Screamer killes (front) Neurotyrant (middle) and Neurogaunts (back)
Second line, left to right:
Box 'o' sprues, Tray with Tervigons (front) and a Haruspex (back), tray with Hiveguard (front) and winged Tyrants??? (back), tray with a Toxicrene and some tentacly things, tray of unidentifiable stuff, tray with purple Orks
Third line, left to right:
Tray with too much blur, tray of Tyrannocytes, empty tray, empty space, tray with dippin' Gaunts in sieves.
2023/06/16 08:28:11
Subject: Re:New Nids for New Edition. Deathleaper pp45
Another 4chan musings. Personally, I do not think it would replace Trygon Prime, in its former HQ/Synapse role, if true of course. It would rather be some Knight like heavy, mostly cc, hitter.
2023/06/16 08:53:40
Subject: Re:New Nids for New Edition. Deathleaper pp45
Shadow Walker wrote: Another 4chan musings. Personally, I do not think it would replace Trygon Prime, in its former HQ/Synapse role, if true of course. It would rather be some Knight like heavy, mostly cc, hitter.
That'd be cool, I think a knight level model that isn't a bipedal humanoid is a nice move if it comes to pass.
2023/06/16 09:12:43
Subject: Re:New Nids for New Edition. Deathleaper pp45
Termagant/Hormagaunt dual-kit
The Hormagaunts have a different head that looks like little Von Ryan's Leapers without the tentacles, has the disgusting spidery mandibles.
Gargoyle/Nightgaunt dual-kit
Comes with a melee variant now, look like little Hive Crones. Wings are back in the middle slots again.
Von Ryan's Leapers/Reaper-Slayers dual-kit
Alt build with "anti-armour claws" (my source is assuming, there was no look at the rules), head looks a little like old dickbeak warriors.
Biovore/Pyrovore dual-kit
You all saw this coming. They're a bit bigger now apparently, otherwise look "how you'd expect".
Screamer-Killer/Razorfex dual-kit
Alt build with heavier claws, completely different head but no plasma spit. Oh, and it can be built as Old One Eye.
Carnifex/Thornback dual-kit
Yeah. There are four fething carnifex variants across two different boxes. These ones have all the gun options but they still have talons. Back-guns as well.
Warrior/Shrike dual-kit
As you probably expected by now. Wings go in the middle slots just like with the new Prime and Gargoyles.
Ravener/Ingester dual-kit
Comes with a variant like a mini-mawloc, no guns smaller arms but huge jaws.
Malefactor/Dactylis dual-kit
Similar to the Exocrine/Haruspex, the front head area completely changes depending on the creature, back either has the transport sacs for things being carried inside or the spore growth sacs. Big front arms positioned in reverse for the Dactylis variant.
Norn Emissary/Norn Assimilator dual-kit
You've probably already heard this thing described at this point. It's effectively a plastic dimachaeron. The assimilator variant has the stomach mouth thing on the Dimachaeron, the Emissary has back tentacles and gak.
Hive Tyrant/Swarm Tyrant dual-kit
There's now a generic version of the Swarmlord that you can take multiple of, somehow this is different from the standard Hive Tyrant and also the Swarmlord itself which can be built using this kit, much like Old One Eye can be made from the Razorfex. But wait. Just hold on. Keep reading.
Tyranid Prime
Comes with the non-winged variant. So I guess technically this is also a fething dual-kit lol.
Deathleaper
Already revealed. It's NOT a dual-kit with the Lictor surprisingly. Guess we're done with those.
Lictor
Basically smack in between the Von Ryan's and the new Deathleaper you've seen, long tail.
Purestrain Genestealer/Ymgarl Stealers dual-kit
Oh just kidding we weren't done with dual-kits. Ymgarls have a fuckload of tentacles, apparently some coming out of the arms too not just the face.
Alright, on to the big stuff...
Viragon
Replaces the Trygon Prime, super-heavy snake bug. More heavily armour plated, enormous mandibles.
Viciator
Big four-legged bio-titan thing with huge wide back plates extending past the sides of the body. Similar to the Hierophant although not as big, more upright body. Head is tucked in and protected under the shell. Arms are fused into one big gun. Apparently has several gun options.
Skorpiodule
8-legged bio-titan. Yes you heard that correctly. It breaks the normal conventions of 6-legs because it is two huge creatures fused together, so it has 12 limbs in total - 8 legs and 4 arms holding weapons, 2 tails (both ending in weapons), and a disgusting fused head with two mouths stacked one above the other like this old Tyranid art. Apparently just fething bristling with disgusting parasitic gak.
And lastly...
The Harbinger
It's not Swarmlord. It's his bigger pissed off brother. They literally Bigger Batman'd him like Primaris. Described to me as like "one of the sculptors must have watched Shin Godzilla and then went to town, it's got another head coming out of the end of the tail".
2023/06/16 09:30:37
Subject: Re:New Nids for New Edition. Deathleaper pp45
Termagant/Hormagaunt dual-kit
The Hormagaunts have a different head that looks like little Von Ryan's Leapers without the tentacles, has the disgusting spidery mandibles.
Gargoyle/Nightgaunt dual-kit
Comes with a melee variant now, look like little Hive Crones. Wings are back in the middle slots again.
Von Ryan's Leapers/Reaper-Slayers dual-kit
Alt build with "anti-armour claws" (my source is assuming, there was no look at the rules), head looks a little like old dickbeak warriors.
Biovore/Pyrovore dual-kit
You all saw this coming. They're a bit bigger now apparently, otherwise look "how you'd expect".
Screamer-Killer/Razorfex dual-kit
Alt build with heavier claws, completely different head but no plasma spit. Oh, and it can be built as Old One Eye.
Carnifex/Thornback dual-kit
Yeah. There are four fething carnifex variants across two different boxes. These ones have all the gun options but they still have talons. Back-guns as well.
Warrior/Shrike dual-kit
As you probably expected by now. Wings go in the middle slots just like with the new Prime and Gargoyles.
Ravener/Ingester dual-kit
Comes with a variant like a mini-mawloc, no guns smaller arms but huge jaws.
Malefactor/Dactylis dual-kit
Similar to the Exocrine/Haruspex, the front head area completely changes depending on the creature, back either has the transport sacs for things being carried inside or the spore growth sacs. Big front arms positioned in reverse for the Dactylis variant.
Norn Emissary/Norn Assimilator dual-kit
You've probably already heard this thing described at this point. It's effectively a plastic dimachaeron. The assimilator variant has the stomach mouth thing on the Dimachaeron, the Emissary has back tentacles and gak.
Hive Tyrant/Swarm Tyrant dual-kit
There's now a generic version of the Swarmlord that you can take multiple of, somehow this is different from the standard Hive Tyrant and also the Swarmlord itself which can be built using this kit, much like Old One Eye can be made from the Razorfex. But wait. Just hold on. Keep reading.
Tyranid Prime
Comes with the non-winged variant. So I guess technically this is also a fething dual-kit lol.
Deathleaper
Already revealed. It's NOT a dual-kit with the Lictor surprisingly. Guess we're done with those.
Lictor
Basically smack in between the Von Ryan's and the new Deathleaper you've seen, long tail.
Purestrain Genestealer/Ymgarl Stealers dual-kit
Oh just kidding we weren't done with dual-kits. Ymgarls have a fuckload of tentacles, apparently some coming out of the arms too not just the face.
Alright, on to the big stuff...
Viragon
Replaces the Trygon Prime, super-heavy snake bug. More heavily armour plated, enormous mandibles.
Viciator
Big four-legged bio-titan thing with huge wide back plates extending past the sides of the body. Similar to the Hierophant although not as big, more upright body. Head is tucked in and protected under the shell. Arms are fused into one big gun. Apparently has several gun options.
Skorpiodule
8-legged bio-titan. Yes you heard that correctly. It breaks the normal conventions of 6-legs because it is two huge creatures fused together, so it has 12 limbs in total - 8 legs and 4 arms holding weapons, 2 tails (both ending in weapons), and a disgusting fused head with two mouths stacked one above the other like this old Tyranid art. Apparently just fething bristling with disgusting parasitic gak.
And lastly...
The Harbinger
It's not Swarmlord. It's his bigger pissed off brother. They literally Bigger Batman'd him like Primaris. Described to me as like "one of the sculptors must have watched Shin Godzilla and then went to town, it's got another head coming out of the end of the tail".
Mark me down for "I'll eat a shoe if these turn out to be even remotely true". What a bunch of wishlisty nonsense!