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2023/06/16 09:45:41
Subject: Re:New Nids for New Edition. Deathleaper pp45
Termagant/Hormagaunt dual-kit
The Hormagaunts have a different head that looks like little Von Ryan's Leapers without the tentacles, has the disgusting spidery mandibles.
Gargoyle/Nightgaunt dual-kit
Comes with a melee variant now, look like little Hive Crones. Wings are back in the middle slots again.
Von Ryan's Leapers/Reaper-Slayers dual-kit
Alt build with "anti-armour claws" (my source is assuming, there was no look at the rules), head looks a little like old dickbeak warriors.
Biovore/Pyrovore dual-kit
You all saw this coming. They're a bit bigger now apparently, otherwise look "how you'd expect".
Screamer-Killer/Razorfex dual-kit
Alt build with heavier claws, completely different head but no plasma spit. Oh, and it can be built as Old One Eye.
Carnifex/Thornback dual-kit
Yeah. There are four fething carnifex variants across two different boxes. These ones have all the gun options but they still have talons. Back-guns as well.
Warrior/Shrike dual-kit
As you probably expected by now. Wings go in the middle slots just like with the new Prime and Gargoyles.
Ravener/Ingester dual-kit
Comes with a variant like a mini-mawloc, no guns smaller arms but huge jaws.
Malefactor/Dactylis dual-kit
Similar to the Exocrine/Haruspex, the front head area completely changes depending on the creature, back either has the transport sacs for things being carried inside or the spore growth sacs. Big front arms positioned in reverse for the Dactylis variant.
Norn Emissary/Norn Assimilator dual-kit
You've probably already heard this thing described at this point. It's effectively a plastic dimachaeron. The assimilator variant has the stomach mouth thing on the Dimachaeron, the Emissary has back tentacles and gak.
Hive Tyrant/Swarm Tyrant dual-kit
There's now a generic version of the Swarmlord that you can take multiple of, somehow this is different from the standard Hive Tyrant and also the Swarmlord itself which can be built using this kit, much like Old One Eye can be made from the Razorfex. But wait. Just hold on. Keep reading.
Tyranid Prime
Comes with the non-winged variant. So I guess technically this is also a fething dual-kit lol.
Deathleaper
Already revealed. It's NOT a dual-kit with the Lictor surprisingly. Guess we're done with those.
Lictor
Basically smack in between the Von Ryan's and the new Deathleaper you've seen, long tail.
Purestrain Genestealer/Ymgarl Stealers dual-kit
Oh just kidding we weren't done with dual-kits. Ymgarls have a fuckload of tentacles, apparently some coming out of the arms too not just the face.
Alright, on to the big stuff...
Viragon
Replaces the Trygon Prime, super-heavy snake bug. More heavily armour plated, enormous mandibles.
Viciator
Big four-legged bio-titan thing with huge wide back plates extending past the sides of the body. Similar to the Hierophant although not as big, more upright body. Head is tucked in and protected under the shell. Arms are fused into one big gun. Apparently has several gun options.
Skorpiodule
8-legged bio-titan. Yes you heard that correctly. It breaks the normal conventions of 6-legs because it is two huge creatures fused together, so it has 12 limbs in total - 8 legs and 4 arms holding weapons, 2 tails (both ending in weapons), and a disgusting fused head with two mouths stacked one above the other like this old Tyranid art. Apparently just fething bristling with disgusting parasitic gak.
And lastly...
The Harbinger
It's not Swarmlord. It's his bigger pissed off brother. They literally Bigger Batman'd him like Primaris. Described to me as like "one of the sculptors must have watched Shin Godzilla and then went to town, it's got another head coming out of the end of the tail".
Mark me down for "I'll eat a shoe if these turn out to be even remotely true". What a bunch of wishlisty nonsense!
Agree. Some points to add:
The Viciator is also taken from the old Sabretooth CCG (definitely) and i think the Reaper-Slayers as well (these were just Hormagaunts with a different name cause CCG)
Also, the Viragon was mentioned before, in that huge B&C April Fools leak that got removed fast, and which turned out to be complete BS:
2023/06/16 09:51:06
Subject: Re:New Nids for New Edition. Deathleaper pp45
Termagant/Hormagaunt dual-kit
The Hormagaunts have a different head that looks like little Von Ryan's Leapers without the tentacles, has the disgusting spidery mandibles.
Gargoyle/Nightgaunt dual-kit
Comes with a melee variant now, look like little Hive Crones. Wings are back in the middle slots again.
Von Ryan's Leapers/Reaper-Slayers dual-kit
Alt build with "anti-armour claws" (my source is assuming, there was no look at the rules), head looks a little like old dickbeak warriors.
Biovore/Pyrovore dual-kit
You all saw this coming. They're a bit bigger now apparently, otherwise look "how you'd expect".
Screamer-Killer/Razorfex dual-kit
Alt build with heavier claws, completely different head but no plasma spit. Oh, and it can be built as Old One Eye.
Carnifex/Thornback dual-kit
Yeah. There are four fething carnifex variants across two different boxes. These ones have all the gun options but they still have talons. Back-guns as well.
Warrior/Shrike dual-kit
As you probably expected by now. Wings go in the middle slots just like with the new Prime and Gargoyles.
Ravener/Ingester dual-kit
Comes with a variant like a mini-mawloc, no guns smaller arms but huge jaws.
Malefactor/Dactylis dual-kit
Similar to the Exocrine/Haruspex, the front head area completely changes depending on the creature, back either has the transport sacs for things being carried inside or the spore growth sacs. Big front arms positioned in reverse for the Dactylis variant.
Norn Emissary/Norn Assimilator dual-kit
You've probably already heard this thing described at this point. It's effectively a plastic dimachaeron. The assimilator variant has the stomach mouth thing on the Dimachaeron, the Emissary has back tentacles and gak.
Hive Tyrant/Swarm Tyrant dual-kit
There's now a generic version of the Swarmlord that you can take multiple of, somehow this is different from the standard Hive Tyrant and also the Swarmlord itself which can be built using this kit, much like Old One Eye can be made from the Razorfex. But wait. Just hold on. Keep reading.
Tyranid Prime
Comes with the non-winged variant. So I guess technically this is also a fething dual-kit lol.
Deathleaper
Already revealed. It's NOT a dual-kit with the Lictor surprisingly. Guess we're done with those.
Lictor
Basically smack in between the Von Ryan's and the new Deathleaper you've seen, long tail.
Purestrain Genestealer/Ymgarl Stealers dual-kit
Oh just kidding we weren't done with dual-kits. Ymgarls have a fuckload of tentacles, apparently some coming out of the arms too not just the face.
Alright, on to the big stuff...
Viragon
Replaces the Trygon Prime, super-heavy snake bug. More heavily armour plated, enormous mandibles.
Viciator
Big four-legged bio-titan thing with huge wide back plates extending past the sides of the body. Similar to the Hierophant although not as big, more upright body. Head is tucked in and protected under the shell. Arms are fused into one big gun. Apparently has several gun options.
Skorpiodule
8-legged bio-titan. Yes you heard that correctly. It breaks the normal conventions of 6-legs because it is two huge creatures fused together, so it has 12 limbs in total - 8 legs and 4 arms holding weapons, 2 tails (both ending in weapons), and a disgusting fused head with two mouths stacked one above the other like this old Tyranid art. Apparently just fething bristling with disgusting parasitic gak.
And lastly...
The Harbinger
It's not Swarmlord. It's his bigger pissed off brother. They literally Bigger Batman'd him like Primaris. Described to me as like "one of the sculptors must have watched Shin Godzilla and then went to town, it's got another head coming out of the end of the tail".
Mark me down for "I'll eat a shoe if these turn out to be even remotely true". What a bunch of wishlisty nonsense!
So untouched it would leave:
Parasite
Zoan/Venomthropes
Tervigon/T-fex
Exocrine/Haruspex
Hive/Tyrant guard
Maleceptor/toxicrene
Tyrannocyte/Sporocyst
Broodlord
Trygon/Mawloc
Unless I missed any?
2023/06/16 10:12:56
Subject: New Nids for New Edition. Deathleaper pp45
By the sheer amount of stuff that has been put out as rumours, some of it ought to hit something by sheer weight of numbers. I'd be pretty confident in saying that at least some unit names from the CCG will turn up, for example, even if the descriptions don't match Other stuff like 'alternate build Gargoyles' or 'Big Centerpiece Model' are educated guesses anyone could give you. Weird gak like the Scorpiodule is where you can really earn credibility if it turns out true, but that's also what i have the most trouble believing.
I suspect this list will turn out to be as made up as the others were.
2023/06/16 14:30:46
Subject: New Nids for New Edition. Deathleaper pp45
Makes even less sense when you remember they're the only unit out of the two with weapon upgrade options. In fact, they can take 4 big guns per unit and somehow be cheaper than the melee ones.
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H.B.M.C. wrote: Makes even less sense when you remember they're the only unit out of the two with weapon upgrade options. In fact, they can take 4 big guns per unit and somehow be cheaper than the melee ones.
That's part of my shock. Its also that as melee units, the melee warriors are just marginally better. +3 attacks total and 1 additional AP doesn't justify +20 points for 3 models under this 'system.'
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2023/06/16 15:16:41
Subject: New Nids for New Edition. Deathleaper pp45
All those changes made me think that while particular rumours may be false, we could indeed have a massive upgrade of existing kits incoming. I think that the new way GW are moving to has problems mostly with the older kits = ones with plenty of weapons/wargear options. Newer kits will have few or none so they work flawlessly (for GW) with the new points system. In short, I think I am right that new Warriors are coming, no matter if as dual with Shrikes or as separate one.
2023/06/16 15:42:38
Subject: New Nids for New Edition. Deathleaper pp45
My point (heh!) was that there is no logic to these costs. How is the Haruspex that much cheaper than a Trygon when the Trygon ain't got nuthin' on Mr. Tentacle Face?
I mean I tried to put together a 2000 point list, but with no variable units it's damned hard to make it all work (aim was to include everything* from the new box as well as make a full list).
I think game wise and wanting to tackle objectives I’d personally want maybe another 2OC unit in the mix.
But…that’s looking like a fun mix of differently sized gribblies with different purposes. Particularly the Barbgaunts, because interfering with enemy movement is just the sort of thing to amuse me.
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Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: I think game wise and wanting to tackle objectives I’d personally want maybe another 2OC unit in the mix.
But…that’s looking like a fun mix of differently sized gribblies with different purposes. Particularly the Barbgaunts, because interfering with enemy movement is just the sort of thing to amuse me.
Not sure if this is a general thing or faction specific, but from what I've gathered we'll be seeing a lot of mechanised lists and Barbgaunts work only against infantry.
2023/06/16 16:19:37
Subject: New Nids for New Edition. Deathleaper pp45
They’re still useful. Not something to load up too heavily on like, but H.B.M.C. is proposing two units of 5, coming in at 100 points.
That strikes me as a decent points cost for slowing down the infantry once they come out their pesky tin cans. Indeed “ideal situation” they could be game winning just from spiking a unit or two which prevents said units getting in range of an Objective. And whilst I wouldn’t call their shooter beast powerful? It’s not exactly weedy. Spesh as to trigger it’s effect, the unit need only hit. They don’t need to do any damage.
I’ve not read the main rules yet, but if we can relatively freely split fire still? They may be really quite powerful.
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Kanluwen wrote: This is, emphatically, why I will continue suggesting nuking Guard and starting over again. It's a legacy army that needs to be rebooted with a new focal point.
Confirmation of why no-one should listen to Kanluwen when it comes to the IG - he doesn't want the IG, he want's Kan's New Model Army...
tneva82 wrote: You aren't even trying ty pretend for honest arqument. Open bad faith trolling.
- No reason to keep this here, unless people want to use it for something...
2023/06/16 18:15:35
Subject: New Nids for New Edition. Deathleaper pp45
If a model has more than one ranged weapon, it can shoot all
of them at the same target or it can shoot each of them at a
different target, but it cannot split attacks from the same weapon
across more than one target. Similarly, if a unit has more than
one model, those models can shoot at the same or different
targets. In any case, when you select a target unit you must
declare which models will target that unit with which weapons
before any attacks are resolved. If any of these weapons have
more than one profile that you must choose between, you must
also declare which profile is being used.
Gamgee on Tau Players wrote:we all kill cats and sell our own families to the devil and eat live puppies.
Kanluwen wrote: This is, emphatically, why I will continue suggesting nuking Guard and starting over again. It's a legacy army that needs to be rebooted with a new focal point.
Confirmation of why no-one should listen to Kanluwen when it comes to the IG - he doesn't want the IG, he want's Kan's New Model Army...
tneva82 wrote: You aren't even trying ty pretend for honest arqument. Open bad faith trolling.
- No reason to keep this here, unless people want to use it for something...
2023/06/16 18:23:30
Subject: New Nids for New Edition. Deathleaper pp45
OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote: Well i guess that will be one 'legitimate' way for TFG players to really slow down the game,
but it does give more reasonable players more options
Shouldn’t slow it down that much? Declare unit, declare target(s). Yes it will take longer to resolve than batch rolling a single unit at a single time. But maybe a minute or two at most?
Unless they’re being a Richard Cranium and sucking their teeth whilst deciding how to split their fire. Which frankly, is something one should largely have decided upon during one’s non-player turn.
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It might take a little longer, but shouldn’t be excessive.
Granted, if you took enough of them it could be worth it to have each individual model target every non-mounted unit on the other side of the table. But that’s an extreme case.
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