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 stahly wrote:
From what I see, the Termagants are the same sculpts as the Leviathan / starter set models. Since these have separate arms, I guess the "multipart" version will just be a weapon arms sprue. Which is perfectly fine of course.

I thought they said as much on the stream, but everyone talking about a multipart kit has had me second-guessing my memory.

No One Important wrote:

 stahly wrote:
From what I see, the Termagants are the same sculpts as the Leviathan / starter set models. Since these have separate arms, I guess the "multipart" version will just be a weapon arms sprue. Which is perfectly fine of course.

I thought they said as much on the stream, but everyone talking about a multipart kit has had me second-guessing my memory.

I think they said something vague that hinted at that but didn't really confirm it, but maybe I'm misremembering, I was working while the stream was on in the background.

I wonder how the new Termies will look in a swarm of 40, if the repeats will start to become noticeable, I think probably not.

The Hormagaunts with their more dynamic and unique poses might start suffering from clone syndrome similar to how Orks suffer from it with the new monopose models.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

No One Important wrote:

 stahly wrote:
From what I see, the Termagants are the same sculpts as the Leviathan / starter set models. Since these have separate arms, I guess the "multipart" version will just be a weapon arms sprue. Which is perfectly fine of course.

I thought they said as much on the stream, but everyone talking about a multipart kit has had me second-guessing my memory.

I think they said something vague that hinted at that but didn't really confirm it, but maybe I'm misremembering, I was working while the stream was on in the background.

I wonder how the new Termies will look in a swarm of 40, if the repeats will start to become noticeable, I think probably not.

The Hormagaunts with their more dynamic and unique poses might start suffering from clone syndrome similar to how Orks suffer from it with the new monopose models.

Yea the Termagants will just get an upgrade sprue which can be best seen with this guy


Also I think Hormagaunts won't be as bad as orks as they don't have any different equipment. While the poses will be clones, Hormagaunts themselves are already pretty similar as they all have the same claws, chitin plates and heads. Which isn't bad at all as they should all be one singular big horde. Meanwhile the Orks not only have the same poses but also the exact same clothes and weapons for each pose but which are quite different between the different poses so its easier to spot the clones.

For example in this group pic the second and fourth Hormagaunts form the left already have very similar poses and only differ by which leg is in front and their subarms but that still looks fine to me

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 Tyran wrote:
While the right leg is on a tactical... thing, the back leg is on the "ground".

The one thing that does makes it deceptive is just how tall are its vents.

Still easily 50% taller than a Hive Tyrant even without the vents.

The body is a very similar size, which to me makes it look not much bigger. The legs are slightly longer and in a more upright pose, and the head is a bit bigger, the hips section looks to be a bit bulkier which leads to a thicker tail... but overall I find it too close to the Hive Tyrant.

I think I'd rather they just made it a triple-kit and one of the options was regular Hive Tyrant.

Either that or make it WAY bigger, like, Wraithknight or Imperial Knight sized. Something that bridges the gap between the Hive Tyrant and Dominatrix, or hell, just give us the Dominatrix.

They will put out plastic warhound far sooner than dominatrix. They don't do xenos as first plastic titan. Especially on top side of those.

tneva82 wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 Tyran wrote:
While the right leg is on a tactical... thing, the back leg is on the "ground".

The one thing that does makes it deceptive is just how tall are its vents.

Still easily 50% taller than a Hive Tyrant even without the vents.

The body is a very similar size, which to me makes it look not much bigger. The legs are slightly longer and in a more upright pose, and the head is a bit bigger, the hips section looks to be a bit bulkier which leads to a thicker tail... but overall I find it too close to the Hive Tyrant.

I think I'd rather they just made it a triple-kit and one of the options was regular Hive Tyrant.

Either that or make it WAY bigger, like, Wraithknight or Imperial Knight sized. Something that bridges the gap between the Hive Tyrant and Dominatrix, or hell, just give us the Dominatrix.

They will put out plastic warhound far sooner than dominatrix. They don't do xenos as first plastic titan. Especially on top side of those.

Dominatrix wasn't really a "titan", it was a superheavy, but so was the Baneblade, maybe my memory is a bit hazy but I thought the Dominatrix was roughly Baneblade sized (it's power came from its psychic abilities rather than being huge like a Hierophant). If they did it at 40k scale I'm picturing something in the realm of Imperial Knight to Baneblade size.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 Tyran wrote:
While the right leg is on a tactical... thing, the back leg is on the "ground".

The one thing that does makes it deceptive is just how tall are its vents.

Still easily 50% taller than a Hive Tyrant even without the vents.

The body is a very similar size, which to me makes it look not much bigger. The legs are slightly longer and in a more upright pose, and the head is a bit bigger, the hips section looks to be a bit bulkier which leads to a thicker tail... but overall I find it too close to the Hive Tyrant.

I think I'd rather they just made it a triple-kit and one of the options was regular Hive Tyrant.

Either that or make it WAY bigger, like, Wraithknight or Imperial Knight sized. Something that bridges the gap between the Hive Tyrant and Dominatrix, or hell, just give us the Dominatrix.

They will put out plastic warhound far sooner than dominatrix. They don't do xenos as first plastic titan. Especially on top side of those.

Dominatrix wasn't really a "titan", it was a superheavy, but so was the Baneblade, maybe my memory is a bit hazy but I thought the Dominatrix was roughly Baneblade sized (it's power came from its psychic abilities rather than being huge like a Hierophant). If they did it at 40k scale I'm picturing something in the realm of Imperial Knight to Baneblade size.

It was a superheavy but it had Wounds so it was more durable than a Baneblade. It had a decent enough cannon but its main power was its psychic abilities. It could either give itself an invulnerable shield or it could fire off a warp pulse, which was potentially lethal to any unshielded targets as it had a high ASM.

What Epic needed was to rationalize the rules for non-Titan superheavies, namely to make some of the earlier superheavies like Baneblades and Shadowswords more durable. It never got around to this, though I think NetEpic did. IIRC, 2nd edition Epic rules as written, superheavy tanks were no more durable than Leman Russ tanks, and would be destroyed if they failed a single armor save. They might have had slightly better armor save but all it took was 1 failed save. By comparison, the Dominatrix took 1 Wound every failed save, and collapsed when its Wounds equalled or exceeded its Wounds characteristic. However it then got to roll to regenerate each Wound and would not die if it could bring its total Wounds back down below its Wounds characteristics.

Iracundus wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 Tyran wrote:
While the right leg is on a tactical... thing, the back leg is on the "ground".

The one thing that does makes it deceptive is just how tall are its vents.

Still easily 50% taller than a Hive Tyrant even without the vents.

The body is a very similar size, which to me makes it look not much bigger. The legs are slightly longer and in a more upright pose, and the head is a bit bigger, the hips section looks to be a bit bulkier which leads to a thicker tail... but overall I find it too close to the Hive Tyrant.

I think I'd rather they just made it a triple-kit and one of the options was regular Hive Tyrant.

Either that or make it WAY bigger, like, Wraithknight or Imperial Knight sized. Something that bridges the gap between the Hive Tyrant and Dominatrix, or hell, just give us the Dominatrix.

They will put out plastic warhound far sooner than dominatrix. They don't do xenos as first plastic titan. Especially on top side of those.

Dominatrix wasn't really a "titan", it was a superheavy, but so was the Baneblade, maybe my memory is a bit hazy but I thought the Dominatrix was roughly Baneblade sized (it's power came from its psychic abilities rather than being huge like a Hierophant). If they did it at 40k scale I'm picturing something in the realm of Imperial Knight to Baneblade size.

It was a superheavy but it had Wounds so it was more durable than a Baneblade. It had a decent enough cannon but its main power was its psychic abilities. It could either give itself an invulnerable shield or it could fire off a warp pulse, which was potentially lethal to any unshielded targets as it had a high ASM.

What Epic needed was to rationalize the rules for non-Titan superheavies, namely to make some of the earlier superheavies like Baneblades and Shadowswords more durable. It never got around to this, though I think NetEpic did. IIRC, 2nd edition Epic rules as written, superheavy tanks were no more durable than Leman Russ tanks, and would be destroyed if they failed a single armor save. They might have had slightly better armor save but all it took was 1 failed save. By comparison, the Dominatrix took 1 Wound every failed save, and collapsed when its Wounds equalled or exceeded its Wounds characteristic. However it then got to roll to regenerate each Wound and would not die if it could bring its total Wounds back down below its Wounds characteristics.

I was mostly thinking in terms of size. I'm most familiar with 3rd ed Epic where a Baneblade had 4 damage capacity, a Dominatrix had 10 but Tyranid monsters all had high damage capacity supposedly to account for them being organic and able to heal wounds. But I just meant from the size perspective, I don't recall the Dominatrix being huge, I had one back in the day (it's kicking around in my cupboard somewhere still) and I thought it was on the small side for a "war engine", being on a cavalry base. Maybe I'm mistaken and I'll drag the model out and be shocked at its size, lol.

In any case... haha, this is a bit of a tangent, all I meant was the Norn-whatever is a bit disappointing in the sense the model is many ways just a slightly larger Hive Tyrant, like a Primaris Hive Tyrant or something, whereas I would have liked to have seen something bigger and less Hive-Tyrant-esque.

Quick kitbash proxy for the new biovore to tide me over

Well I hope that GW releases the Termagant new weapon sprue separately so that it can be used with starter sets.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
the model is many ways just a slightly larger Hive Tyrant, like a Primaris Hive Tyrant or something

That's exactly what it is, so we have to buy something even if our old troops are still serviceable.


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 Sotahullu wrote:
Well I hope that GW releases the Termagant new weapon sprue separately so that it can be used with starter sets.

They will most certainly not.

I liked building the new gaunts and I bought some Nids in 3rd, so I'm almost able to field an army with some additional big critters.

I like the new Lictors and if the gaunts are similar to the starter ones I think they're pretty awesome for horde minis. Assembling the same amount of Orks and Guardsmen was worse - that was with the old kits.

I don't like the new 'vores. I can see what they were going for, but the concept of an Ork-like beast with its meaty fists and chonky head was way better IMO and I like the background. The spore mines are also not as good, I find them to sleek and more like a UAV/military drone. Might make practical sense, but I love the old misshapen blobs of tubes, tentacles and wobbly bits.

I've not read the reactions to this reveal yet, so this might be a hot take or a pile-on, but I think the Norn things are lacking in detail for sculpts of this size. Especially the flesh hooks look just weird, stuck to the model without really being integrated with the surrounding areas. This might change with more pictures, but so far I'm not tempted.


What I'd like to see on a big Nid is lots of smaller Nids as a sort if symbiotic retinue. Imagine a "school" of targeting bugs or command or communication bugs crawling over one of the big artillery bugs. The diorama-like minis from the Ossiarch big guy as tiny bugs on a big bug. I know that Nid gribblies are designed and stuff and wouldn't "need" additional gear besides their bodies and weapons symbiotes, they are doing the brain tentacle things in a lot of new creatures. So a visible "crew" for some of the big bugs could be a fun addition to the design.

Collected thoughts, as my wibbling is now split over two thread.

1. I am pretty satisfied with what we’ve got.

2. 10 New Units is a pretty decent haul.

3. Importantly nothing left in Finecast except the Red Terror. But we do have the Mawloc for that.

4. I think I would’ve liked a Super Heavy Bug in the mix.

5. But the important thing for me is Nids have traditionally done pretty good with Big Bugs, so I’ll take this significant expansion and even blurring of Small and Medium sized Nids.

6. Certainly I think everything old and irritating is now dealt with. And that I think is worth keeping mind.

7. Only thing I think they missed was a third ‘Vore variant. But I can’t put my finger on what I’d like it to have been.

We don't talk about the third type of Vore

I’m going to pretend, as I always do, I don’t know what you’re referring to. Because it’s knowledge I don’t have that I didn’t gain by merely existing on the Internet.

Pointing out that the norn emmisary is hardly bigger than a hive tyrant, its just posed to look scary, sounds like something "The Regimental Standard" would have written to boost morale for the humble guardsmen going up against the horrors of the hive mind

 Fayric wrote:
Pointing out that the norn emmisary is hardly bigger than a hive tyrant, its just posed to look scary, sounds like something "The Regimental Standard" would have written to boost morale for the humble guardsmen going up against the horrors of the hive mind

Nah, that's what they'd say about a Dominatrix versus a Ripper.

That was the best day of reveals for me since they’ve announced Horus heresy 2.0 and Warhanner Fantasy’s return. I’m going to collect nids for 10th now.

Haven’t played 40k since the 6th,but will get back into the game with all those amazing new kits.
The weakest link has got to be the biovore, but I still like it. It’s just the other stuff is even better. I was worried for gaunts and stealers the most. But GW did them justice. Unlike new ork boys :(

The new worm-neuro-lictor thing has gotta be my favourite

I wish they’d given us a group shot of the models. Like when they were showing off the Votann, I for one am struggling to get a clear idea in my head of the various scales involved. Spesh for the Norn Thingies. Putting it next to a Wraithlord is all fine and well, but I want to see it next to other Tyranids.

Well I like the new look for Biovore and Pyrovore, and old ones were good also, but I think they could have made some clear visual differences as both are kinda identical with minor differences.

Another size comparison for Norn bug

I am still trying to piece myself together over how fething awesome the Norn mini is. And on top of that GW has done what I've wanted them to do for decades; add more medium and small bugs! Suffice it to say I am very happy.

 Sotahullu wrote:
Well I like the new look for Biovore and Pyrovore, and old ones were good also, but I think they could have made some clear visual differences as both are kinda identical with minor differences.

That's my biggest issue. The old pyrovore had a huge bloated belly and a equally nasty chin sack. An alternate head would have done wonders

I wonder if they will update our PDF to include new Termas weapons, and new units like Neurolictor etc. or we have to wait till codex hits?

Those I imagine will be Codex rules, and the updated data card deck. I’ll hold off on buying the latter in case of Errata’d reprint.

 GaroRobe wrote:

 Sotahullu wrote:
Well I like the new look for Biovore and Pyrovore, and old ones were good also, but I think they could have made some clear visual differences as both are kinda identical with minor differences.

That's my biggest issue. The old pyrovore had a huge bloated belly and a equally nasty chin sack. An alternate head would have done wonders

Maybe there is an alternate head on the sprue but has not been shown?

 GaroRobe wrote:

 Sotahullu wrote:
Well I like the new look for Biovore and Pyrovore, and old ones were good also, but I think they could have made some clear visual differences as both are kinda identical with minor differences.

That's my biggest issue. The old pyrovore had a huge bloated belly and a equally nasty chin sack. An alternate head would have done wonders

I always felt the original pyro was meant to be the next biovore.

The more I look at the Biovore, the less it looks like a Tyranid to me. It really, really needs a different set of limbs, something that will make it look like a gun platform, not a dancing spooder.

The spore launcher looks too much like it's just riding on the biovore's back like it's a pony.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I wish they’d given us a group shot of the models. Like when they were showing off the Votann, I for one am struggling to get a clear idea in my head of the various scales involved. Spesh for the Norn Thingies. Putting it next to a Wraithlord is all fine and well, but I want to see it next to other Tyranids.

I seem to be struggling to upload images to Dakka, but at the end of the stream they did have an army shot with everything together on a battlefield as part of the final summary video.
[edit] Ah, just wasn't getting any confirmation that it had uploaded!

Muuuuch better! Norns are indeed big chunky lads.