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Tsagualsa wrote:
He 'knows' Epic Horus Heresy will be shown of at Warhammer Fest.

Make Warhammer great again!

RazorEdge wrote:
Make Warhammer great again!

Heh-heh. That gave me a good chuckle.

"Adeptus Exercisus"

Just one different word would have given us hope...just one.

 Gitdakka wrote:

 skeleton wrote:
Yers you can buy the mini's, but i have looked for some and i can not say that they are very good.
You have mini's that are oke and mini's that are ugly.
But you can say a lot about gw, but they make the best mini's.

You surely have not been looking hard enough

Take a look in the epic thread on dakkadakka for some good miniature pictures

Seconded! 'Best minis' doesn't mean quite as much when you are just talking about 6/8mm, there is only so much you can do at that scale. And one in the hand is worth two in the bush, as they say.
I can buy and build a good chunk of a Chapter's worth of marines right now, and indeed have done so



I posted this at the prospect of the Epic community being worried about the potential for crap new rules that depth-charge the existing community, and the reaction of guys who have been playing 2nd edition SM since 1991 at the prospect of a new version coming along..

On a new edition and damaging the community.

I have the rules for 2nd Ed. Missing Titan Legions (but £3,500.00 or so bonus in May should fix that) . What’s stopping me playing?

A lack of models. I mean, I’ve a proper complete set from the 2nd Ed Box, but that’s not really enough.

I could turn to 3D Printing. I could turn to 3rd Party sculpts. Or, GW relaunches the scale and I take the easy route, buying what will no doubt be lovely lovely models.

Warhammer Fest Epic reveal?

If this turns out to be real, my 40K plans will change a great deal. Since the 90's, my preferred 40K ways to play have been skirmish level & epic, I could resume that with KT21/Epic HH and just collect a 40K army for the sake of building/painting.

I would follow the same pattern of Gaming.

KT40k for 28mm and Skimishing
EPIC 29.9K/30k/40k for 6mm/8mm and Mass Battle

 tauist wrote:
Warhammer Fest Epic reveal?

If this turns out to be real, my 40K plans will change a great deal. Since the 90's, my preferred 40K ways to play have been skirmish level & epic, I could resume that with KT21/Epic HH and just collect a 40K army for the sake of building/painting.

This too is my gaming preference, though without a 40K army (I’m in for the gaming, not the hobby).

If it’s just HH then it sucks. Epic needs ORKS.

They will have their reasons why they would beginn with the HH and Legiones Astartes. They can bring lesser models and lower the financial risks.

Space Marines are nobrainers for GW, they sell always.

RazorEdge wrote:
New Stuff appeared on Faeit:

More titbits about the release of EPIC as the next Game by the Specialist Design Studio of GW.

.......


Second big Infantry Sprue in the same fashion but with Mk2 & Mk3 Armour mixed
One segment with

Mk2 Tactical Squads
Mk2 Heavy Weapons ("anti-tank" and "anti-infatry" Squads
Mk2 Assault Squads
Mk2 Bike Squads

One segment with:

Mk3 Tactical Squads
Mk3 Heavy Weapons ("anti-tank" and "anti-infatry") Squads
Mk3 Breacher Squads

One segment with:

Mk2 & Mk3 Command Squads (One Squad each with one Armour type)

......

Again, MK2/3 together makes no sense. It's hard to tell those two apart at 28mm size, so there's absolutely no point in trying to do this in tiny size.

Andykp wrote:If it’s just HH then it sucks. Epic needs ORKS.

If they are basing it on Armageddon, then you already have the rules for Orks there and waiting. And a massive collection of original minis, a superb proxy range from Vanguard, and tons of 3D prints.

tauist wrote:Warhammer Fest Epic reveal?

If this turns out to be real, my 40K plans will change a great deal. Since the 90's, my preferred 40K ways to play have been skirmish level & epic, I could resume that with KT21/Epic HH and just collect a 40K army for the sake of building/painting.

It's a funny point, but I often wonder if this is why they stopped producing the scale in the first place. It's better to try and get people to buy entire tank companies, whole platoons of infantry, even super heavy tanks at 28mm scale and spend £1000s while doing so. I can very much imagine Tom Kirby saying those words when Apocalypse was being prepped. Of course, now the management has changed, and they can see the picture of that type of warfare working much better as a game at smaller scale.

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:On a new edition and damaging the community.

I have the rules for 2nd Ed. Missing Titan Legions (but £3,500.00 or so bonus in May should fix that) . What’s stopping me playing?

A lack of models. I mean, I’ve a proper complete set from the 2nd Ed Box, but that’s not really enough.

I could turn to 3D Printing. I could turn to 3rd Party sculpts. Or, GW relaunches the scale and I take the easy route, buying what will no doubt be lovely lovely models.

Very true. I think most of the worry about ruleset was from people that saw what happened to the Necromunda community when the new Necromunda release happened, which was to fragment it and destabilise. But, the Epic community is already pretty fragmented and I think most people are happy playing multiple versions of the game, so I don't think that will happen in this case.

PS - unless you get stuck in a bidding war, I would be very surprised if Titan Legions goes for that much

 Pacific wrote:

tauist wrote:Warhammer Fest Epic reveal?

If this turns out to be real, my 40K plans will change a great deal. Since the 90's, my preferred 40K ways to play have been skirmish level & epic, I could resume that with KT21/Epic HH and just collect a 40K army for the sake of building/painting.

It's a funny point, but I often wonder if this is why they stopped producing the scale in the first place. It's better to try and get people to buy entire tank companies, whole platoons of infantry, even super heavy tanks at 28mm scale and spend £1000s while doing so. I can very much imagine Tom Kirby saying those words when Apocalypse was being prepped. Of course, now the management has changed, and they can see the picture of that type of warfare working much better as a game at smaller scale.

I suppose so, we have seen what happened to 40K apoc.. 2 editions of apoc have came out and the game is at an impasse! I think current GW understands better to keep modern 40K contained to about 3000pts or less, and giving another go at Epic for larger scale conflicts. Kirby was wrong all along

Fact of the matter remains, only whales like collecting huge 28mm armies. A "typical" 40K franchise player wants to invest a couple hundred to be able to have fun with mates, apoc tier 28mm gaming is a niche within a niche hobby

I share the opinion, that a return of EPIC could prove that 40k Apoc failed as a product for GW and that they understood this.

I wonder how EPIC will impact the 30k community. In my opinon is EPIC more suited to represent Battles in the Horus Heresy (or the Great Crusade) than 30k or 40k rules.

 Pacific wrote:

It's a funny point, but I often wonder if this is why they stopped producing the scale in the first place.

Goonnhamer did a pair of articles where they talk to GW studio staff from the 90's and explore what happened to specialist games in that era. Not a quick read, but quite interesting.

https://www.goonhammer.com/what-happened-to-gorkamorka-part-one-gorkers-and-morkers/
https://www.goonhammer.com/what-happened-to-gorkamorka-part-two-the-hulk/

Andykp wrote:
If it’s just HH then it sucks. Epic needs ORKS.

.. and Squats and Eldar and Nids etc...

Happy if they start with Heresy - limits the risk and simple marine vs marine. won't be impressed if they spend the next 2 years producing different armour marks at 6mm scale for them..It needs a breadth of factions long term rather than narrow depth of a few imperial factions.

Andykp wrote:
If it’s just HH then it sucks. Epic needs ORKS.

Yeah right but who is buying them?

I want epic HH for the simple reason that I’d much prefer land raiders and rhinos over dumb looking Repulsors and Impulsors.

 Strg Alt wrote:

Andykp wrote:
If it’s just HH then it sucks. Epic needs ORKS.

Yeah right but who is buying them?

Depending on price? Epic players in general.

One of the joys of Epic as a snivellin’ Grot of strictly limited means, was pocket money comfortably bought a new Blister, or perhaps plastic box. That in itself was a comfortable expansion of my army.

You got to 4,000 points pretty quickly. And with the 2nd Ed Set coming with not one, not two, but three armies? You had strong encouragement to expand those into more cohesive forces. And….we did.

Of course, that’s 30 or so years ago. And no I’m not expecting the pricing to be the same. Nor do I even have a clue what Pocket Money looks like these days. See rather sensibly I’ve spared humanity one or more mini-me’s running around clogging things up, so I singularly lack the point of reference.

But the structure is the thing. £20, £25 to get a new tank squadron? I can work with that. And going off AT Knights? That price might be about right. https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Boxed-Games?N=3281529261+3459573098&Nr=AND%28sku.siteId%3AGB_gw%2Cproduct.locale%3Aen_GB_gw%29&Nrs=collection%28%29%2Frecord%5Bproduct.startDate+%3C%3D+1680447960000+and+product.endDate+%3E%3D+1680447960000%5D

Because when you can make one purchase and have a complete unit ready to go? It kind of feels like better value. Even if the old plastic infantry boxes ring in at £50? You’re still getting an embarrassment of stuff for your money. And it’s all usable. Especially in 2nd Ed Terms, where things could be fielded at company strength, or detachment strength.

 xttz wrote:

 Pacific wrote:

It's a funny point, but I often wonder if this is why they stopped producing the scale in the first place.

Goonnhamer did a pair of articles where they talk to GW studio staff from the 90's and explore what happened to specialist games in that era. Not a quick read, but quite interesting.

https://www.goonhammer.com/what-happened-to-gorkamorka-part-one-gorkers-and-morkers/
https://www.goonhammer.com/what-happened-to-gorkamorka-part-two-the-hulk/

Thanks for those, interesting reads. The warmaster we almost got would have been amazing. Oh well, GW will GW.

My main hope for any remake of Epic, no matter what specific moniker they use for it, is that it will allow creativity at -pardon the pun- a scale that has been absent from the warhammer universe for more than a decade since the advent of their policy to only represent stuff in the background that has rules, models and can be purchased right now. A lot of the designs for 40k saw the light of day as epic sculpts because technology and economic viability to have them in 'proper' 40k scale just was not there, and it was a slow trickle once they started to port these concepts over in the early 2000s. I think the smaller scale of Epic allows for new, imaginative stuff with much less investment than a full 40k model or even army, and that's a breath of fresh air that the universe desperately needs. If we have to suffer another glut of marines and marine-related units to get there, so be it.

Tsagualsa wrote:
My main hope for any remake of Epic, no matter what specific moniker they use for it, is that it will allow creativity at -pardon the pun- a scale that has been absent from the warhammer universe for more than a decade since the advent of their policy to only represent stuff in the background that has rules, models and can be purchased right now. A lot of the designs for 40k saw the light of day as epic sculpts because technology and economic viability to have them in 'proper' 40k scale just was not there, and it was a slow trickle once they started to port these concepts over in the early 2000s. I think the smaller scale of Epic allows for new, imaginative stuff with much less investment than a full 40k model or even army, and that's a breath of fresh air that the universe desperately needs. If we have to suffer another glut of marines and marine-related units to get there, so be it.

Hope: GW gives us Epic:HH and the glut of marines and marine based tanks that Lenton seem unable to stop spewing at 28mm level for that timeframe. THEN we could get Epic:Crusade Imperial Armies, Vast Ork hordes, Wily, Enigmatic and abhorrent Eldar.

THE DREAM: Some non compliant human add ons so we can all force illumination on those who reject the Imperial Truth. Tyranids and Tau.

The reality: we'll get an 'Epic' amount of Primaris LT variants released for 10th.

Valrak via Bolter and Chainsword:

Can I just add that my Epic at Fest is just speculation on my part, I know it’s out this year and I’m hearing at the end of Summer so Fest makes most sense.

RazorEdge wrote:

Valrak via Bolter and Chainsword:

Can I just add that my Epic at Fest is just speculation on my part, I know it’s out this year and I’m hearing at the end of Summer so Fest makes most sense.

Okay, so 'I know that Epic will be at Warhammer Fest' is speculation, got it

Let me cite directly from the video transcript:

3:52
the Dreadnought so they have to have
3:54
something big to show off at warmerfest
3:56
at the end of April I know epic epic
3:59
Horrors heresy will be shown off there
4:01
for people who you know gonna say oh
4:02
it's gonna be that yeah but what about
4:04
for one or 40 000 as well anyway we're
4:07
getting off track so

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8cE1ASmoZ8

Crude youtube auto-transcript aside, that's unambiguous, and his B&C statement is backpedaling.

Tsagualsa wrote:

RazorEdge wrote:

Valrak via Bolter and Chainsword:

Can I just add that my Epic at Fest is just speculation on my part, I know it’s out this year and I’m hearing at the end of Summer so Fest makes most sense.

Okay, so 'I know that Epic will be at Warhammer Fest' is speculation, got it

Let me cite directly from the video transcript:

3:52
the Dreadnought so they have to have
3:54
something big to show off at warmerfest
3:56
at the end of April I know epic epic
3:59
Horrors heresy will be shown off there
4:01
for people who you know gonna say oh
4:02
it's gonna be that yeah but what about
4:04
for one or 40 000 as well anyway we're
4:07
getting off track so

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8cE1ASmoZ8

Crude youtube auto-transcript aside, that's unambiguous, and his B&C statement is backpedaling.

So....Valrak is going to do a big Gotcha! 'I lied when I said I was speculating. FOOLS!?'
Or he cant clarify his previous statements?

 bullyboy wrote:
I want epic HH for the simple reason that I’d much prefer land raiders and rhinos over dumb looking Repulsors and Impulsors.

Well said. No one needs the new, hot trash.

 Mr. Burning wrote:

Tsagualsa wrote:

RazorEdge wrote:

Valrak via Bolter and Chainsword:

Can I just add that my Epic at Fest is just speculation on my part, I know it’s out this year and I’m hearing at the end of Summer so Fest makes most sense.

Okay, so 'I know that Epic will be at Warhammer Fest' is speculation, got it

Let me cite directly from the video transcript:

3:52
the Dreadnought so they have to have
3:54
something big to show off at warmerfest
3:56
at the end of April I know epic epic
3:59
Horrors heresy will be shown off there
4:01
for people who you know gonna say oh
4:02
it's gonna be that yeah but what about
4:04
for one or 40 000 as well anyway we're
4:07
getting off track so

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8cE1ASmoZ8

Crude youtube auto-transcript aside, that's unambiguous, and his B&C statement is backpedaling.

So....Valrak is going to do a big Gotcha! 'I lied when I said I was speculating. FOOLS!?'
Or he cant clarify his previous statements?

He said before that his trusted sources said Epic was coming at the end of the year and that he personally speculated that it would be shown at Adepticon. In this other video, he said he 'knew' it was coming at Warhammerfest. He probably misspoke and/or used 'know' when he wanted to say 'guess' or whatever, but still he made this statement in public. I think we can give him the benefit of doubt when he publicly clarifies that he was just speculating, but i'd obviously still prefer if there was no need to do that...

Valrak haters gonna hate, it seems.

How far off was he about 10th? Not that I care. Rumours prior to a release are rumours prior to a release. If you get so upset about buying into rumours prior to a release then... well, I dunno, you deserve to get upset. Over buying into rumours before a release. Maybe take up a hobby or something.

Clearly if it doesn't happen at Warhammerfest, it'll be happening later in the year. Or sometime next year. Or the year after that.

It’s probably not going to happen at Warhammer Fest, due to all of the 10th edition stuff that will surely be going on. Also, Valrak has already commented on B&C that he just assumed it would be announced there, and that his source never said it would be.

Im guessing that if Epic does happen this year, then it won’t be revealed until after 40K is released.

FYI - there have been no new AT or AI plastics since November 2021.