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 Alpharius wrote:
A 'true' historic Istvaan box would be a rather asymmetrical affair, wouldn't it?

Hopefully it all sells well enough and we can get a "Great Crusade" supplement with Orks, Eldar, etc.

Sure, but they can do what they always do, and pick a sub-conflict somewhere on the edge of the 'true' history™ happening

I can see an Ullanor set myself, as it was the Orks being crushed at Ullanor which largely removed them from the Galactic stage during the Heresy.

Eldar of all stripes would still have been reeling from the birth of Slaanesh, as that event is what first caused the Warpstorms that sundered man’s previous empire, and blew them away allowing The Emperor to launch the Great Crusade.

Necrons were around, but super patchy. They wouldn’t awaken in any great number for Millenia.

Nids were far, far away,

Kin were busy doing what they do.

Tau weren’t even a glimmer in the Milkman’s eye.

I'm looking forward to seeing what they can do compared with fans using 3d printing.

Tsagualsa wrote:
The unit icons in the teaser where SoH and IH legions, which is possible on Istvaan. As for your timeline, Valrak mentioned late summer to fall for the first releases.

Has anyone identified the other icon on the Imperial Fists side?

There’s Imperial Fists, a Titan, and two units which I can’t quite make out the symbol for, looks like three horizontal bars the top one of which is broken in two.

Tsagualsa wrote:

 Tastyfish wrote:

No_Marines_Here wrote:
I'm not very knowledgeable about their release history, but would it be fair to surmise that this pushes Epic into... late 2024? The tiny teaser seems to dash hopes of this year and next summer is Sigmar-shaped.

If some of the more in depth rumours are true, and it's an Istvaan box, I think we're looking at the start of the 3-month window. Which would put the next announcement end of July/August, after the launch of 40K 10th edition.
Give it another 3 months of previews and hype and we're at the October/November slot.

The unit icons in the teaser where SoH and IH legions, which is possible on Istvaan. As for your timeline, Valrak mentioned late summer to fall for the first releases.

Wasn't it Imperial Fists not Iron Hands? Would also make more sense since normal HH also has those as poster boys


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twentypence wrote:

Tsagualsa wrote:
The unit icons in the teaser where SoH and IH legions, which is possible on Istvaan. As for your timeline, Valrak mentioned late summer to fall for the first releases.

Has anyone identified the other icon on the Imperial Fists side?

There’s Imperial Fists, a Titan, and two units which I can’t quite make out the symbol for, looks like three horizontal bars the top one of which is broken in two.

Could it maybe be an Aquila?

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:


Tau weren’t even a glimmer in the Milkman’s eye.

I could imagine a 40K music video where Imperial Guardsmen are performing a cover of Ernie The Fastest Milkman in the West, filmed on the frontline.

RazorEdge wrote:
There is another rumor saying that this new Epic installment is the last GW Game with Jervis Johnson involved.

That is really interesting! I wonder if that means the game is more likely to be like Epic 40,000 in that case? As I believe there was a quote from Jervis saying he really loved the effeciency of that system.

As for Great Crusade or other race expansions? That seems like a logical next step, perhaps they will wait and see what the sales numbers are like. But, as long as the rules copy or are close to a previous version of the game, subbing in those rules and getting 3d prints or proxy minis will be straightforward.

 Matrindur wrote:

Tsagualsa wrote:

 Tastyfish wrote:

No_Marines_Here wrote:
I'm not very knowledgeable about their release history, but would it be fair to surmise that this pushes Epic into... late 2024? The tiny teaser seems to dash hopes of this year and next summer is Sigmar-shaped.

If some of the more in depth rumours are true, and it's an Istvaan box, I think we're looking at the start of the 3-month window. Which would put the next announcement end of July/August, after the launch of 40K 10th edition.
Give it another 3 months of previews and hype and we're at the October/November slot.

The unit icons in the teaser where SoH and IH legions, which is possible on Istvaan. As for your timeline, Valrak mentioned late summer to fall for the first releases.

Wasn't it Imperial Fists not Iron Hands? Would also make more sense since normal HH also has those as poster boys


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twentypence wrote:

Tsagualsa wrote:
The unit icons in the teaser where SoH and IH legions, which is possible on Istvaan. As for your timeline, Valrak mentioned late summer to fall for the first releases.

Has anyone identified the other icon on the Imperial Fists side?

There’s Imperial Fists, a Titan, and two units which I can’t quite make out the symbol for, looks like three horizontal bars the top one of which is broken in two.

Could it maybe be an Aquila?

On repeat inspection in better resolution you are correct, it's Imperial Fists, not Iron Hands.

 Matrindur wrote:

twentypence wrote:

Has anyone identified the other icon on the Imperial Fists side?

There’s Imperial Fists, a Titan, and two units which I can’t quite make out the symbol for, looks like three horizontal bars the top one of which is broken in two.

Could it maybe be an Aquila?

I do believe you’re right, I’m sure I’ve seen that squished Aquila before, maybe Solar Auxilia.

If I can haz this new Epic launch box before xmas, I'll be a happy man. If not.. well, I can wait. Even my 28mm main army aint going nowhere until spring/summer 2024

I hope the rumours about 2nd ed Space Marine being a big influence turn out to be true.. That's my fave flavour of Epic right there (simple enough to learn fluently but hard to master)

If its going to take that long then they should release something decent for AT and AI in the mean time.

SamusDrake wrote:
If its going to take that long then they should release something decent for AT and AI in the mean time.

A new terrain set, or ruins compatible with the current AT terrain!

Oooooooooo...I think I will!

Sorry, I didn't purchase the manufactorum set. Was happy at the thought...

The manufactorum set is easily my favorite small scale terrain kit ever!

I wonder if it'll be something like Epic Siege of Terra, or something like that.

 cole1114 wrote:
I wonder if it'll be something like Epic Siege of Terra, or something like that.

I could see FW setting things up in the Siege of Cthonia book for an Epic scale battle to focus on and finish off that storyline, then the next HH campaign book can focus elsewhere.

 tauist wrote:
If I can haz this new Epic launch box before xmas, I'll be a happy man. If not.. well, I can wait. Even my 28mm main army aint going nowhere until spring/summer 2024

 Pacific wrote:

RazorEdge wrote:
There is another rumor saying that this new Epic installment is the last GW Game with Jervis Johnson involved.

That is really interesting! I wonder if that means the game is more likely to be like Epic 40,000 in that case? As I believe there was a quote from Jervis saying he really loved the effeciency of that system.

Fun fact - this October will be 20 years since Jervis wrote the Epic Armageddon book. With the new 40k landing on the 40th anniversary of Warhammer, will they aim for another one?

 cole1114 wrote:
I wonder if it'll be something like Epic Siege of Terra, or something like that.

I'm OK with this

No_Marines_Here wrote:
I'm not very knowledgeable about their release history, but would it be fair to surmise that this pushes Epic into... late 2024? The tiny teaser seems to dash hopes of this year and next summer is Sigmar-shaped.

Valrak predicted the preview based strictly on the release timetable he claims to have been provided with (i.e. his source didn't mention the preview, but a release that fits the schedule that Valrak claims he's been told would require the preview to appear when it did). He's been saying before the end of this year.

However, as always when a rumor is involved, exercise caution.

 xttz wrote:
Fun fact - this October will be 20 years since Jervis wrote the Epic Armageddon book. With the new 40k landing on the 40th anniversary of Warhammer, will they aim for another one?

And November will be 35 years since Adeptus Titanicus was released, so they could certainly make something of that as well.

Based purely on the Warhammer Fest preview of AT in 2018 where we saw models and got an August release, and the Fest preview of AI in 2019 where we saw just a trailer and got a November release, I’m guessing November.

 cole1114 wrote:
I wonder if it'll be something like Epic Siege of Terra, or something like that.

I think they'll cover a number of battlefields in various campaign books like they did with Titanicus.

 Breotan wrote:

 cole1114 wrote:
I wonder if it'll be something like Epic Siege of Terra, or something like that.

I think they'll cover a number of battlefields in various campaign books like they did with Titanicus.

I could see:

Istvaan
Prospero
Tallarn
Calth
Cthonia
Terra

With the Thematic SoH vs. IF - I guess we will see 8mm MkVI Marines? (even when I hope for a mix of MkII, MkIII and MklV)

 Pacific wrote:

RazorEdge wrote:
There is another rumor saying that this new Epic installment is the last GW Game with Jervis Johnson involved.

That is really interesting! I wonder if that means the game is more likely to be like Epic 40,000 in that case? As I believe there was a quote from Jervis saying he really loved the effeciency of that system.

If Jervis is involved then using 3rd edition Epic for the ruleset seems highly unlikely. He got pretty badly burned by the ... unimpressed response from Epic players to Epic 40,000.

Epic 40,000 was based on rules devised by Jervis (and developed with Andy Chambers and Gav Thorpe IIRC). They were very proud of it and as far as I know they still are. But the player base did NOT get on with it. Too different to the previous Space Marine / Titan Legions ruleset.

Epic Armageddon was Jervis's next attempt and is basically "Epic revised by popular demand!" It's the game fans wanted to play. The previous edition is the game Jervis wanted to play. He said in the old Epic 40,000 magazines while developing Epic A that he had to eat humble pie and give the people what they wanted.

Part of this involved adding more detail and crunch (aka fiddly special rules) back into the game, although not to the level of 2nd ed Epic.

Another part involved putting more 'flavour' into the units by borrowing the approach Andy Chambers had used for Battlefleet Gothic--giving each unit its own fluff entry instead of just a quick overview.

A third part involved a more competitive tournament-focused approach. Epic 40K was much more about scenarios and DIY ideas, in keeping with the general ethos of WFB and 40K around that time. (5th ed WFB came out just before Epic 40K, and 3rd ed 40K came out just after, and all three had lots of scenarios in their rulebooks.)

I love Epic 40,000 myself but I don't expect it to ever come back, sadly. And if it did it would cause a ruckus all over again.

Shame, really, but I don't expect them to go back to Epic 40k either. Much more likely to use E:A.

Not that it really matters, as the rules are still available.

RazorEdge wrote:

 Breotan wrote:

 cole1114 wrote:
I wonder if it'll be something like Epic Siege of Terra, or something like that.

I think they'll cover a number of battlefields in various campaign books like they did with Titanicus.

With the Thematic SoH vs. IF - I guess we will see 8mm MkVI Marines? (even when I hope for a mix of MkII, MkIII and MklV)

Perhaps. If I were to put money on it, I'd bet they'll go with MkIV armor. The round exhausts + no pimpled shoulder pad makes it easier to model for plastic in that scale.

Iracundus wrote:

Go back further beyond Epic 40K. Epic 2nd edition and Titan Legions were a core line of GW's alongside WHFB and 40K. Epic 40K crashed and burned because they threw out the old Epic system entirely and that alienated the existing player base.

Indeed - 1st and 2nd ed ended up being the third lines for GW pre LotR, though 2nd ed started to flag hence 3rd. Which was pretty much a master class in upsetting fans - make models 2-10x's more expensive, change the basing (later clarifications didn't undo damage) and massively change the rules system (which ironically was recycled with great success for BFG).

To be honest, that trailer makes me think more of an Apocalypse set of rules for Horus Heresy than the return of Epic. Meaning still using the 32mm miniature range, just with rules for playing big battles faster.

I don't see the reason to still use the same logo rather than their separate game logo like their other games if it was meant to be a teaser for Epic 6mm/8mm new range.

 Pacific wrote:

Rumour going around in one of the Epic FB groups is that the person designing is a big Space Marine 2nd edition fan, so the rules are based off of that rather than Epic Armageddon.

I'd be a little surprised if that's the case, as as much as I love that ruleset, it won't allow the granular detail that Armageddon would allow for something like different Legion stats and ways of differentiating. Epic SM 1st edition was of course the original HH set, but I think would probably be a bit clunky to play now, so who knows?

I would be disappointed as the ruleset isn't that great, but unsurprised. 4th ed plays like a wargame and with Warmaster is a fairly unique ruleset for GW (both being done by designers as an adjunct to their GW work in some ways), 2nd ed was far more the common style of GW game.

Sarouan wrote:
To be honest, that trailer makes me think more of an Apocalypse set of rules for Horus Heresy than the return of Epic.

Yeah, I get the same or similar vibe. I wouldn't be surprised if it just ended up being a Horus Heresy themed set of hex tiles for Mighty Empires.

Sarouan wrote:
To be honest, that trailer makes me think more of an Apocalypse set of rules for Horus Heresy than the return of Epic. Meaning still using the 32mm miniature range, just with rules for playing big battles faster.

I don't see the reason to still use the same logo rather than their separate game logo like their other games if it was meant to be a teaser for Epic 6mm/8mm new range.

Titanicus seems to occasionally come under the Heresy banner.