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Maybe, just maybe, in this instance the clickbsit video guy knew what he was talking about.
No he doesn't. The point of a clickbait video is to make content that you will want to see. Talking about about a schedule is as old as there are Epic rumors. Everytime someone tells them they were wrong and just pushed the dates later in the future. Then one day their "prediction" gets right and they will say "I told you" for that time - and hope you forget all the times they were wrong before.
Just stop hyping for nothing, that's my advice. When there is a confirmation on Warhammer Community is the only time you can begin to be enthousiast...and even so, I now tend to be only when the pre-orders are officially on. That stupid trailer we got at the Fest preview is not enough for me to believe, honestly. I got disappointed so many times in the past about "Epic return" topics I can't be bothered for this one.
Pacific wrote: I agree, but the only mitigating factor for that is if they use an existing ruleset like Epic Space Marine or Armageddon as the template for the new rules.
Then we can just sub in the rules from NetEpic, Net Armageddon etc.
True, we got some of that with AI and Titanicus - even though the significant difference in model size is showing when put next to the old models. But I wonder if it's really the majority or if it's more an exception. I mean, people using old systems already have 3D printing for a lot of their needs. Why bother with GW's expensive products ? You know that if Epic returns, prices for the models will be revolting. Just look at AI and Titanicus (not even talking about FW models...and we know that's where all Specialist Games will end up anyway ).
So, not to read into things too much, but a friend who owns a pretty large/successful game store, that traditionally sells a good amount of Adeptust Titanicus, just told me that when asking his distributors about restocks of the starter box, they were told the item was "no longer available".
That could mean absolutely nothing, it could mean some reboxing or sku changes... could be absolutely anything... but it is one more curiosity in the realm of "where there's smoke there's fire..."
What, you mean like for almost every single claim that person attributed to their trusted sources, dozen of times, for months now? Quit talking nonsense, that's absolutely impossible
There's a big difference between "MY SOURCE SAID THAT EPIC IS COMING OUT SOON(tm)!" and "Based on the timetable my source has given me, I predict that there will be a teaser trailer for it at the GW event next week."
Particularly when it turns out that there actually *was* what looks like a teaser trailer for Epic at the GW event the next week.
The former is the usual vague stuff that will be forgotten when it's finally time to call the rumor monger on it. The latter was a prediction with a firm and immediate expiration date, without time to be forgotten if the rumor monger was making up stuff just to grab clicks.
I've no idea what Valrak's usual hit or miss ratio on rumors is. But based on the accurate prediction of the teaser trailer, he does appear to know something about the release timetable for the upcoming game. That doesn't mean that all of his rumors should be given the same weight. As I said in a previous post, he seems to be less confident about the "Marines vs Army" prediction that he made for the starter box set.
What, you mean like for almost every single claim that person attributed to their trusted sources, dozen of times, for months now? Quit talking nonsense, that's absolutely impossible
There's a big difference between "MY SOURCE SAID THAT EPIC IS COMING OUT SOON(tm)!" and "Based on the timetable my source has given me, I predict that there will be a teaser trailer for it at the GW event next week."
Particularly when it turns out that there actually *was* what looks like a teaser trailer for Epic at the GW event the next week.
The former is the usual vague stuff that will be forgotten when it's finally time to call the rumor monger on it. The latter was a prediction with a firm and immediate expiration date, without time to be forgotten if the rumor monger was making up stuff just to grab clicks.
I've no idea what Valrak's usual hit or miss ratio on rumors is. But based on the accurate prediction of the teaser trailer, he does appear to know something about the release timetable for the upcoming game. That doesn't mean that all of his rumors should be given the same weight. As I said in a previous post, he seems to be less confident about the "Marines vs Army" prediction that he made for the starter box set.
1. Adjust your sarcasm detector, i was agreeing with you
2. I do believe in the accuracy of Valraks rumours because
3. I am literally the person running a tracker of Valrak's accuracy for some months now, and do actually know how reliable his trusted sources are (spoiler: very)
Another video, this time with rumours for a bunch of stuff: https://youtu.be/pou10BZl6tU - Jump Assault Marines are coming with the launch of the SM codex
- Jump Assault Intercessors, to be specific
- Jump Assault Captain
- Terminator Chaplain (most repeated rumour ever )
- Terminator Ancient
- Brand new Biovore for Tyranids
- New Genestealers
- Killteam/Spacehulk ambiguous mumblings
- Horus Heresy: Legion Imperialis based on Epic, but not 'officially Epic'
- Release date: at the end of summer, around same time as SM/Tyranid Stuff (doubtful)
- Warhammer: TOW
- Advises huge amount of salt: TOW launch box set is the last release of this year
- Early next year books and stuff for the non-starter ranges
MaxT wrote: Ok, so after all the “Epic is coming!!!1!” statements, the latest rumour is that it isn’t in fact coming 😂
Just means it's going to be a 30K game instead of 40K one (Epic was a 40K game during most of its lifecycle)
"The larger point though, is that as players, we have more control over what the game looks and feels like than most of us are willing to use in order to solve our own problems"
Nothing really new in that video but over on Bolter&Chainsword he also said in a comment that he heard about a plastic Malcador tank for this which is interesting
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It’ll be a shame if that proposed timeline is accurate.
Sandwiching epic between 10th Ed and ToW is going to squeeze available production and hit sales hard, especially with epic and ToW sharing the retro game niche.
twentypence wrote: It’ll be a shame if that proposed timeline is accurate.
Sandwiching epic between 10th Ed and ToW is going to squeeze available production and hit sales hard, especially with epic and ToW sharing the retro game niche.
They're very different games, though, aimed at very different audiences.
I just hope it won't be too long until we actually hear anything official about it.
It would probably be two different reveals, one to actually show what it is and another to show the full box. Also since it will be a new gamesystem I don't think they would only do this via a community post but in actual reveal shows.
If the rumour about end of summer (so probably September?) is true, those could be Nova and Gencon in August or maybe we'll get another summer reveal show like last year at the beginning of July?
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MaxT wrote: Ok, so after all the “Epic is coming!!!1!” statements, the latest rumour is that it isn’t in fact coming 😂
Although that 'not officially epic' could mean anything, from a radically different game, to something that is close but not a match to what Epic was when it stopped being released previously.
I think if it's an Epic system like for example Armageddon, but in a 30k setting, that would be very reasonable to me to call that 'Epic' especially as, as Malika pointed out, the very first edition of the game had the 30k setting.
keep in mind when Adeptus Titanicus was re-released its a table top game using dice and titans, as was the 1st edition, the games don't have much else in common
it could be that, something is coming, but it will be very different to what was Epic
I think it's probably because the marketing folks at GW understand that slapping the 'Epic" label on a game will create a lot of expectations that in this case will go unmet. It feels like this is going to be a limited-scope game compared to proper Epic, and aimed at the existing 30K community rather than the wider 40K audience.
And maybe the reason it can get squeezed between two large releases is because it isn't an overly large release itself.
gorgon wrote: I think it's probably because the marketing folks at GW understand that slapping the 'Epic" label on a game will create a lot of expectations that in this case will go unmet. It feels like this is going to be a limited-scope game compared to proper Epic, and aimed at the existing 30K community rather than the wider 40K audience.
And maybe the reason it can get squeezed between two large releases is because it isn't an overly large release itself.
Disturbingly possible, it may end up as an unsupported one-shot like e.g. Dreadfleet.
To my mind the marine vs marine rumours for a box set feel more likely than marine vs guard simply because it involves fewer sprues and less support from GW.
twentypence wrote: To my mind the marine vs marine rumours for a box set feel more likely than marine vs guard simply because it involves fewer sprues and less support from GW.
that and it fits in with the Heresy era its likely aimed at alongside the Titans
guard could, like most other factions, get what they had in 1st edition days, a plastic frame for all the "non-vehicle" stuff, though hopefully a slightly larger frame with more variations, and then another for the primary vehicles (say for IG a chimera or three, a Leman Russ, maybe an artillery chassis with a few drop on tops for it as options etc)
they are then very easy, and quite small, releases in terms of boxes later, plus the associated book
Disturbingly possible, it may end up as an unsupported one-shot like e.g. Dreadfleet.
While it's possible, I would be surprised. GW has made a point to make the titans and fliers the same scale with each other. That would suggest that they're keeping an eye toward forward compatibility with a combined arms game. While we don't know for sure what the scale will be on the new game, it would seem an awful waste on GW's part to release it at a different scale. And if they do release it at the same scale and it's a one-shot, it would be a very clear case of wasted potential. At the very least, they'd have to know that if they did just release a self-contained one-shot, players would almost immediately create house rules for adding the titans and fliers, and start demanding more product.
In short, a one-shot release would leave it in a very odd spot. That doesn't make it impossible, by any means. But it does make it less likely, imo.
Of course, the whole thing could still be moot because we're completely misreading things. We won't know until GW finally gives us more than a teaser about what it is.
schoon wrote: Just because the title of the game has changed doesn't mean that it's not based on the same system as "Epic." Not really concerned about that.
AT18 hit the shelves in August, and I'd expect this to be similar (or later).
August/September is likely when the new starter sets for 40k and new nid and marine codices come out
The Phazer wrote: Epic hasn't had Epic in the name on the box for most of its existence.
Yeah...no
Adeptus Titanicus (1988)
Space Marine: Epic Battles in the Age of Heresy (1989)
Space Marine: Epic conflict in the war-torn universe of the 41st Millennium
Epic 40,000 (1997)
Epic Armageddon (2003)
so Epic has been around for 35 years, and for checks notes...34 of those, it has had Epic "in the name on the box"
Now my maths is a little rusty but I think 34 is a bigger part of 35 than 1 is
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11527pts Total (7400pts painted)
4980pts Total (4980pts painted)
3730 Total (210pts painted) 
