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 gorgon wrote:
I think it's probably because the marketing folks at GW understand that slapping the 'Epic" label on a game will create a lot of expectations that in this case will go unmet. It feels like this is going to be a limited-scope game compared to proper Epic, and aimed at the existing 30K community rather than the wider 40K audience.

Yeah I think this is the right answer. Epic was Heresy-only for a very short period, with the rest of it acting as the foundation for many of the xenos & chaos units currently seen in 40k.

GW may want to spend a while building up Heresy-era Imperial & Chaos content (and seeing how well that sells) before investing into xenos stuff under the Epic brand.

I can totally see Legiones Imperialis being just a one off box to start with, kind of like Space Hulk reissues, this would be a reissue of the original Space Marine game

Of course, it the one off does better than expected, GW will create more stuff.. but this way, they'd take minimal risk (og Space Marine game owners will autobuy just for nostalghia value) while giving more incentive for people to invest into AT18 & AI. I know I'd buy into Adeptus Titanicus if I could also field infantry and tanks, this kind of one off box would "open the floodgates"

Well, it doesn't matter what they name it, if it's 5 little guys to a base and tiny rhinos Epic is what everyone will call it.

Limited release of the sort of AT or AI, core box and then some accompanying packs with some plastics, is absolutely fine by me. Whole bunch of extra people playing Epic, and providing the rules use one of the old systems as a template (which I am optimistically taking as a given) there is a whole extra world of 3rd party and 3D print support just waiting to expand that limited official pack. And I think a lot of people will be fine with that.

Even when the new Ruleset ois trash....

Up-to-date HH Marines in plastic for Free Epic Rulesets!

RazorEdge wrote:
Even when the new Ruleset ois trash....

Up-to-date HH Marines in plastic for Free Epic Rulesets!

He's got a point. If the HH rules don't float your boat, there's always NetEpic.

I suspect that there will be a lot of NetEpic regardless since this will just be Imperium vs Imperium. Players will want to run their filthy xenos armies. But hopefully the rules will be good enough to make fun games of human interfighting, at least

The question now is how long after Leviathan we'll need to wait for the next news on this game.

Eumerin wrote:
The question now is how long after Leviathan we'll need to wait for the next news on this game.

Both AT and AI had a 2-3 month quiet period after their announcement, then ramped up coverage in the month before, so I’m not expecting to hear any more until July / August.

Titanicus had an odd release, since it was initially rumored as a resin game, but interest was so high they retooled it to be plastic and thus delayed when it actually came out.

Someone from a german Warhammer Forum is reporting.

"Ordered a Warlord Titan for AT; got it in a white Box without AT Logo"

RazorEdge wrote:
Someone from a german Warhammer Forum is reporting.

"Ordered a Warlord Titan for AT; got it in a white Box without AT Logo"

Interesting, they switched to boxes with a printed desing on it some time ago, there's weird stuff going on then. We also had reports of SKU numbers getting changed some time ago, it all points towards $things happening.

The standard Warlord Titan is a Direct Only product, that's likely all that is going on.

Well... What if... What if...

Ok its not probable but what if they expand legiones to include Great Crusade xenos races. So instead of getting lets say Eldar we would get Rangdan.

Not gonna happen maybe but it would be great for GW to try something different.

Glumy wrote:
Well... What if... What if...

Ok its not probable but what if they expand legiones to include Great Crusade xenos races. So instead of getting lets say Eldar we would get Rangdan.

Not gonna happen maybe but it would be great for GW to try something different.

I think introducing a new race in a new system is generally risky - better to first do some known armies, to establish how different types of forces play and feel, before branching off into new stuff and unknown territory. Any system set in the Heresy that does not cover at least the majority of the principal factions involved (i.e. the various Imperial and Heretic factions of SM, Guard, Mechanicum and Custodes at least) does just leave money on the table in favour of risky experiments.

That being said, i could see such an approach in an (eventual) 30k Battlefleet Gothic remake - the must-dos could be completed relatively soon in that system, and leave room for juicy stuff like the Rangdan wormships or whatever.

 Kanluwen wrote:
The standard Warlord Titan is a Direct Only product, that's likely all that is going on.

Very likely just that but if it was the plasma warlord it could be that they will get repackaged with epic branding in a few months and they already ran out of old boxes

 Matrindur wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
The standard Warlord Titan is a Direct Only product, that's likely all that is going on.

Very likely just that but if it was the plasma warlord it could be that they will get repackaged with epic branding in a few months and they already ran out of old boxes

I might be misremembering, but didn't they switch to black boxes with artwork on them for direct only stuff some months ago?

Glumy wrote:
Well... What if... What if...

Ok its not probable but what if they expand legiones to include Great Crusade xenos races. So instead of getting lets say Eldar we would get Rangdan.

Not gonna happen maybe but it would be great for GW to try something different.

Xenos players will raze Nottingham to the ground if GW releases a footnote faction ahead of the staples.

If 30k Epic lands well enough, I'm sure GW would be more than willing to release a 40k version down the line and happily re-sell a fresh wave of 8mm Primaris to the Marine players while catering to everyone else along the way.

40k, 40k, 40k

why s everyone expecting 40k when they maybe expand that new Epc Game with Xenos. They will surely expand it into the Great Crusade IF they do this. Why release Imperial Forces a second time and make the first one completely obsolete.

With that Setting, they can do much more that with the 40k Setting.

RazorEdge wrote:
40k, 40k, 40k

why s everyone expecting 40k when they maybe expand that new Epc Game with Xenos. They will surely expand it into the Great Crusade IF they do this. Why release Imperial Forces a second time and make the first one completely obsolete.

With that Setting, they can do much more that with the 40k Setting.

Hmm. Why's everyone expecting 40k? Good question. What could possibly lead anyone to that conclusion?

1) 40k is GW's most popular and profitable IP, while great crusade-era Xenos are a completely unknown quantity
2) There's a whole bunch of legacy Epic players with vested interests in Epic Xenos armies coming back, if they don't do it they're leaving money on the table gambling that there's enough interest in GC-era Xenos armies, Vs the proven popularity of 40k Xenos
3) They did this exact thing before. Epic(Space Marine) was a HH game, and then it transitioned to a 40k-era game the very next edition.
4) There are already designs for all the 40k Xenos races' epic-scale units. Takes a bunch of lead time off making the models if you can just go "Take this 40k unit and make it 1/4 the size" or "take this Epic unit and make it 1/3 bigger" vs starting from scratch with "What's the Laer version of a titan?" or "How to Jorgall counter armoured batallions?"
5) "We will make an obscene amount of money" beats "what if we did something new and interesting?" 99% of the time

there are many, many good reasons to assume any Epic expansion will move to 40k, and basically no good reasons to assume it'll use Great Crusade xenos races

I think 40K will naturally come up in conversation because 1) Epic has been set in the 40K universe for most of its existence, and 2) there are many more customers already attached to/familiar with the 40K factions. I also think it's clear that the lack of xenos factions has held AT back a bit.

Becouse we want mini carnifex and mini crisis suits and mini necron obelisks and mini defilers and mini battle sisters and mini all 40k

Charax wrote:

RazorEdge wrote:
40k, 40k, 40k

why s everyone expecting 40k when they maybe expand that new Epc Game with Xenos. They will surely expand it into the Great Crusade IF they do this. Why release Imperial Forces a second time and make the first one completely obsolete.

With that Setting, they can do much more that with the 40k Setting.

Hmm. Why's everyone expecting 40k? Good question. What could possibly lead anyone to that conclusion?

1) 40k is GW's most popular and profitable IP, while great crusade-era Xenos are a completely unknown quantity
2) There's a whole bunch of legacy Epic players with vested interests in Epic Xenos armies coming back, if they don't do it they're leaving money on the table gambling that there's enough interest in GC-era Xenos armies, Vs the proven popularity of 40k Xenos
3) They did this exact thing before. Epic(Space Marine) was a HH game, and then it transitioned to a 40k-era game the very next edition.
4) There are already designs for all the 40k Xenos races' epic-scale units. Takes a bunch of lead time off making the models if you can just go "Take this 40k unit and make it 1/4 the size" or "take this Epic unit and make it 1/3 bigger" vs starting from scratch with "What's the Laer version of a titan?" or "How to Jorgall counter armoured batallions?"
5) "We will make an obscene amount of money" beats "what if we did something new and interesting?" 99% of the time

there are many, many good reasons to assume any Epic expansion will move to 40k, and basically no good reasons to assume it'll use Great Crusade xenos races

IMHO, if we see any 'Great Crusade' era Xenos it will be the ones that can do double duty for 40k, meaning mostly Orks for a start, possibly some Eldar, and maybe Squats/Votann before we see anything else. It's just a matter of economical viability, and designs already existing, just like you noted.

I expect the upcoming game to be more or less self contained - a nice, big box of nostalgia, like the Quest releases.

If it sells like gangbusters, I'm sure GW will consider spinning up an actual product line sometime in the future.

 Kiiroitori wrote:
Becouse we want mini carnifex and mini crisis suits and mini necron obelisks and mini defilers and mini battle sisters and mini all 40k

Just because we want these doesn't mean FW will make them. 3d printer go brrrrrrrrrr...

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 Pacific wrote:
Yes right, I don't think many in the existing community will care that much if it doesn't get a massive range. We have several decades worth of proxies and now 3D print alternatives.

This is similar now to the amount of 'new' blood bowl players complaining about the lack of an official new Vampire team box. Everyone else that played during the years when the game was unsupported just shrugs and chooses one of the 15 different teams you have available on Comixinios or a 3D print

Apparently there will be news of an upcoming online preview this week, so fingers crossed...

SamusDrake wrote:
Apparently there will be news of an upcoming online preview this week, so fingers crossed...

I'd guess the new 10th ed starters and marine and nid codices as a reveal right now.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

SamusDrake wrote:
Apparently there will be news of an upcoming online preview this week, so fingers crossed...

I'd guess the new 10th ed starters and marine and nid codices as a reveal right now.

Maybe as a pre-announcement, but they have this whole thing with the 'special preview' for the winner of the Leviathan release event thingy going, i don't think we'll see substantial stuff for either SM or 'nids before that. It might just be some sort of announcement of their usual GenCon or NovaOpen preview shows, both of these are not that far off.

Tsagualsa wrote:

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

SamusDrake wrote:
Apparently there will be news of an upcoming online preview this week, so fingers crossed...

I'd guess the new 10th ed starters and marine and nid codices as a reveal right now.

Maybe as a pre-announcement, but they have this whole thing with the 'special preview' for the winner of the Leviathan release event thingy going, i don't think we'll see substantial stuff for either SM or 'nids before that. It might just be some sort of announcement of their usual GenCon or NovaOpen preview shows, both of these are not that far off.

Yeah that doesn't end until July 9th and any preview being announced before that probably won't include much SM or Tyranid content.

At most we're likely to see the long term 40k starter set. Then there's possible previews for other game systems like AOS Cities of Sigmar, The Old World, the next KT set, aaaaaand hopefully a followup on that 'Epic' teaser.

Nope! No Primaris Lieutenants allowed!

SamusDrake wrote:
Nope! No Primaris Lieutenants allowed!

Are you a witch?



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