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 Pacific wrote:
So there we go, Epic (or Legions Imperialis) is confirmed.

A couple of things I have taken from it.
Scale - so a dreadnought almost the size of a 28mm marine, 8mm marines with a *lot* of detail. So they are taking the 'Wakes Emporium' route of how to do this game, I hope you enjoyed having your eyesight!

Minitaures in the box - combined with the round bases, there was no mention of rules but Im gonna say that rules out Epic SM/NetEpic type rules. There aren't enough minis in the box for even a half decent game of SM2, I dont think Epic 40k either - so I think this will either be based on Armageddon, or something else new entirely.

Epic Armageddon is not a bad ruleset, pretty conductive to the 'Heresy Experience' as a whole i would say, and also at about the level of complexity they'd feel comfortable with for a mass release game. Epic 40k is 'too simple' and the older rulesets are a bit too fiddly for their liking imho.

Confirmed in the article it will launch in August

Small bases look like about 30mm. Infantry looks bigger than 8mm, TBH. More like 10mm.

Better wait for the comparison sizes of the releases before warming up the 3D printer.

Apparently, everything is in the book, army lists included. Still, it's another big one...wonder how complicated the rules will be.

 Pacific wrote:
So there we go, Epic (or Legions Imperialis) is confirmed.

A couple of things I have taken from it.
Scale - so a dreadnought almost the size of a 28mm marine, 8mm marines with a *lot* of detail. So they are taking the 'Wakes Emporium' route of how to do this game, I hope you enjoyed having your eyesight!

Minitaures in the box - combined with the round bases, there was no mention of rules but Im gonna say that rules out Epic SM/NetEpic type rules. There aren't enough minis in the box for even a half decent game of SM2, I dont think Epic 40k either - so I think this will either be based on Armageddon, or something else new entirely.

I find interesting to see that the infantry proportions are basically the regular 40k ones, meaning (for the scale) tiny, tiny heads/hands and the like. Which is... I mean, it looks cool, but it will be that much harder to paint. Also, I'd say it might have a bit too much detail, for the size (looking at the auxilia here, although as they weill be mostly printed metal I guess it's pretty doable).

 Pacific wrote:


Minitaures in the box - combined with the round bases, there was no mention of rules but Im gonna say that rules out Epic SM/NetEpic type rules. There aren't enough minis in the box for even a half decent game of SM2, I dont think Epic 40k either - so I think this will either be based on Armageddon, or something else new entirely.

I have no doubt that a fairly high proportion of the people buying this launch box will have enough AT titans and knights to get a full sized Epic game on day one.

Hopefully they plan to use this new system as an opportunity to explore units & concepts more comfortable in Epic scale, rather than starting by just duplicating every HH tank variant. Things like Rapier scout titans and Ordinatus engines would be amazing to see here.

The way the guys kept talking about detail levels, I think this is going to take a more high-price/boutique approach to the minis and releases. The minis themselves do look lovely and you can see the effort that has gone into painting them.

I wouldn't be surprised at all if there is no acknowledgement at all of proxies or 3D printing, and the prices are eye watering. So, this is to pick up those gamers that collected Epic back in the day on pocket money, those people are now grown adults who will pay £200-300+ for the nostalgia factor. It can't be priced cheaply enough that AoD suffers, but I reckon that was the marketing pitch.

Looking forward to seeing the sprues.

I’m seriously hoping the infantry attach to the sprue on the underside of their “base”, like old Epic. That made it super easy to paint them on the sprue, then sort out the basing.

 xttz wrote:

 Pacific wrote:


Minitaures in the box - combined with the round bases, there was no mention of rules but Im gonna say that rules out Epic SM/NetEpic type rules. There aren't enough minis in the box for even a half decent game of SM2, I dont think Epic 40k either - so I think this will either be based on Armageddon, or something else new entirely.

I have no doubt that a fairly high proportion of the people buying this launch box will have enough AT titans and knights to get a full sized Epic game on day one

Yes although usually the GW starter boxes will have enough forces in them to have a decent-sized game, that was the point I was trying to make. So you can make some assumption of the rules format based on that.

Wait a minute. They’ll have to delay the release.

See, August is MOT month, and I can’t be sure the Doc Mobile will pass it without some repairs.

They’ll just have to delay it to September.

So these are gonna be the box contents, then?



Hm... I mean, it's pretty decent, and given how exploded everything is now in the sprues, and the scale difference with the vehicles, titans and everything, to be expected, but... even so, I can't help but feel a little bit disappointed.



Quite probably part of it is because I already have 8 Warhounds and I really need no more, even with new guns, but still ^^. The Epic 40.000 box was utterly incredible.

So Xenos in 2030?

Does anyone remember how much the old Epic 40k was on release? I kinda would like to know how much that was in today's moneys

 Shadow Walker wrote:
So Xenos in 2030?

Probably see Dæmons before then. That’d be quite a sight, hordes of Dæmons flooding around tanks and infantry and colossal greater dæmons

 Shadow Walker wrote:
So Xenos in 2030?

Maybe, if they release another game.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Looking forward to seeing the sprues.

I’m seriously hoping the infantry attach to the sprue on the underside of their “base”, like old Epic. That made it super easy to paint them on the sprue, then sort out the basing.

The minis seem to be moulded at an odd angle to the sprue. Look carefully and you can see big, sloping blocks of plastic filling what would be gaps in a multipart kit. The painter has done their best to hide them, but they look pretty bad.

I’m mainly hoping that the inclusion of Solar Auxilia heralds good news to come about plastic Auxilia in the larger scale game.

MDG - well you will need to see if you can manage on public transport for a month

Albertorius - yes I think that illustrates it well really. 6 -> 8mm scale change from the old game, much less abstraction, v high detail levels. If you're painting that much detail, you won't be able to cope with the volumes of minis that the original game used.

 Albertorius wrote:
Does anyone remember how much the old Epic 40k was on release? I kinda would like to know how much that was in today's moneys

Probably around the £40-£50 mark, as that’s what the old boxed games used to cost.


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 Pacific wrote:
MDG - well you will need to see if you can manage on public transport for a month

Whilst I only commute one day a week, at £70 for a return ticket that’s a solid no 🤣🤣

Seriously what else could it have been. They were practically beating us over the head with it with the first teaser.

 Albertorius wrote:
Does anyone remember how much the old Epic 40k was on release? I kinda would like to know how much that was in today's moneys

Epic 40k was £50 on release, which is approximately £100 today.

Between the plastic titans and hardback rulebook I'd be surprised if this new launch box is under £120.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Wait a minute. They’ll have to delay the release.

See, August is MOT month, and I can’t be sure the Doc Mobile will pass it without some repairs.

They’ll just have to delay it to September.

Hopefully they do a GW and put it up for pre-order on the 26th for release on the 2nd Sept, depending on when the MOT is it might give you a bit of time to save some pennies!

Also, in terms of unit prices we may be able to form a guess based on Aeronautica.

Xiphon Interceptors are £30 for 6. So I think we might see the same model count and price point for roughly same sized tanks, like Rhinos.

Fire Raptors are £30 for 2, so we may see that for Land Raider and equivalent sized vehicles.

A lot of existing players are going to be waiting for the ruleset reveal (which there was absolutely nothing about in the reveal), if it's similar to an existing one it will be no trouble porting rules from old games into this one for Eldar, Orks etc.

I wonder though if they will have moved the rules 'off base' enough to make them unusable though. They have already done that with both the scale of the new game and round basing, which I would estimate will invalidate about 80-90% of existing armies (if you are sensitive about that sort of thing), based on what I have seen within the community.

 Albertorius wrote:
Does anyone remember how much the old Epic 40k was on release? I kinda would like to know how much that was in today's moneys

I don't unfortunately. I think (off the top of my head) SM2 was £50-60.

 xttz wrote:

 Albertorius wrote:
Does anyone remember how much the old Epic 40k was on release? I kinda would like to know how much that was in today's moneys

Epic 40k was £50 on release, which is approximately £100 today.

Between the plastic titans and hardback rulebook I'd be surprised if this new launch box is under £120.

I seem to remember 10.000 pesetas here in Spain, back in the day (60 euros). Will be fun to see xD

 Albertorius wrote:
Does anyone remember how much the old Epic 40k was on release? I kinda would like to know how much that was in today's moneys

Epic 40k was £50 I believe. I do have the price list kicking about, but only from after the box set was gone and they released the rules separately.

Was there no mention of what material the minis where? Its odd the article is only mentioning plastic sprues for things like the extra warhound weapons, but that could just be clarification as they were made in resin before.

I suspect this will be pushing €200 release, they won't want it to eat into 28mm sales after all

 Original Timmy wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Wait a minute. They’ll have to delay the release.

See, August is MOT month, and I can’t be sure the Doc Mobile will pass it without some repairs.

They’ll just have to delay it to September.

Hopefully they do a GW and put it up for pre-order on the 26th for release on the 2nd Sept, depending on when the MOT is it might give you a bit of time to save some pennies!

Thinking about it, I should be OK. If I book in for late July, I’ll have a pot of £700 to pay for any work that needs doing. And the Tax falls due again 1 August.

Guess I should get on the blower to my local garage. Or seeing as it’s just down the end of the road not be such a lazy anus and just take a wander.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

 Albertorius wrote:
Does anyone remember how much the old Epic 40k was on release? I kinda would like to know how much that was in today's moneys

Probably around the £40-£50 mark, as that’s what the old boxed games used to cost.


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 Pacific wrote:
MDG - well you will need to see if you can manage on public transport for a month

Whilst I only commute one day a week, at £70 for a return ticket that’s a solid no 🤣🤣

£50 in 1997 comes out at around £120 today, would not be too bad, Leviathan was £150

I'd expect more about £40 for the vehicles.

Real question is how they will package the infantry, but I'm not expecting the same amount as old Epic.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Also, in terms of unit prices we may be able to form a guess based on Aeronautica.

Xiphon Interceptors are £30 for 6. So I think we might see the same model count and price point for roughly same sized tanks, like Rhinos.

Fire Raptors are £30 for 2, so we may see that for Land Raider and equivalent sized vehicles.

Those are my thoughts too, possibly slightly less going on the smaller vehicle size.

So definitely not going to be possible to get the volume of stuff I have for old Epic, never mind an MoT that would be equivalent of buying another vehicle!

And in terms of potential 40kification with Xenos?

Epic is a pretty easy game to expand. If what we’re seeing is them sticking with mixed infantry sprues, then most armies would only require a box or two of equivalent.

So in terms of time and effort, it’s not a massive sink to get a new army out the door, especially compared to 40K as you can churn out dozens of units, without needing to do dozens of kits.

For what is worth, €60 of 1997 would be €103.27 in today's money.

Just a fun data point.