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There are 10 terminators, 10 assault marines, 10 plasma support marines and 10 missile launcher devastators, so 5 of each on a sprue.

2 contemptors or sentinels per sprue make sense. Ogryn are smaller, and make up for the fact that the solar troops are slightly smaller than the astertes, so take up less total sprue space.

For other units, I would guess 4 rhinos per sprue, a support tank sprue with 2 vindicators and a scorpios, Land Raiders 2 per sprue, and Spartans as one per sprue but options for cerberus or typhon.

 Breotan wrote:

I thought this at first, but I think the Ogrins are actually taking that spot. The Sentinals are also appear to be a lot more complex than the Dreadnaughts, requiring more pieces on a sprue.

On the other hand, the Ogryns, despite having 3 less per base, don't seem all that bigger than standard infantry. They may be one or two pieces more but I think space on sprue is negligible.

 judgedoug wrote:
As someone with multiple 2nd edition armies and a ton of playtime I can absolutely tell you that Epic 40k's armies play _completely differently_ to each other while Epic 2nd was primarily a difference in weapon statlines, and that "flavor" argument went right out the window. What happened was it became less granular (and sped up gameplay tremendously) and the rules focused on how units and detachments performed (and sped up your decision making tremendously). Epic 40k _added_ the flavor and the playstyles of each army actually feels right

So very much this... in my own experience, Epic 40k armies are the ones that play more like the fluff say they should. It's really cool.


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MrHobbles wrote:
So that's $275 of miniatures, then you have the rules, dice etc on top. A slight discount and I reckon it's a $200-250 box.

That price, to me, would be on the "fething bonkers" level for what you get there. No way no how I'd buy in at that price.


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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
The game's really going to use the old templates? They take on a whole new meaning at a game of this scale. I take it they're for use with Titans?

Also: two HQs, two squads of Terminators, 4 Squads of Marines, a Heavy Weapon Squad, a Special Weapon Squad, an Assault Squad, 3 Predators, 2 Sicarians and 4 Dreads.

Seems... not epic. To me. Feels more like a a big game of 40k (or 30k).

Jut so, yeah. The contents of the box simply don't feel Epic.

Epic 40k is my favourite because it's fun to build an army, but when it actually comes to playing the game each model feels as inconsequential as it should for a game of that scale.

It just wasn't the game the community wanted unfortunately.

Anyway, I can't decide whether I'm excited or not.

1. Mould lines, argh, I can't imagine how much of a nightmare they'll be. Back as an 11 year old building my Epic force back in the 90's I didn't care enough to bother cleaning off the mould lines. 30-something me will not be able to endure the mould lines, but I can already feel my hands cramping.

The model detail doesn't seem any better than the 3D prints I have sitting here on my desk, and the 3D prints require so little clean up, just clip off the base support and maybe 1 or 2 supports on each squad and it's ready to paint.

2. 2x Warhounds in the box? Really? They couldn't have given us more new Epic stuff instead?

3. It's probably going to be insanely priced.

4. I just don't trust modern GW not to screw up the rules.

5. If it sucks, I hope it doesn't splinter the already small community.

6. Did we really want to see Solar Auxilia? Of all the options of a starter set, they never even crossed my mind. Not saying they should never have done them, but probably would have preferred them flesh out the Marines more. I don't really know the fluff behind Solar Auxilia, did a lot of them turn to Chaos such that they can be used in either loyalist or traitor armies?

7. For all my half-completed armies, do I start basing them with the new (25mm?) round bases or stick to the 40mm strips... I'll probably put my armies on halt until it comes out and I decide whether to go with the new rules or stick with the old rules.

I dunno, I'll probably buy it unless it's insanely expensive because I'm a sucker for the tiny dudes, but I'm reserving my excitement for now.

My issue is, GW already has logistics issues plaguing support for now what are supposed to be 3 mainline games. 40k, AoS and HH. This is another one and then we have ToW aswell.

Is further diversifying the right call here?

Not Online!!! wrote:
My issue is, GW already has logistics issues plaguing support for now what are supposed to be 3 mainline games. 40k, AoS and HH. This is another one and then we have ToW aswell.

Is further diversifying the right call here?

They're different team with separated production line. Games that would likely be affected by LI hogging the production slots would be Necromunda, Blood Bowl, and MESBG.

Chopstick wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:
My issue is, GW already has logistics issues plaguing support for now what are supposed to be 3 mainline games. 40k, AoS and HH. This is another one and then we have ToW aswell.

Is further diversifying the right call here?

They're different team with separated production line. Games that would likely be affected by LI hogging the production slots would be Necromunda, Blood Bowl, and MESBG.

Are you sure about that?

AllSeeingSkink wrote:


6. Did we really want to see Solar Auxilia? Of all the options of a starter set, they never even crossed my mind. Not saying they should never have done them, but probably would have preferred them flesh out the Marines more. I don't really know the fluff behind Solar Auxilia, did a lot of them turn to Chaos such that they can be used in either loyalist or traitor armies?

Yeah there were traitor Solar Auxilia (and personally I’m very glad to see them here).

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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
The game's really going to use the old templates? They take on a whole new meaning at a game of this scale. I take it they're for use with Titans?

Also: two HQs, two squads of Terminators, 4 Squads of Marines, a Heavy Weapon Squad, a Special Weapon Squad, an Assault Squad, 3 Predators, 2 Sicarians and 4 Dreads.

Seems... not epic. To me. Feels more like a a big game of 40k (or 30k).

Jut so, yeah. The contents of the box simply don't feel Epic.

This below is an 3000 points Imperial Guard army for Epic Armaggedon :



Doesn't feel Epic too, does it ?

I played a lot of EA games even after the support ended. Regular ones usually played at 3000 points (which already is a lot). There weren't that many more miniatures on the table in most of them. The "Epic feel" you have in mind were usually much huger collections put together, but rarely in a single game (like 6000 or 10000 points).

In this new edition, the box include 2 Titans (they costed a lot in EA as well) and some Malcadors...who could be considered as Super Heavy Tanks as well (they're the ancestors of the Baneblade, after all).

More over, it's a starter box. You know starter boxes aren't the endgame for list buildings, don't you ?

Wait for the rules and the costs before saying it "doesn't feel Epic". That's how previous iterations of the game worked too.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
Epic 40k is my favourite because it's fun to build an army, but when it actually comes to playing the game each model feels as inconsequential as it should for a game of that scale.

It just wasn't the game the community wanted unfortunately.

Anyway, I can't decide whether I'm excited or not.

1. Mould lines, argh, I can't imagine how much of a nightmare they'll be. Back as an 11 year old building my Epic force back in the 90's I didn't care enough to bother cleaning off the mould lines. 30-something me will not be able to endure the mould lines, but I can already feel my hands cramping.

The model detail doesn't seem any better than the 3D prints I have sitting here on my desk, and the 3D prints require so little clean up, just clip off the base support and maybe 1 or 2 supports on each squad and it's ready to paint.

2. 2x Warhounds in the box? Really? They couldn't have given us more new Epic stuff instead?

3. It's probably going to be insanely priced.

4. I just don't trust modern GW not to screw up the rules.

5. If it sucks, I hope it doesn't splinter the already small community.

6. Did we really want to see Solar Auxilia? Of all the options of a starter set, they never even crossed my mind. Not saying they should never have done them, but probably would have preferred them flesh out the Marines more. I don't really know the fluff behind Solar Auxilia, did a lot of them turn to Chaos such that they can be used in either loyalist or traitor armies?

7. For all my half-completed armies, do I start basing them with the new (25mm?) round bases or stick to the 40mm strips... I'll probably put my armies on halt until it comes out and I decide whether to go with the new rules or stick with the old rules.

I dunno, I'll probably buy it unless it's insanely expensive because I'm a sucker for the tiny dudes, but I'm reserving my excitement for now.

1. I've been building some of the more modern 40k/AoS daemon kits this week (Pink horrors & Blue horrors in fact) and the mould lines are bizarrely almost none existent! I would be hoping these kits would be on par with the blue horrors, as they are tiny in comparison to other modern kits!

2- I agree the warhounds are a bad choice. I suspect they will be the model that everyone that buys into this will end up with too many off as they will be package in every big set or owned already by existing AT players. I will probably end up finding a way to give them rush paint jobs to get through how I would end up with, or end up with a lot of crashed warhound terrain!

3. This set alone will be the same cost as a decent sized full army from somewhere like vanguard!

4. I agree with you- it would be lovely if they put out some good rules for this. But I've seen the mess of necromunda, kill team, warcry...and I just know they won't be able to resist piecemealing the rules out over a load of books.

5. I don't think this will affect the community as much as GW might think it would. I don't think the target audience is really anyone that has played Epic before, its really aiming for those AT players that want a 'pure GW' hobby experience. If they had wanted to reach the wider community, I'd have thought they would have gone for a more diverse release than HH only and not changed bases/size of minis yet again.

6. I was surprised by how much I like these, but I do think including Solar Auxilia is the one thing that shows they have no interest in moving this past 30k even if it is popular. I'm very behind in my reading of the HH, but I never really noticed their inclusion to the setting prior to the forgeworld minis release.

7. I'm sticking with my 40mm! If the new minis don't fit on the 3rd ed bases, then I might move up to using warmaster bases for the new stuff!

Not Online!!! wrote:
My issue is, GW already has logistics issues plaguing support for now what are supposed to be 3 mainline games. 40k, AoS and HH. This is another one and then we have ToW aswell.

Is further diversifying the right call here?

Yeah....I don't see them being able to keep this in stock and fully supported in a way that makes it the success GW will want it to be to keep it going more than a year or two!

They have enough trouble keeping the games they have already in stock right now. I suspect the old world will take up a huge amount of resources as well!

I'm honestly expecting to have to treat this as a limited release, order from multiple sources and cancel orders last minute if they manage to keep stock levels available! I don't think this will be a game where you can balance buying an army bit by bit, I might have to hoard anything I think I will want early on!

Malcadors are heavy tanks nowadays, sizecreep has conditioned the average 40k player well

In terms of Traitors? Remember during the Crusade, each Compliance Fleet was a hodge podge of different wings of the Imperial Armies.

Not every fleet necessarily had the same mix, true. But when a Legion turned coat, so did its supporting forces, with any remaining loyalists either fleeing or being purged.

As for cost? Age of Darkness contains £345.00 RRP of goodies, including the rulebooks, for a £185 RRP.

So eyeballing around a 45% discount before we go looking for an online discount from our favoured crack dealer.

We can also see that Heresy stuff seems to have a more favourable (no that is not a synonym for cheap) price than 40K. Not massively so, but lower is lower (hey look, I’m deliberating not using the word cheap or cheaper).

Not Online!!! wrote:
Malcadors are heavy tanks nowadays, sizecreep has conditioned the average 40k player well

Who says they will have the same role in this new game than in 40 ? You, so far, apparently.

Albertorius - yes if it's that price I think it will be dead in the water. Some of us will still get it as we're into Epic enough already, but for the average casual fan that will be too much.
I am really hoping (considering it's not a bumper box of contents and stuff like the WH are already produced) for £100-120 for the starter set, and that to be closer to £80 with FLGS discount.
If it goes for that much, it has a chance to get kick-started.

Not Online!!! wrote:
My issue is, GW already has logistics issues plaguing support for now what are supposed to be 3 mainline games. 40k, AoS and HH. This is another one and then we have ToW aswell.

Is further diversifying the right call here?

I guess it depends what perspective you take. If GW have capacity to produce what seems like 19 different types of Warcry starter sets of slightly different humans a year (borrowing a joke from Painty Men, using the classic fantasy trope of guys with cages on their heads) then they should probably manage this too

Sarouan wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:
Malcadors are heavy tanks nowadays, sizecreep has conditioned the average 40k player well

Who says they will have the same role in this new game than in 40 ? You, so far, apparently.

Well, it certainly is no leman russ mbt. and neither is it a chimera

Depends how big the sprues end up (hazy memory is of one approx half current standard sprue size) and how many to a unit box (was it two or four typically in the olden days?).

Because one of the joys of Epic is low production cost and time because you can squeeze so much on to a sprue.

Prediction because I’m looking at one right now with my eyes? Infantry will come on a Leviathan Termagant Sized Sprue.

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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
The game's really going to use the old templates? They take on a whole new meaning at a game of this scale. I take it they're for use with Titans?

Also: two HQs, two squads of Terminators, 4 Squads of Marines, a Heavy Weapon Squad, a Special Weapon Squad, an Assault Squad, 3 Predators, 2 Sicarians and 4 Dreads.

Seems... not epic. To me. Feels more like a a big game of 40k (or 30k).

Jut so, yeah. The contents of the box simply don't feel Epic.

This below is an 3000 points Imperial Guard army for Epic Armaggedon :



Doesn't feel Epic too, does it ?

I played a lot of EA games even after the support ended. Regular ones usually played at 3000 points (which already is a lot). There weren't that many more miniatures on the table in most of them. The "Epic feel" you have in mind were usually much huger collections put together, but rarely in a single game (like 6000 or 10000 points).

In this new edition, the box include 2 Titans (they costed a lot in EA as well) and some Malcadors...who could be considered as Super Heavy Tanks as well (they're the ancestors of the Baneblade, after all).

More over, it's a starter box. You know starter boxes aren't the endgame for list buildings, don't you ?

Wait for the rules and the costs before saying it "doesn't feel Epic". That's how previous iterations of the game worked too.

I'd also point out 40k is a lot bigger now as well, back then 1500 was the designed game size and the guard army shown wold be at least twice the size of a 40k army by headcount, never mind the fact it includes a lot of bigger units than guard had access to at 40k scale generally back then.

As a new player entering a new game I'd prefer a smaller table with fewer units on to begin with so I'm not financially crippled by none of my existing GW products being easily transferrable to a new scale. It can still be "epic" without "spam a million bases" I agree.

 Pacific wrote:
Albertorius - yes if it's that price I think it will be dead in the water. Some of us will still get it as we're into Epic enough already, but for the average casual fan that will be too much.
I am really hoping (considering it's not a bumper box of contents and stuff like the WH are already produced) for £100-120 for the starter set, and that to be closer to £80 with FLGS discount.
If it goes for that much, it has a chance to get kick-started.

You guys are naive. If Adeptus Titanicus managed to sell madly with those prices for single titans and boxes of Knights, it's simply because people compared it with FW prices for actual titans in 40k.

What do you think this game will compare to ? That's right, actual 40k (or more accurately, Horus Heresy - yes, it's still 40k to me, I don't care if it's supposed to be "10000 years before").

So as long as customers will see it as lower enough in comparison to a collection of equivalent in 32mm, it can be enough. Still, it's GW, we know its prices and it won't be cheap anyway, that's for sure.

As for supporting this game, it has the same advantage of HH : it's basically the same miniatures for all factions involved (traitors and loyalists). So you can release a box of miniature that can be used for either side. This is not The Old World situation where you have to release totally different boxes for each faction. This is something a side game can use for a long time by itself.

And of course, since it can use what's already existing for aircraft (AI) and titans (AT)...that's already easier.

Sarouan wrote:

This below is an 3000 points Imperial Guard army for Epic Armaggedon :



Doesn't feel Epic too, does it ?

Honestly? No, not really. This, again, was a 3000 points Space Marines army for Epic 40.000. IG would be between twice and thrice this:

I played a lot of EA games even after the support ended. Regular ones usually played at 3000 points (which already is a lot). There weren't that many more miniatures on the table in most of them. The "Epic feel" you have in mind were usually much huger collections put together, but rarely in a single game (like 6000 or 10000 points).

No, as I said, Epic 40k was literally designed to play with really Epic armies in the regular allotment of time. From the get go. 3k was a regular game, and you played with a gak ton of stuff.

In this new edition, the box include 2 Titans (they costed a lot in EA as well) and some Malcadors...who could be considered as Super Heavy Tanks as well (they're the ancestors of the Baneblade, after all).

More over, it's a starter box. You know starter boxes aren't the endgame for list buildings, don't you ?

No, this is a "launch box" as they have decided to call them right now. Like the AT one, back then, or the HH one, or Leviathan. You know launch boxes, don't you? On those, particularly the ones where you can field everything in the same army, you are expected to have enough gak to play a regular sized game.

Hence the pic should be just about a regular sized army.

Wait for the rules and the costs before saying it "doesn't feel Epic". That's how previous iterations of the game worked too.

As said above, no it doesn't. That is just E:A, which is a bit like mini Epic already.

 Kiiroitori wrote:
The bigger problem is....how much this gak will cost lol

Should be $40? Or $50? That way one could buy more boxes...but if they say $100....$150....then one will spend as if it was 40k

Wtf is with people and their unrealistic ideas? 2 titans, marines, humans and rulebook for less than 2 titans alone?

Wtf?

On army sizes. From 2nd Ed. And a peak inside one of my Holy of Holies, Space Marine Battles. No your eyes probably aren’t worthy, but this is for education so it’s probably ok

Battle Report between Andy Chambers and Richard Halliwell (RIP). 4,000 point battle. Which seems about the average. Certainly the size I used to play. Until Titan Legions came along with its 2,250 point Imperator

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
On army sizes. From 2nd Ed. And a peak inside one of my Holy of Holies, Space Marine Battles. No your eyes probably aren’t worthy, but this is for education so it’s probably ok

Battle Report between Andy Chambers and Richard Halliwell (RIP). 4,000 point battle. Which seems about the average. Certainly the size I used to play. Until Titan Legions came along with its 2,250 point Imperator

Funny, I seem to still see a gak ton more stuff there than in the new launch box

For reference: the games I've seen played for Epic: 40.000 usually were a thousand points for learning games, three to four thousand for regular games to be played in 3-4 hours.

 Pacific wrote:
I am really hoping (considering it's not a bumper box of contents and stuff like the WH are already produced) for £100-120 for the starter set, and that to be closer to £80 with FLGS discount.
If it goes for that much, it has a chance to get kick-started.

I reckon this is about right and it'll be around £105 before discount. I'd compare to the current Titanicus starter as well as the Necromunda Hive War box

 Albertorius wrote:

No, this is a "launch box" as they have decided to call them right now. Like the AT one, back then, or the HH one, or Leviathan. You know launch boxes, don't you? On those, particularly the ones where you can field everything in the same army, you are expected to have enough gak to play a regular sized game.
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Hahaha.

A) leviathan is launch box. Even if you added points together not average game.
B) are you sure this is launch box? Or not just starter. Or you expect gw do another starter set for this?


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 Albertorius wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
On army sizes. From 2nd Ed. And a peak inside one of my Holy of Holies, Space Marine Battles. No your eyes probably aren’t worthy, but this is for education so it’s probably ok

Battle Report between Andy Chambers and Richard Halliwell (RIP). 4,000 point battle. Which seems about the average. Certainly the size I used to play. Until Titan Legions came along with its 2,250 point Imperator

Funny, I seem to still see a gak ton more stuff there than in the new launch box

For reference: the games I've seen played for Epic: 40.000 usually were a thousand points for learning games, three to four thousand for regular games to be played in 3-4 hours.

Funny. This box is not going to have normal size. Maybe half if that.

MrHobbles wrote:
You only have to look at Aeronautica to take a guess at how this is going to priced. Using an example, in Aeronautica, 6x Xiphons in a box (3 per sprue, 2 sprues) is $50, and 2x Storm Eagles (1 per sprue, 2 sprues) in a box is $50.

Looking at the contents of the Legion Imperialis game, I'm predicting that:

* Each of the Marine infantry detachments is on its own sprue, with 2x Dreadnaughts on the sprue. You're getting two sprues worth (4x Dreadnaughts). I predict they'll sell two sprues seperately as a box for $50.
* The same for the Solar Auxilia infantry, with two sprues/detachments to a box, so another $50 there.
* The Predators will be 3 to a sprue like the Xiphons, with 2 sprues to a $50 box (6 tanks). So that's $25.
* The Sicarans looks middle sized, so maybe 4 to a box, 2 per sprue. So another $25.
* Similar logic with the Auxilia tanks, with two half boxes, making up $50.
* Finally the Warhounds - that's easy, a box of two costs $75.

So that's $275 of miniatures, then you have the rules, dice etc on top. A slight discount and I reckon it's a $200-250 box.

Again while some models will be similarly priced to Aeronautica I strongly think that the key units for Epic will be more affordable. A good benchmark is the fact that other specialist game core boxes with a similar amount of content are priced at £105 - £110 ($170 USD), and I don't see them going too far above that.

Rather than selling individual squads for £30-35 like in other games, last year's HH tactical squads are pushed more aggressively at 20 for £50. I believe we'll see a similar approach for Epic, with the core units bundled together and 'discounted'. For example rather than two infantry sprues for £30 they can sell them together with transports for ~£40.

I also believe GW will continue with the SKU consolidation they've done for other product ranges recently. Several kits have seen alternative sprues repackaged in the main box for a minor price bump. For example; I bet Reavers go from £37.50 to £40, but include the new style base, both weapon sprues, and thin card AT accessories so they're no longer stocked separately.

Feel free to quote this post and we'll see next month how my prediction pans out.

 RexHavoc wrote:

Yeah....I don't see them being able to keep this in stock and fully supported in a way that makes it the success GW will want it to be to keep it going more than a year or two!

They have enough trouble keeping the games they have already in stock right now. I suspect the old world will take up a huge amount of resources as well!

I'm honestly expecting to have to treat this as a limited release, order from multiple sources and cancel orders last minute if they manage to keep stock levels available! I don't think this will be a game where you can balance buying an army bit by bit, I might have to hoard anything I think I will want early on!

Yeah even though Leviathan is done now, I still have concerns about GW keeping up with demand. However the best case scenario for future Epic support would be this game selling out on release. The last thing we want is another Dominion or Dreadfleet situation, where GW are literally begging people to take excess stock.

Regardless of the stock situtation I doubt the core set will be a limited release though. They normally use clear terms like "launch box" for limited items, and everyone made the same assumption for the Age of Darkness box too but that remained available.

 Albertorius wrote:

More over, it's a starter box. You know starter boxes aren't the endgame for list buildings, don't you ?

No, this is a "launch box" as they have decided to call them right now. Like the AT one, back then, or the HH one, or Leviathan. You know launch boxes, don't you? On those, particularly the ones where you can field everything in the same army, you are expected to have enough gak to play a regular sized game.

Incorrect on both counts I'm afraid.

Firstly they avoided the term 'launch box' during the stream and instead it's described as a "core set". That implies it will remain in print like Age of Darkness.

Also literally none of the launch boxes or core sets had enough models for a regular sized game, even if you do field them all one side. This was broken down a couple of pages ago, with both other Heresy core boxes giving you around 50-60% of a typical army list.

Which is why it's useless to talk about "feelings of Epic" without knowing the rules and the point cost of involved units.

The "Epic feeling" is not an out of context thing ; it's always linked to the game system it comes from.

Also it's always subjective.

Besides :

 Albertorius wrote:


Honestly? No, not really. This, again, was a 3000 points Space Marines army for Epic 40.000. IG would be between twice and thrice this:

The point is, all of the armies shown in these pictures were never built from a single box, be it core, starter or launch. It's a collection built with time (and lot of money too).

Comparing it with that new box that will be obviously NOT the endgame of your collection is futile.

 Albertorius wrote:

No, this is a "launch box" as they have decided to call them right now. Like the AT one, back then, or the HH one, or Leviathan. You know launch boxes, don't you? On those, particularly the ones where you can field everything in the same army, you are expected to have enough gak to play a regular sized game.

A launch box is meant to be that, a launch of the new product. Book, accessories, assortment of new models. Nowhere is it said or even implied that it is meant to be an entire army in a box. Even Age of Darkness box is only around 1200 points or so, when hh is most suited for 2.5 to 3k

tneva82 wrote:
B) are you sure this is launch box? Or not just starter. Or you expect gw do another starter set for this?

I can't really say. The warhammer community page calls it a "huge Core Set containing a massive collection of exquisite epic scale miniatures".

Which, OTOH, is more or less the same they said for the Age of Darkness box, which gets you about 1900 points of stuff for a single army, which... yeah, it's about regular size full army, I'd say. So maybe that is coloring my expectations, here.

Funny. This box is not going to have normal size. Maybe half if that.

Time will certainly tell. Still, the actual stuff you get in the box doesn't seem to me like all that much, so price point will be the deciding point.

Albertorius - (said in Australian accent) "You call that an Epic Army?"

(Now fully expecting the same done back to me!)

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 Albertorius wrote:

No, this is a "launch box" as they have decided to call them right now. Like the AT one, back then, or the HH one, or Leviathan. You know launch boxes, don't you? On those, particularly the ones where you can field everything in the same army, you are expected to have enough gak to play a regular sized game.

A launch box is meant to be that, a launch of the new product. Book, accessories, assortment of new models. Nowhere is it said or even implied that it is meant to be an entire army in a box. Even Age of Darkness box is only around 1200 points or so, when hh is most suited for 2.5 to 3k

Age of Darkness box seems to be basically a full army, though:

You can get to around 1900 points.

- 2 20-man tacticals with lots of kit come to about 500-550 points. If you do 4 10-man tacticals instead, it could be more because the most pricy stuff is on the sergeant, but it isn't tactically that good, so I wouldn't.

- 1 10-man Cataphractii unit comes to around 450 points, but you should get plasma blasters or reaper autocannons somewhere, the heavy flamers don't really cut it, imo.

- Spartan is 400 points minimum, because you always take that flare shield.

- Dreadnought is around 200 points.

- The two praetors can be made into one praetor and some sort of Centurion Consul, which will get you to around 300 points for both of them.

So in total, around 1900 points.

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 Pacific wrote:
Albertorius - (said in Australian accent) "You call that an Epic Army?"

(Now fully expecting the same done back to me!)

Spoiler:

See I would fully expect to field that in an E:40k battle and play it over an afternoon


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Sarouan wrote:
The point is, all of the armies shown in these pictures were never built from a single box, be it core, starter or launch. It's a collection built with time (and lot of money too).

Comparing it with that new box that will be obviously NOT the endgame of your collection is futile.

And still, the last boxed set had two full armies . On the smaller size, but each one about 2-3 times as big as the ones in the new box ^^