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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
It’s definitely a fine balance.

Not just in “we could make them bigger, but do we want/need to for the game” ways, but also “do we want these to be a pain in the arse to batch paint quickly or not”.

Right now? They’re looking about nice. Weapons prominent and big enough to be noticeable, without requiring a great deal of painting ability to pick them out.

If they are anything like traditional Epic infantry, all the way up to the Warlord Epic Battles series of models, they take Contrast/Speed Paint BEAUTIFULLY. You can speed paint just a ton of stuff in an afternoon. I painted a few hundred Epic Tyranid figs with contrast in three sessions of a couple hours apiece while watching TV.

I recall even GW's old Epic 40k painting guides back in the day suggested a base + wash to get them battlefield ready. Contrast paint is essentially just combining both into one. My old 40k Imperial Fists were just yellow with a brown wash.

Although, these minis are faaaar more detailed...I may be tempted to put in a little more effort than previously.


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 tauist wrote:
With the book looking as thicc as it does, it's either going to have a flockton of lore or loads of datasheets for stuff

Going back to this, I've been going over the currently available information with a fine toothed comb (because I'm obsessed and can't wait), and hit across this paragraph in the original Warcom article:

The inclusion of Warhounds heralds the next bit of good news: all of your Adeptus Titanicus and Heresy-relevant Aeronautica Imperialis miniatures can be used in Legions Imperialis thanks to rules and unit profiles found in the massive Legions Imperialis Rulebook.

The bold is my emphasis, but this suggests to me that the core book that comes in the box (which I agree, is THICC) will contain rules for all the AT and AI ("heresy-relevant") miniatures currently released.

And given that it'd be weird if the book only contained rules for the units in the box + AT + AI, I'd also assume it contains rules for many more upcoming Legion Imperialis units.

What “factions” are there in Horus Heresy that are likely to make their way to LI?
We know Legiones Astartes (I assume at least 18 flavours of), Solar Auxilia, Knight Households, and Titan Legions have already been mentioned.
I assume Divisio Aeronautica, Custodes / Sisters of Silence, and Mechanicum. Possibly Daemons as a final wave.
Are there any other Imperial Guard style factions or anything else I’m missing?

So for anyone who thought AI wouldn't go away, everything except SM and Imperial Army flyers is on last chance to buy

MrHobbles wrote:

The inclusion of Warhounds heralds the next bit of good news: all of your Adeptus Titanicus and Heresy-relevant Aeronautica Imperialis miniatures can be used in Legions Imperialis thanks to rules and unit profiles found in the massive Legions Imperialis Rulebook.

The bold is my emphasis, but this suggests to me that the core book that comes in the box (which I agree, is THICC) will contain rules for all the AT and AI ("heresy-relevant") miniatures currently released.

And given that it'd be weird if the book only contained rules for the units in the box + AT + AI, I'd also assume it contains rules for many more upcoming Legion Imperialis units.

Now just have a little thinky-poos about the patterns evident in all of GW's other releases...

If you're not expecting rules split across a slew of different books, then you're deliriously over optimistic.

 Matrindur wrote:
So for anyone who thought AI wouldn't go away, everything except SM and Imperial Army flyers is on last chance to buy

Which is not remotely surprising, but certainly disappointing. Sales never seemed particularly great based on slowly starter sets sold out on discount sites like Element, and I had planned on picking up a small Air Caste fleet when I was done with main game armies for a while. Hopefully this isn't a sign of things to come for other SG systems.

twentypence wrote:
What “factions” are there in Horus Heresy that are likely to make their way to LI?
We know Legiones Astartes (I assume at least 18 flavours of), Solar Auxilia, Knight Households, and Titan Legions have already been mentioned.
I assume Divisio Aeronautica, Custodes / Sisters of Silence, and Mechanicum. Possibly Daemons as a final wave.
Are there any other Imperial Guard style factions or anything else I’m missing?

As AI fliers are included in the core rulebook, we have Divisio Aeronautica from day 1. Also the Ares Gunship from Adeptus Custodes on day 1 (also from AI).

It wouldn't surprise me to see Custodes filled out more so as time goes by, same with Mechanicum.

I doubt we'll be getting more Imperial Army besides the Solar Auxilia, but never say never...

Maybe we'll be seeing more super heavy variants for the Space Marines, as in variants of the Mastodon, Thunderhawk, and maybe even Stormbird.

twentypence wrote:
What “factions” are there in Horus Heresy that are likely to make their way to LI?

Anything produced as part of Forge World's 28mm Horus Heresy line will show up and anything else won't.

 Breotan wrote:

twentypence wrote:
What “factions” are there in Horus Heresy that are likely to make their way to LI?

Anything produced as part of Forge World's 28mm Horus Heresy line will show up and anything else won't.

Kind of. Old Epic of course had stuff and gubbins 40K didn’t. And even a few (now very few) 40K still has had. So we may see stuff entirely new on the tabletop.

well unless I'm mistaken we already have - the heavy sentinels

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

 Breotan wrote:

twentypence wrote:
What “factions” are there in Horus Heresy that are likely to make their way to LI?

Anything produced as part of Forge World's 28mm Horus Heresy line will show up and anything else won't.

Kind of. Old Epic of course had stuff and gubbins 40K didn’t. And even a few (now very few) 40K still has had. So we may see stuff entirely new on the tabletop.

Yeah some of the more niche stuff they won't want to produce 28mm kits for, but it'll be very low risk to put into Epic.

New infantry units are easy to squeeze alongside others into a single Epic infantry sprue. Ordinatus Majoris engines can be done with a plastic kit similar to the Epic scale titans, but might not be worth creating a substantial full resin kit for.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

 Breotan wrote:

twentypence wrote:
What “factions” are there in Horus Heresy that are likely to make their way to LI?

Anything produced as part of Forge World's 28mm Horus Heresy line will show up and anything else won't.

Kind of. Old Epic of course had stuff and gubbins 40K didn’t. And even a few (now very few) 40K still has had. So we may see stuff entirely new on the tabletop.

This is my hope to. One of the main benefits of Epic scale is that you can have some mental stuff that just isn't really practical in 28mm scale.

Remembering how Squats used to differ as an Epic faction, really they were far better represented in Epic than in 40k with their Land Trains and giant super-heavies. Even within the HH setting, some sort of giant Leviathan or Capital Imperialis would be super cool.

 Pacific wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

 Breotan wrote:

twentypence wrote:
What “factions” are there in Horus Heresy that are likely to make their way to LI?

Anything produced as part of Forge World's 28mm Horus Heresy line will show up and anything else won't.

Kind of. Old Epic of course had stuff and gubbins 40K didn’t. And even a few (now very few) 40K still has had. So we may see stuff entirely new on the tabletop.

This is my hope to. One of the main benefits of Epic scale is that you can have some mental stuff that just isn't really practical in 28mm scale.

Remembering how Squats used to differ as an Epic faction, really they were far better represented in Epic than in 40k with their Land Trains and giant super-heavies. Even within the HH setting, some sort of giant Leviathan or Capital Imperialis would be super cool.

Indeed, looking forward to some entries and experiments in Epic. Though, judging from some select Facebook comments, some people aren't happy that Epic is getting miniatures that aren't in 32mm yet. Expect that to increase as new stuff is put out for Epic

Complaints will be a given, no matter what GW does. Capitol Imperialis and huge Ordinatus thingies does sound cool, hope we will see them or something comparable in the near future

Charax wrote:
well unless I'm mistaken we already have - the heavy sentinels

I am strangely sure that if Solar IG is the mystery HH faction about to be released in plastic, then the HS kit in 32 mm is already made and about to enter production once GW will have some free machine slots.

People, quick, order some Sentinel boxes a month or two from now, maybe GW will do the whole mispack deal again

 zedmeister wrote:

 Pacific wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

 Breotan wrote:

twentypence wrote:
What “factions” are there in Horus Heresy that are likely to make their way to LI?

Anything produced as part of Forge World's 28mm Horus Heresy line will show up and anything else won't.

Kind of. Old Epic of course had stuff and gubbins 40K didn’t. And even a few (now very few) 40K still has had. So we may see stuff entirely new on the tabletop.

This is my hope to. One of the main benefits of Epic scale is that you can have some mental stuff that just isn't really practical in 28mm scale.

Remembering how Squats used to differ as an Epic faction, really they were far better represented in Epic than in 40k with their Land Trains and giant super-heavies. Even within the HH setting, some sort of giant Leviathan or Capital Imperialis would be super cool.

Indeed, looking forward to some entries and experiments in Epic. Though, judging from some select Facebook comments, some people aren't happy that Epic is getting miniatures that aren't in 32mm yet. Expect that to increase as new stuff is put out for Epic

I know there's always going to be someone unhappy, but that's a stupid thing to be unhappy about and people making that argument should be made to feel bad about themselves for thinking it

warl0rdb0b wrote:

 Matrindur wrote:
So for anyone who thought AI wouldn't go away, everything except SM and Imperial Army flyers is on last chance to buy

Which is not remotely surprising, but certainly disappointing. Sales never seemed particularly great based on slowly starter sets sold out on discount sites like Element, and I had planned on picking up a small Air Caste fleet when I was done with main game armies for a while. Hopefully this isn't a sign of things to come for other SG systems.

Weird thing is that all AI releases were stock allocated to retailers, at least locally, and I'd say 90% or more of it sold out on release. One would think that would be an indicator of healthy sales, if the majority of your first production run seems to be selling out, etc.

chaos0xomega wrote:

warl0rdb0b wrote:

 Matrindur wrote:
So for anyone who thought AI wouldn't go away, everything except SM and Imperial Army flyers is on last chance to buy

Which is not remotely surprising, but certainly disappointing. Sales never seemed particularly great based on slowly starter sets sold out on discount sites like Element, and I had planned on picking up a small Air Caste fleet when I was done with main game armies for a while. Hopefully this isn't a sign of things to come for other SG systems.

Weird thing is that all AI releases were stock allocated to retailers, at least locally, and I'd say 90% or more of it sold out on release. One would think that would be an indicator of healthy sales, if the majority of your first production run seems to be selling out, etc.

Wings of Vengeance was discounted by 30% as part of an overstock sale on GW's own website, something they very rarely do these days.

I also remember seeing some 3rd-party UK retailers unloading some of the aircraft boxes (particularly Tau ones) as part of Black Friday sales.

Pretty sure the Thunderhawk sold very well though.

chaos0xomega wrote:

warl0rdb0b wrote:

 Matrindur wrote:
So for anyone who thought AI wouldn't go away, everything except SM and Imperial Army flyers is on last chance to buy

Which is not remotely surprising, but certainly disappointing. Sales never seemed particularly great based on slowly starter sets sold out on discount sites like Element, and I had planned on picking up a small Air Caste fleet when I was done with main game armies for a while. Hopefully this isn't a sign of things to come for other SG systems.

Weird thing is that all AI releases were stock allocated to retailers, at least locally, and I'd say 90% or more of it sold out on release. One would think that would be an indicator of healthy sales, if the majority of your first production run seems to be selling out, etc.

In Australia, the Horus Heresy book sold out almost immediately and has never come back in stock. I don't get why the decision making sometimes.

Locally (based on talking to different stores) it seems like the initial AI release was really popular, selling out quickly and being restocked and selling okay at least initially. Then after that it stagnated, which is why I tend to blame the rules, but whether that's representative of the rest of the world I'm just guessing. There was also covid, which maybe stopped the 2nd and 3rd waves from catching on.




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 xttz wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:

warl0rdb0b wrote:

 Matrindur wrote:
So for anyone who thought AI wouldn't go away, everything except SM and Imperial Army flyers is on last chance to buy

Which is not remotely surprising, but certainly disappointing. Sales never seemed particularly great based on slowly starter sets sold out on discount sites like Element, and I had planned on picking up a small Air Caste fleet when I was done with main game armies for a while. Hopefully this isn't a sign of things to come for other SG systems.

Weird thing is that all AI releases were stock allocated to retailers, at least locally, and I'd say 90% or more of it sold out on release. One would think that would be an indicator of healthy sales, if the majority of your first production run seems to be selling out, etc.

Wings of Vengeance was discounted by 30% as part of an overstock sale on GW's own website, something they very rarely do these days.

I also remember seeing some 3rd-party UK retailers unloading some of the aircraft boxes (particularly Tau ones) as part of Black Friday sales.

Pretty sure the Thunderhawk sold very well though.

Wings of Vengeance didn't go on sale until well after the 2nd starter was released (can't remember if it was before the 3rd starter). I think Wings of Vengeance sold well initially, was restocked, but the demand didn't come back.

Yeah I remember Wings of Vengeance being sold out for a while, and then one day it suddenly reappeared in stock on the GW webstore and at some local stores, which is weird because everyone was told it would be a splash release like the other 2 player boxes.

warl0rdb0b wrote:

 Matrindur wrote:
So for anyone who thought AI wouldn't go away, everything except SM and Imperial Army flyers is on last chance to buy

Which is not remotely surprising, but certainly disappointing. Sales never seemed particularly great based on slowly starter sets sold out on discount sites like Element, and I had planned on picking up a small Air Caste fleet when I was done with main game armies for a while. Hopefully this isn't a sign of things to come for other SG systems.

It's the only GW game around here that nobody would even pick up the models to paint or even try to play a game. I've seen games of BFG, Epic, 30k, 40k, Warcry, KT, Necromunda, but never seen anyone playing AI or even heard of anyone that plays it. I really wanted to get into it but at the time of release my wife was still living in Venezuela and I had zero local players with any interest so I never picked it up. I'm excited to get some tiny planes now that they'll be useful.

twentypence wrote:What “factions” are there in Horus Heresy that are likely to make their way to LI?
We know Legiones Astartes (I assume at least 18 flavours of), Solar Auxilia, Knight Households, and Titan Legions have already been mentioned.
I assume Divisio Aeronautica, Custodes / Sisters of Silence, and Mechanicum. Possibly Daemons as a final wave.
Are there any other Imperial Guard style factions or anything else I’m missing?

Horus Heresy had Cults & Militia in 1.0, now named Imperialis Militia in 2.0, which is a catch-all (and very flexible) army list for human forces that aren't Solar Auxilia. In HH they have no official models, and are essentially an invitation for converters to make Their Dudes.

I'd be surprised if GW featured them in this game as a way for existing Epic players to use their armies; but I was surprised they brought Imperialis Militia back at all for 2.0, so who knows.

 catbarf wrote:

twentypence wrote:What “factions” are there in Horus Heresy that are likely to make their way to LI?
We know Legiones Astartes (I assume at least 18 flavours of), Solar Auxilia, Knight Households, and Titan Legions have already been mentioned.
I assume Divisio Aeronautica, Custodes / Sisters of Silence, and Mechanicum. Possibly Daemons as a final wave.
Are there any other Imperial Guard style factions or anything else I’m missing?

Horus Heresy had Cults & Militia in 1.0, now named Imperialis Militia in 2.0, which is a catch-all (and very flexible) army list for human forces that aren't Solar Auxilia. In HH they have no official models, and are essentially an invitation for converters to make Their Dudes.

I'd be surprised if GW featured them in this game as a way for existing Epic players to use their armies; but I was surprised they brought Imperialis Militia back at all for 2.0, so who knows.

This is the most likely list of armies:

- 18 Space Marine Legions + 2 possible extra: Shattered Legion & Blackshields
- Solar Auxilia
- Imperial Militia (hope they use the Death Korps and/or Vraks Renegades aesthetic for þe models)
- Mechanicum
- Dark Mechanicum (with Daemon Engines)
- Legio Custodes
- Sisters of Silence
- Daemons of the Ruinstorm
- Knight Households
- Maybe even a Titan Legions list?

At a pinch, if we're very lucky, we might get a Stygies VIII expansion to introduce limited Eldar involvement, if at all

zedmeister wrote:

 catbarf wrote:

twentypence wrote:What “factions” are there in Horus Heresy that are likely to make their way to LI?
We know Legiones Astartes (I assume at least 18 flavours of), Solar Auxilia, Knight Households, and Titan Legions have already been mentioned.
I assume Divisio Aeronautica, Custodes / Sisters of Silence, and Mechanicum. Possibly Daemons as a final wave.
Are there any other Imperial Guard style factions or anything else I’m missing?

Horus Heresy had Cults & Militia in 1.0, now named Imperialis Militia in 2.0, which is a catch-all (and very flexible) army list for human forces that aren't Solar Auxilia. In HH they have no official models, and are essentially an invitation for converters to make Their Dudes.

I'd be surprised if GW featured them in this game as a way for existing Epic players to use their armies; but I was surprised they brought Imperialis Militia back at all for 2.0, so who knows.

This is the most likely list of armies:

- 18 Space Marine Legions + 2 possible extra: Shattered Legion & Blackshields
- Solar Auxilia
- Imperial Militia (hope they use the Death Korps and/or Vraks Renegades aesthetic for þe models)
- Mechanicum
- Dark Mechanicum (with Daemon Engines)
- Legio Custodes
- Sisters of Silence
- Daemons of the Ruinstorm
- Knight Households
- Maybe even a Titan Legions list?

At a pinch, if we're very lucky, we might get a Stygies VIII expansion to introduce limited Eldar involvement, if at all

I'd be very, very surprised if we got them but seeing that the custodes AI ships are not on last chance on forgeworld the thought of teeny tiny gold bois are actually a possibility. I really hope they come as plastic. I suspect if they have a choice between not releasing some of the smaller forces or having to do small production runs in resin, they are most likely to not do them. The old resin Epic minis were nice, but not very practical. I would be excited for custodes or SoS in epic though!

I am really curious if we will see Daemons though. I would go mad buying daemons for nurgle, especially as I can then use them on double duty for 6mm fantasy as well!

For any of it to happen, the rules have to be fairly playable - at least fun, and balanced would be a bonus.

AT18 had some stumbles in the balance department, but a fun game IMO.

Hoping LI at least clears that bar.

Have we even gotten any word on game play? Or have we just seen some minis and book cover?

We got an article with the basic features of the rules that indicate it is based on a previous (earlier) edition, but nothing detailed about gameplay yet

We have had the info in this article so far:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/07/03/10-things-you-need-to-know-about-warhammer-the-horus-heresy-legions-imperialis/

Orders
Alternative actions for detachments
Objectives scored depending on mission

Vorian wrote:
We have had the info in this article so far:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/07/03/10-things-you-need-to-know-about-warhammer-the-horus-heresy-legions-imperialis/

Orders
Alternative actions for detachments
Objectives scored depending on mission

Also seemingly a certain amount of personalization in detachment building.