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One good thing is today confirmed that it's not an empty week for preorders next saturday. Warcry and Underworlds stuff, yes, but at least that wont be taking up another week in October *after* space marines get through.

chaos0xomega wrote:

"Early battle report" also makes it sound like we might not get the game before November possibly.

"Early" suggests that the magazine will be out before the game is. But the fact that they're releasing it in this issue could indicate that they expect the game will release before the next issue comes out.

Speculation, of course. Take it with a grain of salt.

And possibly some pictures of figures that haven't been discussed yet.

I still have a feeling it'll be November

 Fifty wrote:
I'm not 100% sure that Legions Imperialis will be the success I hope it is, but your argument doesn't ring true based on my experiences.

yeah, the point was that just because it is a GW game does not necessarily mean that everywhere around the world a lot of new people will come and play it, just because this is the case for 40k does not mean it is the same with the niche games

so even with LI being a success it does not translate to "easier to find opponents than with net-Epic for everyone", specially if it ends up being expensive

drbored wrote:
I still have a feeling it'll be November

November has been rumoured for a while now.
Also that it took the slot in November that was originally meant for The Old World. An TOW reveal would have likely happened at Warhammer day on the 14th as that will also be the week their 40 years of Warhammer articles end. With a reveal on the 14th it could have gotten a preorder on the 21st but I think that would have been too close so the earliest preorder would have likely been the 28th with a release on the 4th.
But since it seems they will keep the 2 week preorders for now since their supply chain is a bit scuffed, preorder on the 28th would mean release on the 11th which would fit pretty nicely for Legions Imperialis

Regardless of the exact release date, the Battle Report wouldn't be there unless it's close.

I'm happy to regard that as a positive thing.

Battle Report, excellent! Should really help give some indication of how the game fits together and plays, am looking forward to that.

 schoon wrote:
Regardless of the exact release date, the Battle Report wouldn't be there unless it's close.

I'm happy to regard that as a positive thing.

I thought WDs were now wrote months in advance. I guess this battle report was written assuming the game was out already.

Regardless, the release won't be far off now surely, so this will time ok.

I'd expect HH box to be next up, as that would finish out the Nova previews IIRC

 Gimgamgoo wrote:

 schoon wrote:
Regardless of the exact release date, the Battle Report wouldn't be there unless it's close.

I'm happy to regard that as a positive thing.

I thought WDs were now wrote months in advance. I guess this battle report was written assuming the game was out already.
Regardless, the release won't be far off now surely, so this will time ok.

more like weeks in advance with adjustments in that time scale being possible

 lord_blackfang wrote:
I'll stick to my prediction from early on in the preview cycle, ultimately all Legions will accomplish is the same as other Specialist Games reboots: further fragmenting the existing player base as some switch to the latest officially supported system, but total player base practically doesn't grow due to inaccessible pricing (and probably the usual Specialist Games slow release schedule)

Well its mixed.
AI was just odd but undoubtedly got more people playing with its simplified ruleset.
AT was more of a stand alone considering how people played mainly Epic not AT from before.
Bloodbowl trots merrily along with GW more sticking their oar in than actually driving it. That seems more to be done by the computer game and the out of GW's control 3rd party market is something GW no doubt fears for its other ranges.
Kill team wasn't really a SG
Underworlds and warcry are something new.
Necromunda is a gak show in terms of getting releases to customers. They seem to have decided on their margin and production level and produce at that level without any attempt to grow market. Frustrates many retailers.
Quest was one and done and odd with a disjointed set of systems.
Bit like the HH boxes which could have been a great series.

I'm not sure how bothered GW is by 3rd party producers for their games. For BB for example, the FB group was filled with people before joking about trying to get their hands on the new Vampire team, to the point where there were jokes every month when new releases were shown and the Vampire team wasn't amongst them. This is despite the really quite sizable 3rd party industry that literally kept the game massively popular (by far the most popular of the SG line I think) in the decade or so that it wasn't officially supported and there being probably 5 or 6 quality lines of miniatures available of Vampire teams. A lot of the time people just want the official miniatures, especially the newbies to the community, and I think it will be the same with LI.

Community wise I don't think LI will have the same impact on Epic as it did on Necromunda, simply because there isn't the same solidified community to fragment. It's much smaller in number, and people I think tend to just play whichever edition is popular local to them, so you have groups of Titan Legions, Armageddon, Epic 40K or any of the later community editions. Necromunda had an extremely well defined and honed ruleset with the community edition that nearly everyone played, and there was an amount of upset when the new game arrived, especially as the rules definitely left something to be desired in terms of the campaign and not all gangs being playable from day 1.

The new Blood Bowl was 99% the same as the previous version, other than a few token changes put in for the sake of not printing the same version of the rules exactly, so everyone just slipped into the new edition and carried on exactly as they had before.. their passage aided by the tears of Elf team players!

 Gimgamgoo wrote:

 schoon wrote:
Regardless of the exact release date, the Battle Report wouldn't be there unless it's close.

I'm happy to regard that as a positive thing.

I thought WDs were now wrote months in advance. I guess this battle report was written assuming the game was out already.

Regardless, the release won't be far off now surely, so this will time ok.

I suspect the battle report probably was done some time ago, then got pulled from the WD at the time when LI was delayed.

 kodos wrote:
going for 3D prints, question is why even bother with LI in the first place

chance that it is a better game than net-Epic or any other version is pretty low
only reason was because of the plastic models and maybe more people playing it, if models are too expensive that won't be the case either

Probably!

And I don't think 3D printing has gotten to the point where it is going to be something that many (the majority?) gamers will be able to take advantage of - yet!

 Alpharius wrote:

 kodos wrote:
going for 3D prints, question is why even bother with LI in the first place

chance that it is a better game than net-Epic or any other version is pretty low
only reason was because of the plastic models and maybe more people playing it, if models are too expensive that won't be the case either

Probably!

And I don't think 3D printing has gotten to the point where it is going to be something that many (the majority?) gamers will be able to take advantage of - yet!

I have 4, 3000 point, 8mm armies sitting in boxes to be painted that cost a grand total of $500.

It's quite easy to find the files and someone to print them for a reasonable price.

Some of the files used even came from the main source themselves.

so in addition to find someone to play, find the time and mood to paint, you also need to find the files and find someone to print them (at a reasonable price, and good produced)

I can see why a lot still want to order plastic models, if they are reasonable priced

 kodos wrote:
so in addition to find someone to play, find the time and mood to paint, you also need to find the files and find someone to print them (at a reasonable price, and good produced)

I can see why a lot still want to order plastic models, if they are reasonable priced

I can print my own, I have a fair few files, however if the plastics are at a reasonable price I will still buy some, maybe not for everything (e.g. Rhinos, drop pods and similar stuff where quite a few are needed) but I'll still get some - if only to try and contribute to the game actually being supported and so that the local shop actually stocks it

Yes I am probably in the same boat. I already have a Marine Legion/Horde so will get the rules and the Solar Auxiliary infantry. Although I am not a fan of the quite archaic aesthetic of the vehicles; I have always thought the Crusade/Heresy era should have looked a bit more modern/sci-fi than the pseudo-WW2 style of the LI tanks we have seen so far - so I will probably combine the LI infantry with vehicles from Vanguard or another small scale miniature producer.

 kodos wrote:
so in addition to find someone to play, find the time and mood to paint, you also need to find the files and find someone to print them (at a reasonable price, and good produced)

I can see why a lot still want to order plastic models, if they are reasonable priced

I mean, a night of listening to something on Youtube and a basic knowledge of Google can solve 2 of those problems. In fact, finding someone to print stuff is quite easy as there are plenty of people clamoring to print stuff for others.

If you have no one to play with, that's neither here nor there to the problem, and the mood to paint isn't either as they both apply to either side.

Point is, unless you are after "Official" minis, price is the only sticking point. At this time there's like 3 places in the entire world that *require* Official GW model use.

As I said above, I have access to a printer that has access to "Official" GW stls, so unless someone knows the *feel* of the minis a person can't tell.

 Pacific wrote:
Yes I am probably in the same boat. I already have a Marine Legion/Horde so will get the rules and the Solar Auxiliary infantry. Although I am not a fan of the quite archaic aesthetic of the vehicles; I have always thought the Crusade/Heresy era should have looked a bit more modern/sci-fi than the pseudo-WW2 style of the LI tanks we have seen so far - so I will probably combine the LI infantry with vehicles from Vanguard or another small scale miniature producer.

The flyers look pretty modern, they also have the arvus lighter as a transport that looks pretty modern looking.

Yes the fliers look great, I love the design of the Arvus actually - it does look a bit more modern.

For some of the other vehicles they have gone for a more utilitarian, gothic look to the design, which I associate with 40k rather than 30k, and I think lost a chance to differentiate how the design might have changed over 10,000 years.


But, realise that's very much a subjective thing! It does make it fortunate that other designs and sculpts are available.

 Pacific wrote:
Yes the fliers look great, I love the design of the Arvus actually - it does look a bit more modern.

For some of the other vehicles they have gone for a more utilitarian, gothic look to the design, which I associate with 40k rather than 30k, and I think lost a chance to differentiate how the design might have changed over 10,000 years.

Spoiler:

But, realise that's very much a subjective thing! It does make it fortunate that other designs and sculpts are available.

They look decent, I feel like there's a lot of ways to paint them too, I went with a bit of a boring urban look but lots of possibilities.

 Pacific wrote:
Yes the fliers look great, I love the design of the Arvus actually - it does look a bit more modern.

For some of the other vehicles they have gone for a more utilitarian, gothic look to the design, which I associate with 40k rather than 30k, and I think lost a chance to differentiate how the design might have changed over 10,000 years.

Spoiler:

But, realise that's very much a subjective thing! It does make it fortunate that other designs and sculpts are available.

As a connoisseur of Mk.III Marines I don't see how rivets and trims aren't a 30k look. But in this particular example, I think 90% of the look is just down to the color scheme. Just look at those track sections. They're basically the same design as Leman Russ and Chimera chassis, but GW went full ghetto on them and gave them golden hubcaps. And then some. If you paint the tank like people have painted their Imperial Guard tanks for decades, you won't end up with a rolling bling cathedral. Just a normal tank, albeit a riveted instead of welded one.

Though maybe you'll get lucky with Squats if they are put in Legions Imperials, too. The Dark Age look is a lot sleeker.

 Crablezworth wrote:


They look decent, I feel like there's a lot of ways to paint them too, I went with a bit of a boring urban look but lots of possibilities.

Spoiler:

What is this source of this photo? I assume these are all fan-prints.

I spy the Epic 40,000 gray plastic ruins back there.

semajnollissor wrote:

 Crablezworth wrote:


They look decent, I feel like there's a lot of ways to paint them too, I went with a bit of a boring urban look but lots of possibilities.

Spoiler:

What is this source of this photo? I assume these are all fan-prints.

I spy the Epic 40,000 gray plastic ruins back there.

Source:
https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/600/787202.page#11595120

Any advice on what terrain to buy/print regards scale yet to get a head start?

Im clueless re 3d printing so if thats the way forward, can anyone explain/show where to find it for the right scale etc?

Does any current game have suitable scale terrain etc?

VAYASEN wrote:
Any advice on what terrain to buy/print regards scale yet to get a head start?

Im clueless re 3d printing so if thats the way forward, can anyone explain/show where to find it for the right scale etc?

Does any current game have suitable scale terrain etc?

Make a thread in the specialist games forum as this is OT for this thread.

It was not up for discussion, it was a moderator instruction. If you wish to discuss the point the only option is via PM - ingtaer.

Tiny Jetbikes and Land Speeders.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/10/05/heresy-thursday-outflank-the-foe-with-fast-attack-for-legions-imperialis/





Javelin and Proteus speeders are fast-moving weapon platforms which scoot around columns of tanks to fire on their exposed flanks or catch infantry squads unaware. The box can build four Javelin Land Speeders and four Proteus Land Speeders.

Also included are six bases of Scimitar Jet bikes, each featuring two jet bikes, and four bases of Outrider bikes, each featuring three cycles. These nimble raiders are superb for snatching objectives and performing hit-and-run attacks on slow line infantry and stationary fire support emplacements.*

Nice to see the classic speeders are in the game, given I printed some that still need painting.

that actually doesn't look a bad box (price could change that of course). hints more at units sizes being 4 for most and either 3 or 6 for the bikes, and maybe the others being four to start and able to take more.

look nice little models as well