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Battleforces are announced for next week which is unusual as they normally are up at the end of November so this rumour seems pretty much confirmed:

Preorder dates
Battleforces 11th Nov
Admech/Necrons 18th Nov
Legions Imperialis 25th Nov

So what are the odds that GW don’t release nearly enough boxes and most people end up waiting another 9 months?

Well, I mean - As I pointed out theres no announcement of standalone infantry kits that I can find, so it seems that the launch box is pretty much mandatory for new players, and thus I assume it will not be allowed to sell out.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
So what are the odds that GW don’t release nearly enough boxes and most people end up waiting another 9 months?

Pretty much this. I'm also expecting them to raise the price on the sets (not that we'd actually know, as pre-order prices never leaked) to cover for their mistakes with the rules.

I fully expect for them to finally put up the pre-order, suddenly all the "influencers" that were sent free sets to go mad showing them off, only for no one to be able to buy it anyway. Much like that New Zealand youtube channel showing off the 10 grands worth of MESBG terrain kits sent by GW earlier this year, only for them to be constantly out of stock for the few months the kits were actually available before they discontinued them.

At this point, might as well just wait for buying armies when they do some Christmas battelforce in a year or two and the rest of the range is reliably in stock.

I have no illusions, here. If something LI goes "temporarily out of stock" so close to Christmas, I don't expect it's coming back before 2024.

But I don't mind and I won't rush to pre-order either. If something is out, then it's out and It'll give me an excuse to spare my wallet for a bit more of time.

Sarouan wrote:
I have no illusions, here. If something LI goes "temporarily out of stock" so close to Christmas, I don't expect it's coming back before 2024.

But I don't mind and I won't rush to pre-order either. If something is out, then it's out and It'll give me an excuse to spare my wallet for a bit more of time.

I have no illusions, here. If something LI goes "temporarily out of stock" so close to Christmas, I don't expect it's coming back before 2025*.

Fixed.

chaos0xomega wrote:
Well, I mean - As I pointed out theres no announcement of standalone infantry kits that I can find, so it seems that the launch box is pretty much mandatory for new players, and thus I assume it will not be allowed to sell out.

heh, there you go, making assumptions ^^


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Sarouan wrote:
I have no illusions, here. If something LI goes "temporarily out of stock" so close to Christmas, I don't expect it's coming back before 2024.

But I don't mind and I won't rush to pre-order either. If something is out, then it's out and It'll give me an excuse to spare my wallet for a bit more of time.

No skin off my back either, no. I expect the rules will be obtainable either way, and honestly, that's the first thing I want to check before investing on it.

chaos0xomega wrote:
Well, I mean - As I pointed out theres no announcement of standalone infantry kits that I can find, so it seems that the launch box is pretty much mandatory for new players, and thus I assume it will not be allowed to sell out.

I took the preview articles to be there primarily to showcase the models, with any information on how they're boxed as a bonus or clarification. If that's GW's intention, they wouldn't necessarily speak of how starter box units are made available separately until the pre-order announcement of those units.

There's every chance that infantry gets released separately alongside the starter box, especially if the delay sees a compression of the release schedule to make up lost time.

Yea. No infantry separately is about as believable as earth is flat

Not announcing the separate infantry kits until after the box is released is pretty common for GW. Especially since for GW the kit counts as released as soon as the launch box is released so the seperate boxes will likely not get revealed beforehand but only in the preorder announcement itself.

I expect one week for the launch set, all the AT/AI stuff and maybe the most important individual boxes like rhinos.
One week for everything else in the first wave and the individual boxes for the launch set stuff.
And then another week for the wave 2 stuff.

And all of that will likely not be subsequent weeks but with something else in-between.

The 25th seems pretty save for the box preorder, the 2nd December could be something else with the 9th for the wave 1 stuff and the wave 2 stuff coming next year.

I don't expect everything to come out in just one pre-order wave, but it's pretty clear in the former articles there will be a separate box for both infantries - space marines and guard. Wait and see to know when they'll come out.

tneva82 wrote:
Yea. No infantry separately is about as believable as earth is flat

Indeed, or as Land Raiders not being part of the core rule set, or available upon release of the game perhaps?

 Pacific wrote:


Indeed, or as Land Raiders not being part of the core rule set, or available upon release of the game perhaps?

This was never the point. Land Raiders as miniatures will be available in a separate box, no matter how their rules will be treated or when they will be available.

It is about a "rumor" saying infantry miniature sprues will only be available in the starter box bundle ever. Which is clearly not the case here.

Yeah that aint a 'rumor', that's someone talking out of their butt.

GW don't always split things off from various starter boxes, but in this case the infantry units will certainly be available separately.

You guys have misconstrued the statement entirely, but that's typical dakka.

The point is that GW hasn't announced standalone infantry sets yet, which means they are not part of the ***launch*** wave. Never said they wouldn't come eventually, but the point is that without them being released it's not possible to build an army without buying the launch box.

Past patterns indicate that it is not an "unannounced release" - there were no standalone infantry sets announced w leviathan for example, lo and behold the standalone sets weren't released until months later. By contrast, the standalone infantry kits for horus heresy were revealed prior to the release of the Age of Darkness box, and were in fact available upon launch.

Thus, logic demands that there is no imminent infantry kit on the table, not in the first wave at least, so either the LI box is intended to be the primary point of entry for all new players or gw is launching a product that may potentially not have an entry point at all for anyone who was unfortunate enough to not get a launch box before it sold out.

chaos0xomega wrote:
You guys have misconstrued the statement entirely, but that's typical dakka.

The point is that GW hasn't announced standalone infantry sets yet, which means they are not part of the ***launch*** wave. Never said they wouldn't come eventually, but the point is that without them being released it's not possible to build an army without buying the launch box.

Past patterns indicate that it is not an "unannounced release" - there were no standalone infantry sets announced w leviathan for example, lo and behold the standalone sets weren't released until months later. By contrast, the standalone infantry kits for horus heresy were revealed prior to the release of the Age of Darkness box, and were in fact available upon launch.

Thus, logic demands that there is no imminent infantry kit on the table, not in the first wave at least, so either the LI box is intended to be the primary point of entry for all new players or gw is launching a product that may potentially not have an entry point at all for anyone who was unfortunate enough to not get a launch box before it sold out.

For Leviathan the units could wait months as you don't need them for an army. For Heresy you needed some infantry so we got MKIII/MKIV with the launch. But the actual core box MKVI weren't available at launch but two weeks later and I don't think they got a specific reveal for their 20-man boxes, only the MKIII/MKIV.

I think LI will have the same structure, I don't expect them to release them with the first preorder but I don't think we will have to wait months for them, more like a few weeks, exactly because you can't really build an army without them.

Problem with LI is that because of the delay we already got advertising for the 2nd wave of models before the first wave is out

hence it looks like that the content of the launch box is not part of that first and second wave but might be in a 3rd wave that is yet not previewed

with the general plan would have been to get the core box out, than the supplement and additional vehicles to get people with said box to expand their collection (like instead of buying the box 3 times to get an army, buying the supplement vehicles) and after that releasing the stuff for people that want to start small without the core box
now because of the delay there is a chance that the 3rd wave will be available together with the core box, but as it was not shown yet but the release should be "soon", chance is low

PS: and no, GW won't delay everything else also for months, past releases have shown that they are not that flexible and rather release stuff on plan if possible no matter if it makes sense or not

chaos0xomega wrote:
You guys have misconstrued the statement entirely, but that's typical dakka.

The point is that GW hasn't announced standalone infantry sets yet, which means they are not part of the ***launch*** wave. Never said they wouldn't come eventually, but the point is that without them being released it's not possible to build an army without buying the launch box.
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And you have proof they aren't right away...where? Nowhere. Just pulling ideas out of thin air with nothing to back off from.

GW expects people to wait for future to build armies? Lol. No.

Why would GW shows "here's picture of infantry". Oh and wait! "Here's exact same picture of same infantry!!"

Yeah. That makes sense. Show same picture twice what you saw week ago. That SURE builds hype And sure doesn't lead people get angry that whole god damn article of preview was wasted seeing exact same picture as already seen.

If only sitting in the warehouse, then they should have released the repackaged Titanicus items in the meantime. Otherwise, we know its on the way this side of christmas( last they said ) and we're not dealing with a Cursed City situation.

SamusDrake wrote:
If only sitting in the warehouse, then they should have released the repackaged Titanicus items in the meantime. Otherwise, we know its on the way this side of christmas( last they said ) and we're not dealing with a Cursed City situation.

The only reason I can think of why it would make sense to not release them is that they obviously are already repackaged so have the Legions Imperialis name on them instead of Adeptus Titanicus and they didn't want people in stores ask where the rest of the game is just to be told it doesn't exist yet.
Of course they could still have released them as webstore exklusives for the time being then, using the white boxes without art or name on them.

That does seem like the only reason. Maybe its a good one, as it's allowed other games to take Legion's and AT's release slots in the meantime.

GW's approach is typically one of these two:

If a boxed set is limited edition, then anything inside usually isn't sold separately until later. That's likely to ensure the box isn't left in stock indefinitely. See: Leviathan and last years IG launch for 40k.

However if a boxed set is a long term item they will often release some or all of the components separately at the same time. Typically this has no prior announcement ahead of the Sunday announcement article.See: HH AOD

The key detail here is that we still don't know if the LI launch box is a permanent product or not. If it is then I expect to see separate infantry available on launch. If not then they'll most likely wait, and release infantry with a separate rulebook product some time later.

The same guy who was correct about the whole Age of Sigmar Ironjawz release and the preorder dates for the Tyranid and Space Marine releases just said Legions Imperialis would release on the 2nd December. So either 25th or 18th preorder depending if its a two or one week preorder and as another rumour that correctly predicted the Battleforce preorder date said preorder on the 25th I think a one week preorder on the 25th is basically confirmed.

Handy dandy link from Warhammer Community, compiling all the existing LI articles.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/11/07/everything-you-need-to-know-about-warhammer-the-horus-heresy-legions-imperialis/

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Handy dandy link from Warhammer Community, compiling all the existing LI articles.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/11/07/everything-you-need-to-know-about-warhammer-the-horus-heresy-legions-imperialis/

Surely cant be far off announcing it.....

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Handy dandy link from Warhammer Community, compiling all the existing LI articles.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/11/07/everything-you-need-to-know-about-warhammer-the-horus-heresy-legions-imperialis/

Well except the Baneblade/Krator/Rhino article and the Proteus Land Raider article

At least they tried!

By the way, the box art marines (green and pale white) are they Death Guard?

Wasnt sure if they were Luna Wolves?

Yup, Crusade era Death Guard regalia.