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One thing they should have been much clearer about (in addition to dates or the lack thereof) is what belongs or not to an expansion book, and how they plan to articulate the release of said expansion with that of the main game.

CorwinB wrote:
....and how they plan to articulate the release of said expansion with that of the main game.

I'm going to take a guess and say "badly".

CorwinB wrote:
One thing they should have been much clearer about (in addition to dates or the lack thereof) is what belongs or not to an expansion book, and how they plan to articulate the release of said expansion with that of the main game.

That might be another thing they aren't sure about themselves. The Cursed City expansion were likely supposed to release together with the minis needed for them but since something went wrong the minis were released on their own. But after Cursed City was rereleased they also released the expansions just without the minis as they were already out at that point.

I could see the same happening here. Things that were originally meant for an expansion might be released close to launch now but the expansion book itself would still have to wait a while or not be released at all. After all the only reason we even know about an expansion book is the line in White Dwarf and with GWs QC I wouldn't be surprised if that simple slipped though and that book never happens now, or at least the models don't have to wait for it. Otherwise I would have expected them to show us the book in a Thursday article after the White Dwarf was released instead of another new model that won't be released for a while.

And for the rules they could still just release a pdf if they choose to release the models first.

SU-152 wrote:

 Pacific wrote:
SU-152 - are you talking about Armageddon right? If so those vehicle-only lists are more common or plausible in that system (although again, and this might vary by gaming group, it is not something I have seen in practice)

However this game is based off of Epic SM/2nd edition, it's much harder to not include infantry in that system, as I said to the point where I only saw it once. The battle report they showed had a lot of infantry and they are kind of central to the Epic gaming concept. So I can't contemplate them releasing this game without some sort of 'infantry company' box which is just a copy of the sprue from the main game?

I will be honest I have lost track now why we are even having this discussion

I am talking about Epic Armageddon, Epic 40k, Epic Heresy, SM1 &2, and NetEpic Gold. All have armoured armies, pretty common.

I don't know if GW is going to release infantry out of the "core" box. I am just saying it is not compulsory to play, that's all. In fact, my army for LI will be a Solar Auxilia Armoured Batallion

I am going to be watching your project logs closely,.and you are now going to have to have a strict 'no infantry' policy, just to prove a point .

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

CorwinB wrote:
....and how they plan to articulate the release of said expansion with that of the main game.

I'm going to take a guess and say "badly".

My bet is that we're going to get a glut of things for epic a lot faster than we would have otherwise, so that they can clear out that space, and then SUDDENLY, it'll dry up. And for 6+ months we'll get the piddliest of mentions of LI stuff, only for then, another year down the line, things to get to a normal state.

But as soon as that rush ends, it'll be exactly like how it is with 30k, where people will declare 'dead game' 'no support' and rant about how they would have done it better without knowing 90% of the story.

Sorry if its been covered already but can I ask, will each Legion have different rules on tabletop?

Will Space Wolves for example have 'Space Wolf' units and traits?

We’re not sure yet. I suspect Legion Specific detachments, either are variants with extra rules or straight up “nobody else has anything like this”.

Maybe the odd unique unit.

Legions do have traits. BA have a move after combat, EC have a one use steal the initiative

So is that it for Heresy Thursday, the White Scar?


Last weeks HT ended with - Come back next week for another edition of Heresy Thursday, as we approach the release of Warhammer: The Horus Heresy – Legions Imperialis and uncover more lost technology from the Age of Darkness.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/11/09/warhammer-community-takes-on-legions-imperialis/

The epic-scale miniatures for Warhammer: The Horus Heresy – Legions Imperialis are a sight to behold, and hobbyists throughout the Warhammer Community office have been eager to paint a few of their own ahead of their release (which is coming very soon!)

With a massive range of miniatures to choose from – from artillery and speeders to super-heavy tanks and terrain – it’ll pay to have some in mind before pre-orders start… very, very soon.

How much better do they look in camo, rather than with that trim?

EDIT: Hold on guys, we've got a 'very soon' there! Not just 'soon' !

Previous Epic versions (and especially 2nd edition) definitely had legion (or chapter-specific) units - Dark Angel Ravenwing & Deathwing, Space Wolf Great Companies and specialist units etc. I would be very surprised if units don't get added, especially as many won't necessarily even need a new miniature sculpt at this scale - and it would be an easy thing to do for Legion expansion books etc

"Let's saddle'up, Apone."

Yeah, I thought the Guard tanks would look just fine with a normal paintjob.

On another note, I didn't pay enough attention to notice before, but seeing all those Russes without sponsons, are sponsons not a part of the kit?

 Geifer wrote:
Yeah, I thought the Guard tanks would look just fine with a normal paintjob.

On another note, I didn't pay enough attention to notice before, but seeing all those Russes without sponsons, are sponsons not a part of the kit?

Seems not, the russ datasheet didn't have any rules for sponsons. Only the turret and hull mounted weapon.

 Pacific wrote:
EDIT: Hold on guys, we've got a 'very soon' there! Not just 'soon' !

By the end of reading the article it was up to "very, very soon", so hopefully by the time I'm done with all of these emails at work we'll be up to "very, very, very, very soon"!

 Geifer wrote:
Yeah, I thought the Guard tanks would look just fine with a normal paintjob.

On another note, I didn't pay enough attention to notice before, but seeing all those Russes without sponsons, are sponsons not a part of the kit?

No sponsons on any of the previous images and the rules don't seem to have them either.

EDIT: Beaten to it!

Solar Aux Russes don't have sponsons in full size either.

Thanks, guys. One less reason to bother with this game. fething Horus Heresy...

 Pacific wrote:
EDIT: Hold on guys, we've got a 'very soon' there! Not just 'soon' !

Well now they're doing community paintjobs, I imagine it's coming out pretty soon.... however I'm not sure if that's sooner than "sooner than you think".

 Geifer wrote:
Thanks, guys. One less reason to bother with this game. fething Horus Heresy...

what am I missing? What is one less reason to bother with it?

 Geifer wrote:
Yeah, I thought the Guard tanks would look just fine with a normal paintjob.

On another note, I didn't pay enough attention to notice before, but seeing all those Russes without sponsons, are sponsons not a part of the kit?

Russes in solar aux don't have sponsons. The baneblades still do though.

 Geifer wrote:
Thanks, guys. One less reason to bother with this game. fething Horus Heresy...

Come over to the dark side of 3D printing and community supported rules, where the options are huge and if the option doesn't exist you can create it yourself.

VAYASEN wrote:

 Geifer wrote:
Thanks, guys. One less reason to bother with this game. fething Horus Heresy...

what am I missing? What is one less reason to bother with it?

I assume he's either a real big fan of sponsons or he was planning to build a 40k style guard army with the solar auxilia kits and now can't and he's ticked off by it.

 Pacific wrote:
EDIT: Hold on guys, we've got a 'very soon' there! Not just 'soon' !

Previous Epic versions (and especially 2nd edition) definitely had legion (or chapter-specific) units - Dark Angel Ravenwing & Deathwing, Space Wolf Great Companies and specialist units etc. I would be very surprised if units don't get added, especially as many won't necessarily even need a new miniature sculpt at this scale - and it would be an easy thing to do for Legion expansion books etc

Sorta hoping they don't add legion specific stuff. The trait system is already is a bit of a mixed bag, just in terms of balancing it so every legion feels they have an appropriate ability. They've already sorta messed that up comparing say ec to other legions previewed. I'd much rather the compromise be more aesthetic than rules, like more of a counts as route, like if someone used phoenix terminator models as normal terminator models, sounds fine. Or if someone wanted to use a single primarch model on a 25mm base as a command squad. I'm basically concerned that some traits will be auto takes, like it will be a bit convenient if 3 months from now every player fielding bikes/jetbikes/speeders ect are conveniently white scars.

Seeing as a lot of what was previewed apparently is in the first expansion book, concerned the plan is to string out a bunch more books with a legion specific unit or two as the selling point every time.

VAYASEN wrote:

 Geifer wrote:
Thanks, guys. One less reason to bother with this game. fething Horus Heresy...

what am I missing? What is one less reason to bother with it?

I despise the look of a sponsonless Russ. It doesn't take much to get me to buy Russes and Baneblades, as my 40k collection can attest to. I don't care about the rules, or the game, really. What I want out of the game is for my models to look good. I'm not going to get that in this case. Which decreases my options for a cool army. Which means there's less reason to bother at all.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 Geifer wrote:
Thanks, guys. One less reason to bother with this game. fething Horus Heresy...

Come over to the dark side of 3D printing and community supported rules, where the options are huge and if the option doesn't exist you can create it yourself.

I don't have the space for a 3D printer. I don't even have to consider if I want to bother with all the work that goes into it. It's just not an option for me.

I do approve of the idea of making your own Epic with blackjack and hookers, though.

Not that it would actually lead to Russes with sponsons. Why would I waste my time printing Leman Russes when I could use that time to print Monoliths? This whole Horus Heresy setting is a stupid idea.

I think its a great idea, and GW will be getting so much of my money for it.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 Geifer wrote:

VAYASEN wrote:

 Geifer wrote:
Thanks, guys. One less reason to bother with this game. fething Horus Heresy...

what am I missing? What is one less reason to bother with it?

I despise the look of a sponsonless Russ. It doesn't take much to get me to buy Russes and Baneblades, as my 40k collection can attest to. I don't care about the rules, or the game, really. What I want out of the game is for my models to look good. I'm not going to get that in this case. Which decreases my options for a cool army. Which means there's less reason to bother at all.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 Geifer wrote:
Thanks, guys. One less reason to bother with this game. fething Horus Heresy...

Come over to the dark side of 3D printing and community supported rules, where the options are huge and if the option doesn't exist you can create it yourself.

I don't have the space for a 3D printer. I don't even have to consider if I want to bother with all the work that goes into it. It's just not an option for me.

I do approve of the idea of making your own Epic with blackjack and hookers, though.

Not that it would actually lead to Russes with sponsons. Why would I waste my time printing Leman Russes when I could use that time to print Monoliths? This whole Horus Heresy setting is a stupid idea.

surely if you were interested in the game but dont like the Russes for whatever reason, you would just create an army that didnt have Russes in it? And you can have printed Sponsons delivered to your door if you really wanted them.

 xttz wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/11/09/warhammer-community-takes-on-legions-imperialis/

The epic-scale miniatures for Warhammer: The Horus Heresy – Legions Imperialis are a sight to behold, and hobbyists throughout the Warhammer Community office have been eager to paint a few of their own ahead of their release (which is coming very soon!)

With a massive range of miniatures to choose from – from artillery and speeders to super-heavy tanks and terrain – it’ll pay to have some in mind before pre-orders start… very, very soon.

How much better do they look in camo, rather than with that trim?

The models look fantastic. I've always preferred seeing the paint jobs of 'regular' hobbyists, the studio paint jobs for the box art never do anything for me at all.

I guess it won't be long now.

Though if these are the models painted by the studio community team, that means it won't be long before a whole bunch of 'influencers'....sorry... 'content creators' start flooding groups with their Epic scale videos/posts, telling everyone how much they have always loved the scale/game and getting their 15 mins of hype in of the game (before next big product).

I'm going to discuss the release the people I game with, see if we are going to spend the money we had saved for old world on this or wait for old world. None of us really intend to play the new rules for either game, and other than a few unique bits n bobs from the old world most of the minis can be got else where. At least with this, the 40k models are pretty unique in design.

I'm still mostly tempted by getting a lot of those tiles and making the full city build we've wanted to do for a long time.

Oh don’t worry about Johnny Come Latelys.

Hang around Dakka enough post launch, and I’m sure likes of Pacific and I will provide all the Percussion of Simians about Epic you’ll need

Those are lovely better paintjobs.

And what a coincidence, I prefer sponson-less Russes. I'm definitely building an armoured force.

Also loving the SA pattern Russ' but the Kratos has gone from a meh to a strong dislike for me. Really hope the Astartes SH do not take too long to appear.