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I feel the same way about Epic Armageddon. It's a genuinely brilliantly designed wargame, in terms of how the various aspects fit together and give the player tactical agency. As much as I don't tend to have as much fun playing it as I do 2nd edition/Titan Legions (especially if playing Orks)

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

 Pacific wrote:
I'd love to give Epic 40k a go one day, as the people that play it do tend to swear by it!

I’ll bet. They probably say “what the bloody he’ll am I playing this for” 🤣🤣

Haha careful! You might end up on 3 or 4 people's ignore list!! (I joke..! Sorry Albertorius!)

It's a really sad thing LI rules won't be translated, because I already know that will be the main reason the game won't be as popular as it could have been like with older editions of Epic in my country or France. In my club, people already told me they're not interested because the rules won't be available in french.

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 lord_blackfang wrote:

Sarouan wrote:

Fun fact : last version of AI rules were actually praised as great to pick up because of their simplicity, just like Epic 40k in its time. It wasn't a question of "quality" either.

Praised by whom? I've seen like one or two people on Dakka say they enjoyed it and a lot of people saying they were interested until they saw it was a dumbed down version of the original / X-wing.

I'll agree Man o War was legitimately great, even by modern standards. I can say this because I first read it like 3 years ago

Yeah I've never seen anyone say anything good about AI.

You just didn't look at the places that matter, like boardgamegeek, from players who start completely from nothing and didn't have a bias from the start because of the older edition of AI. Like it or not, the core of the rules were simple to grasp and easy to learn, while still having a strategic level with the way orders were given hidden and alternating activations to execute them. Balance was maybe an issue for some factions here and there, but in general with the content of core boxes ? It worked well. It just wasn't supported in the best way by GW, who never really believed in its potential as usual.

 lord_blackfang wrote:


Praised by whom? I've seen like one or two people on Dakka say they enjoyed it and a lot of people saying they were interested until they saw it was a dumbed down version of the original / X-wing.

While lacking in detail it was praised in my neck of the woods for being the most ideal 40K gateway game; simple and affordable. Goonhammer offered similar praise.

Sarouan wrote:
It wasn't a question of "quality" either.

AI is probably one of the most controversial Specialist Games rulesets from GW I've heard of. Never played the game itself, but every single time I asked about it those people who did, the answers ranged from "uninspired and mediocre" to "the fact that it exists is complete humiliation of the players' intelligence by GW". While it is true that quality of the rules maybe is not the most decisive factor for a tabletop miniatures games, Aeronautica definitely was not free from problems. Same people were generally fine with bloody Necromunda, by the way, so it had to be truly something for them to hate it so much.

Goonhammer offered similar praise.

Truth be told, there are very few things Goonhammer is hesitant to "praise".

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

 Pacific wrote:
I'd love to give Epic 40k a go one day, as the people that play it do tend to swear by it!

I’ll bet. They probably say “what the bloody he’ll am I playing this for” 🤣🤣

Sure, that's exactly it. /s

It is honestly interesting, the fact that you can't seem to be able to avoid getting out of your way to bash on a game that you seem not to care for. Every. Single. Time.

Show us on the doll where Epic 40k hurt you

I think he might have been joking. It was a ‘Bottom’ reference…

 Snord wrote:
I think he might have been joking. It was a ‘Bottom’ reference…

Dunno, he repeats the same one every single time someone dares to mention the bloody game... kinda stops being funny after a while.

 SgtBANZAI wrote:


Truth be told, there are very few things Goonhammer is hesitant to "praise".

I think that goes for any channel that is sent free products from GW to review( advertise ).

But using my own judgement, it was being enjoyed on the other tables and players only too happy to "go again", while my own little cabal was instead content using the aircraft rules for Horizon Wars.

Ah, more slamming of Aeronautica and no one has played the game. It gets good reviews generally across the board online. Plus I've actually played the game! My opinion matters more!

AI is a tight game that is overall pretty balanced and any balance issues were fixed pretty quickly. It is quick to pick up and play and there is plenty of scope to strategize through the movement phase.

Similar to Titanicus, the base rules are pretty simple and you can then add more complexity to the game through the missions and extra rules that came in the compendium.

The idea that Necromunda was fine and AI wasn't is just laughable.

I've played 100 games of X-wing and 1 of AI (after going all in with 2 starters on pre-release), I say with full confidence it was the least effort ruleset GW ever had on sale, I include Dreadfleet, Speed Freeks and other fire and forget garbage in this.

An interesting thing I noted was the Warwick Kinrade is down as a designer on the 2019 version wiki page (not just the original version). I had no idea he was still involved with GW, as after he stopped doing the Imperial Armour books he has been doing WW2 historical rulesets for Battlegroup for years now.

AI is not the topic of this thread, if you want to continue discussing it then do so in a new thread for it.

One of the leaked pages from the next white dwarf with the pictures of LI imperial fist apparently references the game being released, so that may mean nothing or that may be further indication that the rumour of pre order on the 18th is likely.

 Crablezworth wrote:
One of the leaked pages from the next white dwarf with the pictures of LI imperial fist apparently references the game being released, so that may mean nothing or that may be further indication that the rumour of pre order on the 18th is likely.

Sounds like an indication this issue of WD was written in July, and they didn't have time (or didn't remember) to amend it.

Chances are they didn't have time. Those WD will have been printed over a month or so ago. Then again it might also be that they wanted the article kept to keep the hype going and that little bit of text either wasn't edited it was too late to be edited. It certainly reads like an article intended to compliment a big release either the month before or earlier in the magazine.

 Overread wrote:
Chances are they didn't have time. Those WD will have been printed over a month or so ago. Then again it might also be that they wanted the article kept to keep the hype going and that little bit of text either wasn't edited it was too late to be edited. It certainly reads like an article intended to compliment a big release either the month before or earlier in the magazine.

Well for what it's worth I found a link, but ya could have just been something left as it was from months ago.

Yes, it looks like a question of the White Dwarf being made way before the delay happened. I don't think there's a link here.

On the actual news and rumors front...

Could just be coincidence, but received an email advert from Art of War for laser-cut LI tokens.

Might mean that review copies of the rulebook are starting to make their way into the wild...

VAYASEN wrote:
Sorry if its been covered already but can I ask, will each Legion have different rules on tabletop?

Will Space Wolves for example have 'Space Wolf' units and traits?

Some nice paint jobs in this months White Dwarf. It shows what can be done even at this tiny scale.

I went to my local GW store today (didn't think it would be open on Armistice rememberance day), and surprise, they got the LI box and were working on building the miniatures. The book wasn't there to see, but everything else was. I was only disappointed with the infantry models (some parts that should be thinner / have holes arecovered by a plastic block that looks pretty bad when you focus on it - but I guess it's a compromise to make it sturdier given the scale).

So release is imminent (they couldn't tell me the exact date, so I didn't insist).

Hopefully it’s pre-order date is announced tomorrow, so we should know prices Monday.

Despite selling out fast the Christmas boxed sets have a 2 week window. This might mean we get nothing new next week; or nothing major new until the Christmas stuff is out of the warehouse.

All the recent releases have had a two week window

Not sure when it changed, but it did.

 Overread wrote:
Despite selling out fast the Christmas boxed sets have a 2 week window. This might mean we get nothing new next week; or nothing major new until the Christmas stuff is out of the warehouse.

Past weeks been constant 2 week with another 2 week next week.

This 2 week is unexpeted(likely to ease delivery times) so usual nothing in middleweek doesn't apply.

It's been 2 week for everything for over month and new stuff every week.

Oh and rumour says tomorrow necron/admech announced. Next week li then.

tneva82 wrote:


Oh and rumour says tomorrow necron/admech announced. Next week li then.

Those aren't actually the newest rumours anymore. The newest say release on the 2nd, which with a two week preorder means preorder next Saturday. This would also make more sense in combination with AoS as they got a preorder for their current campaign on the Saturday after every fourth shortstory fort he last three books which would be the 25th with the current set of shortstories.


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Another image from a GW store so they all seem to be getting the box right now

Valrak just uploaded a short video with one interesting bit for LI in there, apparently the box will be £120.
Would be the same price as the new Cerastus knights so £120/155€/$200

 Matrindur wrote:
Valrak just uploaded a short video with one interesting bit for LI in there, apparently the box will be £120.
Would be the same price as the new Cerastus knights so £120/155€/$200

That 120 from GW...so maybe 100 or so from other retailers?

That seems... okayish?

£95 minimum I reckon.

Not too bad, Spesh if you can do Swapsies to focus on Maureens or Auxilia.