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MoD_Legion wrote:
I haven't even gotten my core box from my FLGS yet (their shipment got 'lost in the warp' by GW) and there's already a supplement coming, fml

at least GW are consistent

tneva82 wrote:

Tavis75 wrote:
Not quite sure on the point of the "Titandeath" rules, sounds like it's designed for games purely of knights and titans, so basically Adeptus Titanicus but without all the in depth titan rules.

Does allow for bigger games between titans without breaking the game.

For example that would be scale where imperators might actually work up. AT imperator would break up.

Yep...basically Titan mega-battles. I'm an AT guy, but I'm good with this...it's a good use of the very stripped-down LI Titan rules.

And hey, look at that Dire Wolf. Sooner we get that one, the sooner we can get more Titans...hopefully...

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 tauist wrote:
I hope the epub releases the same time as the physical book, as has been the case so far for LI.

What do people use for epubs? Does everyone just have a tablet by default these days? Do you edit out all the waffle between the rules to make it easier to navigate?

A laptop doesn't really seem convenient for wargaming, and I imagine my ereader (old Kindle) won't be able to do anything with it.

I generally get GW via Apple Books and use an iPad. However for Bolt Action, they make ePubs available through Google and I can use my phone (kind of small) or any tablet or computer. Again, for those I tend to use Google Books on my iPad. I wish GW released through Google as well as on Apple. While it is nice to get the direct ePub file from WDigital, I would like more outlets.

 gorgon wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

Tavis75 wrote:
Not quite sure on the point of the "Titandeath" rules, sounds like it's designed for games purely of knights and titans, so basically Adeptus Titanicus but without all the in depth titan rules.

Does allow for bigger games between titans without breaking the game.

For example that would be scale where imperators might actually work up. AT imperator would break up.

Yep...basically Titan mega-battles. I'm an AT guy, but I'm good with this...it's a good use of the very stripped-down LI Titan rules.

And hey, look at that Dire Wolf. Sooner we get that one, the sooner we can get more Titans...hopefully...

The upside too is, for those AT fans who always do those giant mega battles that go all of 2 turns, this present a viable way to do a titan/knight mega battle in a reasonable timeframe without all the extra space needed for terminals.

Goblin Gaming seem to have had a restock of most stuff, but no infantry.

I feel like I'm going crazy... didn't they explicitly tell us that they had no plans to do titan/knight only forces because they "already had a game for that"?

Are they walking that back with the first expansion book (which must have been in the hopper already by the time they would've said this in a Q&A), or am I misremembering completely?

Well LI main game still doesn't. Those are basically subgame for LI. So you won't be seeing those in your regular matched play games(unless you enjoy using your 3k vs 6k of titans )

 Rihgu wrote:
I feel like I'm going crazy... didn't they explicitly tell us that they had no plans to do titan/knight only forces because they "already had a game for that"?

Are they walking that back with the first expansion book (which must have been in the hopper already by the time they would've said this in a Q&A), or am I misremembering completely?

I think the point is that they don't actually have a game for battles of say, 15 Titans a side, or whatever their stated 6000 point game size supports. AT can't really support that.

For 2000 point games...that's a case of "go play AT".

I would think an expansion that actually allowed AT players to play LI against LI players would be more useful than an expansion only allowing AT players to continue to play only against other AT players but with a new ruleset they need to buy two hardcovers for.

 gorgon wrote:

 Rihgu wrote:
I feel like I'm going crazy... didn't they explicitly tell us that they had no plans to do titan/knight only forces because they "already had a game for that"?

Are they walking that back with the first expansion book (which must have been in the hopper already by the time they would've said this in a Q&A), or am I misremembering completely?

I think the point is that they don't actually have a game for battles of say, 15 Titans a side, or whatever their stated 6000 point game size supports. AT can't really support that.

For 2000 point games...that's a case of "go play AT".

Classic warlord, 2 reaver 2 warhound maniple is 2400. 6000 has thus easily over 10. 18 warhounds also option.


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 lord_blackfang wrote:
I would think an expansion that actually allowed AT players to play LI against LI players would be more useful than an expansion only allowing AT players to continue to play only against other AT players but with a new ruleset they need to buy two hardcovers for.

Except skew lists tends to break the game.

Titans would shoot and take damage but with 0 objective control...well it would be very black&white game.

at a guess there will be scenarios with differing win conditions, or alternative tactical strength tables (why couldn't they call it "Objective Control"?)

Not sure how I feel about this... On the one hand, it's very soon to get a major supplement, but the base game seems to be lacking a lot of part for armies to actually work (such as transports for SA). Not sure how the delay factors into this, nor what the initial plans were.

Also not sure on the release schedule for minis with this announcement. Are they going to slip individual releases for the Leman Russ, Malcador, Predator & Sicaran between now and the end of the month, followed by a huge wave of releases for all the new minis in the Great Slaughter ? In which case "The Great Slaughter" probably refers to the players' wallets...

Or are we going to have a situation where the only way to get some Leman Russ will be the core box, but newer units will be available ? Weird if it's the case.

Lastly, I really don't like that in order to play Titan legions/Knight households, you are basically playing Adeptus Titanicus redux. Was hoping for something a bit more developed/involved than this kind of cop out.

But still, it's nice to see more content for the game, and some fleshed out rules and a campaign system.

CorwinB wrote:
Not sure how I feel about this... On the one hand, it's very soon to get a major supplement, but the base game seems to be lacking a lot of part for armies to actually work (such as transports for SA). Not sure how the delay factors into this, nor what the initial plans were.

Also not sure on the release schedule for minis with this announcement. Are they going to slip individual releases for the Leman Russ, Malcador, Predator & Sicaran between now and the end of the month, followed by a huge wave of releases for all the new minis in the Great Slaughter ? In which case "The Great Slaughter" probably refers to the players' wallets...

Or are we going to have a situation where the only way to get some Leman Russ will be the core box, but newer units will be available ? Weird if it's the case.

Lastly, I really don't like that in order to play Titan legions/Knight households, you are basically playing Adeptus Titanicus redux. Was hoping for something a bit more developed/involved than this kind of cop out.

But still, it's nice to see more content for the game, and some fleshed out rules and a campaign system.

a) the supplement was planned long time ago. Delay irrelevant
b) my guess. Individual boxes and some of the supplement's first, rest bit later
c) we already have seen individual russ box. They are coming

As others said, this doesn't really let you play LI with a knight or titan army, it let's you play a big game of AT using LI rules.... but it is a framework for that to happen, if LI players can stomach scaling up to 6k pt games, though it won't necessarily be balanced. I suspect once all the factions are decked out with their titan killers it may become a supported game mode, but I expect LI faction players will be investing a few thousand points into things like falchions in order to make it work.

xttz wrote:Well this is sooner than expected!

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/01/04/heresy-thursday-titandeath-comes-to-legions-imperialis-in-the-great-slaughter/

The Great Slaughter will be available to pre-order later this month

I guess they are just rolling with the original roadmap for the game and ignoring the delay of the initial launch. When was it supposed to launch? August? September? Anyway January would have been a pretty standard time for an expansion.

tneva82 wrote:
Well LI main game still doesn't. Those are basically subgame for LI. So you won't be seeing those in your regular matched play games(unless you enjoy using your 3k vs 6k of titans )

This. If I’ve read it right, this is specific “Titan only” games for LI, rather than “here’s how you can field nowt but Titans and ROFLstomp armies made up of infantry and tanks”.

It’s bait for AT players. Shamelessly so

leopard wrote:
nice to see the book due soon, less pleased it looks like a lot of it is fludd or otherwise not needed to actually play but ends up being lugged about.

Mario would like to know what your problem with the F.L.U.D.D is...

 SgtEeveell wrote:

xttz wrote:Well this is sooner than expected!

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/01/04/heresy-thursday-titandeath-comes-to-legions-imperialis-in-the-great-slaughter/

The Great Slaughter will be available to pre-order later this month

I guess they are just rolling with the original roadmap for the game and ignoring the delay of the initial launch. When was it supposed to launch? August? September? Anyway January would have been a pretty standard time for an expansion.

Yeah, IIRC the Titandeath AT supplement was a January release after the August launch of the game.

Well they want to get back to schedule sooner or later so some fastening was to be expected.

Easier to just release later stuff as planned rather than post pone everything permanently.

It’s an experience you’ll rarely see anywhere else – unless...

...you already play Adeptus Titanicus.

Its time for GW to either embrace all three epic scale games for what they each have to offer, or go all-in with Legions and ditch the other two. I'd prefer the first option but right now I don't think anyone is happy with the current state of any of these three games.

SamusDrake wrote:

It’s an experience you’ll rarely see anywhere else – unless...

...you already play Adeptus Titanicus.

Its time for GW to either embrace all three epic scale games for what they each have to offer, or go all-in with Legions and ditch the other two. I'd prefer the first option but right now I don't think anyone is happy with the current state of any of these three games.

Adeptus titanicus doesn't work well for multi maniple games though. Good luck playing 15 warhounds...Or even something like 3 warlords, 5 reavers and 4 warhounds.

Note how your typical AT game is but a small part of titandeath game in LI.

tneva82 wrote:


Adeptus titanicus doesn't work well for multi maniple games though. Good luck playing 15 warhounds...Or even something like 3 warlords, 5 reavers and 4 warhounds.

Note how your typical AT game is but a small part of titandeath game in LI.

Even if you do save the space on the terminals, you would still need a table large enough to field 20 Warlord titans worth of models and enough terrain to keep the game interesting. Not even Legion's rules are going to save it from being a parking lot experience.

Tavis75 wrote:
Not quite sure on the point of the "Titandeath" rules, sounds like it's designed for games purely of knights and titans, so basically Adeptus Titanicus but without all the in depth titan rules.

I was thinking along those lines as well, but AT points aren't that far off LI points for Titans, so 6K is going be something like 10-12+ engines per side with a few knights on top of that. So AT apocalypse rules I suppose.
Bit of a shame there's not more of a crossover between the two though - few formations that sneak another engine or two into them so you get closer to a 50% mix or so. Or even a full 70% Titan/Kight force with supporting tech guard/Legion support etc.

There should be a game mode where you start off with infantry and build up to calling in drop-titans as reinforcements. Stand by for titanfall!

SamusDrake wrote:

It’s an experience you’ll rarely see anywhere else – unless...

...you already play Adeptus Titanicus.

Its time for GW to either embrace all three epic scale games for what they each have to offer, or go all-in with Legions and ditch the other two. I'd prefer the first option but right now I don't think anyone is happy with the current state of any of these three games.

Honestly, I'm pretty good with AT at the moment. Starter sets are back, and new Warhound kits will probably follow with the Dire Wolf kit. I'd like to get more new Titans after the plastic DW, but we'll just have to see. At one time I thought xenos Titans were a strong possibility, but I'm not so sure now. Seems like the only design space that team is allowed is the 30K era. So that may mean more Imperial Titans after all. They'll want new stuff to sell people, after all.

I'm also at least looking forward to the Direwolves.

looking forward to seeing what they have done with the campaign part of this as well, could be good, could be phoned in, no way to tell until we have it

leopard wrote:
looking forward to seeing what they have done with the campaign part of this as well, could be good, could be phoned in, no way to tell until we have it

It'll almost certainly be the gamble a location to win one more type that was in Titanicus and almost all GW ones (pretty sure necromunda uses the same system too), with territories providing some kind of requisition points to expand out a roster to pick a list from and some way for some units to earn VPs.

There's still a fairly wide spectrum as far as how that can shake out, but I'd generally expect it to assume that you've got multiple players in the campaign (especially with the single page of Nyrcon City we've seen) and not really anything to handle runaway wins or catch ups - I feel probably as it's designed for multiple players split across two(ish) sides, so one side becoming dominant is basically a win. Though they do sometimes have an underdog bonus that rewards players doing badly for occasionally taking on front runners.

 gorgon wrote:
Honestly, I'm pretty good with AT at the moment. Starter sets are back,

This side of the pond they lasted about 2 days

Having seen an all-titan game versus space marines at 3k points, Titans are actually far squishier than people think. The titans were tabled by turn 2 in LI by the space marines.

So, it'll be interesting to see how the larger LI titan games will go. I imagine it much like chess, where big titans get removed turn by turn. It'll be a fun thing to do.

Some of y'all like "ugh this titan game is worse than the other titan game" and I'm over here like "Holy feck TWO TITAN GAMES"