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https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/03/14/heresy-thursday-eradicate-titans-with-new-super-heavy-tanks-for-legions-imperialis/

New SA super heavies

Likely two per box again and can Build Shadowswords, Stormblades and Stormswords.
Rules will be in the next expansion book

Any idea wether those are full kits or FW upgrades ?

CorwinB wrote:
Any idea wether those are full kits or FW upgrades ?

They talk about that the sprues can build the three variants in the article so likely plastic

 Matrindur wrote:

CorwinB wrote:
Any idea wether those are full kits or FW upgrades ?

They talk about that the sprues can build the three variants in the article so likely plastic

Thanks!

Those tanks are beautiful, but the fact that the game that has been released less than a year ago is getting a third (and probably not the last) book for the two core factions is honestly ridiculous.

Kretualdo wrote:
Those tanks are beautiful, but the fact that the game that has been released less than a year ago is getting a third (and probably not the last) book for the two core factions is honestly ridiculous.

True, especially if you factor in availability... The Great Slaughter is currently out of stock on GW's website, so even if you can get your hands on the new minis, you can't get the rules (in an official, legal, fashion, and unless you want the digital version of the rulebook, which many people don't).

Guess they didn't want to go the way HH did, publish the full lists then drip feed models hoping those who printed or proxied by official replacements

Yes sir, I like it!~

Now give me my Fellblades. And Glaives.

Engine Killer 2, so the Volcano on the Shadowsword is probably the same as on the DireWolf.

The plasma is likely the one on the Warhound.

The StormSword profile... no idea...

leopard wrote:
Guess they didn't want to go the way HH did, publish the full lists then drip feed models hoping those who printed or proxied by official replacements

Heresy was released to existing players with often extensive collections. Legions Imperialis much less so.

Give us Astartes superheavies you cowards!!


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And yeah, launching Horus Heresy 2.0 with only rules for the first wave of plastic kits would have been like if they released a new space marine codex for 10th where the only rules available were for those units that were in the Leviathan box. It would have pissed off a lot of existing customers. The reality is that basically everything that had rules published in a hardback book when HH2.0 released had model kits available, either in plastic or in resin.

Curious if they'll be covering Molech next for both Legions and Heresy...

The Astartes have the Kratos super-heavy.

Really, though, the two factions need to start settling into their respective roles. So the Auxilia need their big guns - both in super-heavy tanks, and artillery.

Though I still stand by my earlier statement that GW had better have a massive wave of releases before we get the next book.

hopefully get the current stuff released, and actually available

appointing someone who knows that the word balance means more than the thing in the kitchen would be good too

They do look beautiful , I particularly love the Shadowsword variant.

Eumerin wrote:
The Astartes have the Kratos super-heavy.

Really, though, the two factions need to start settling into their respective roles. So the Auxilia need their big guns - both in super-heavy tanks, and artillery.

Though I still stand by my earlier statement that GW had better have a massive wave of releases before we get the next book.

It's not a super heavy, it's just a tank (heavy tank, like malcador).


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Kretualdo wrote:
Those tanks are beautiful, but the fact that the game that has been released less than a year ago is getting a third (and probably not the last) book for the two core factions is honestly ridiculous.

Agreed, especially with no mia culpa from gw and zero communications on when even baseline units that are still only in the starter will be available on their own. I couldn't even get the 2nd book and now don't want it, can't see the 3rd one being a better situation sadly. But ya, 60$ for another 10 pages of unit rules is getting a bit cynical even for gw.

These are just too adorable! 🥰 The

 Crablezworth wrote:

Eumerin wrote:
The Astartes have the Kratos super-heavy.

Really, though, the two factions need to start settling into their respective roles. So the Auxilia need their big guns - both in super-heavy tanks, and artillery.

Though I still stand by my earlier statement that GW had better have a massive wave of releases before we get the next book.

It's not a super heavy, it's just a tank (heavy tank, like malcador).

No, the Malcador is a battle tank. Both the Kratos and the Baneblade are found in "Heavy Tank Detachments". The Malcador is found in a "Battle Tank Detachment". The Kratos, like the Baneblade, has a 2+ save and 2 wounds. The Malcador also has 2 wounds, but has a 3+ save (the only other tank with a 2+ save is the Leman Russ). The Solar Auxilia movement distribution for its tanks is 7" (Baneblade), 8" (Leman Russ), and 9" (Malcador). The Astartes movement distribution is 8" (Kratos), 9" (Predator), 10" (Sicaran).

The Kratos has more in common with the Baneblade than it does with the Malcador, imo.

And, again, Solar Auxilia gets the big heavy stuff. They're the slow, ponderous army with the big guns. The Astartes are the faster, more flexible and responsive army.

I just hope we get Sabres sooner rather than later. Though these SH are very pretty.

Eumerin wrote:

No, the Malcador is a battle tank. Both the Kratos and the Baneblade are found in "Heavy Tank Detachments". The Malcador is found in a "Battle Tank Detachment". The Kratos, like the Baneblade, has a 2+ save and 2 wounds. The Malcador also has 2 wounds, but has a 3+ save (the only other tank with a 2+ save is the Leman Russ). The Solar Auxilia movement distribution for its tanks is 7" (Baneblade), 8" (Leman Russ), and 9" (Malcador). The Astartes movement distribution is 8" (Kratos), 9" (Predator), 10" (Sicaran).

The Kratos has more in common with the Baneblade than it does with the Malcador, imo.

And, again, Solar Auxilia gets the big heavy stuff. They're the slow, ponderous army with the big guns. The Astartes are the faster, more flexible and responsive army.

That's cool and everything but the Baneblade is listed as "Super-heavy Vehicle" (scale 3) while the kratos is just a "Vehicle" (scale 2)

Eumerin wrote:

 Crablezworth wrote:

Eumerin wrote:
The Astartes have the Kratos super-heavy.

Really, though, the two factions need to start settling into their respective roles. So the Auxilia need their big guns - both in super-heavy tanks, and artillery.

Though I still stand by my earlier statement that GW had better have a massive wave of releases before we get the next book.

It's not a super heavy, it's just a tank (heavy tank, like malcador).

No, the Malcador is a battle tank. Both the Kratos and the Baneblade are found in "Heavy Tank Detachments". The Malcador is found in a "Battle Tank Detachment". The Kratos, like the Baneblade, has a 2+ save and 2 wounds. The Malcador also has 2 wounds, but has a 3+ save (the only other tank with a 2+ save is the Leman Russ). The Solar Auxilia movement distribution for its tanks is 7" (Baneblade), 8" (Leman Russ), and 9" (Malcador). The Astartes movement distribution is 8" (Kratos), 9" (Predator), 10" (Sicaran).

The Kratos has more in common with the Baneblade than it does with the Malcador, imo.

And, again, Solar Auxilia gets the big heavy stuff. They're the slow, ponderous army with the big guns. The Astartes are the faster, more flexible and responsive army.

And a kratos isn't a superheavy fren. This is the entire point people are complaining about, marines need some super heavies, like actual ones. Solar aux have enough already, stormhammer box isn't even out yet either so with this new preveiw that makes like 5 super havies for solar aux.


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 xttz wrote:

Eumerin wrote:

No, the Malcador is a battle tank. Both the Kratos and the Baneblade are found in "Heavy Tank Detachments". The Malcador is found in a "Battle Tank Detachment". The Kratos, like the Baneblade, has a 2+ save and 2 wounds. The Malcador also has 2 wounds, but has a 3+ save (the only other tank with a 2+ save is the Leman Russ). The Solar Auxilia movement distribution for its tanks is 7" (Baneblade), 8" (Leman Russ), and 9" (Malcador). The Astartes movement distribution is 8" (Kratos), 9" (Predator), 10" (Sicaran).

The Kratos has more in common with the Baneblade than it does with the Malcador, imo.

And, again, Solar Auxilia gets the big heavy stuff. They're the slow, ponderous army with the big guns. The Astartes are the faster, more flexible and responsive army.

That's cool and everything but the Baneblade is listed as "Super-heavy Vehicle" (scale 3) while the kratos is just a "Vehicle" (scale 2)

Exactly ya.


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 ingtaer wrote:
I just hope we get Sabres sooner rather than later. Though these SH are very pretty.

And marine artillery other than quad guns.

Eumerin wrote:
The Astartes have the Kratos super-heavy.

Really, though, the two factions need to start settling into their respective roles. So the Auxilia need their big guns - both in super-heavy tanks, and artillery.

Though I still stand by my earlier statement that GW had better have a massive wave of releases before we get the next book.

This is Horus Heresy though, Space Marines had big guns in their Super Heavy Tanks in 30k.

It's one thing to both like and dislike about 30k as a setting, Astartes fill basically every role (at least everything smaller than a Titan). They have the super heavies, they have the big guns, they have the air force to support them.

I think that's actually one of the most interesting parts of the setting. You have marines in super heavies, strike aircraft, even loading artillery and garrison duties, things like that.

And helps differentiate from the 40k setting, where because they had shown they could not be trusted with all of the toys they had a lot of them taken away - and no gatherings of more than 1000 allowed!

Those are excellent. Hopefully the barrels can be easily fitted with magnets for some hot swap action…

Here's hoping for a full scale version eventually too, we never did get a plastic plasma blastgun for the 40k Baneblade, did we?

 zedmeister wrote:
Those are excellent. Hopefully the barrels can be easily fitted with magnets for some hot swap action…

The Baneblade/Hellhammer switch is pretty easy to do with magnets, so I'm pretty optimistic for this.

 Pacific wrote:
I think that's actually one of the most interesting parts of the setting. You have marines in super heavies, strike aircraft, even loading artillery and garrison duties, things like that.

And helps differentiate from the 40k setting, where because they had shown they could not be trusted with all of the toys they had a lot of them taken away - and no gatherings of more than 1000 allowed!

Same, I think people forget that the main fighting force in the Heresy was the Marines, they were the "imperial guard" of the time, the ones that did the main slogging of warfare while everything else was in support of them.

I also suspect we will not just be getting the Glaive, Fellblade and Falchion, I reckon we are going to get a new super heavy, also worth noting is the other Spartan chassis tanks like the Cerberus and Typhon then of course the Mastodon, all of this will help shorten the gap in armoured warfare with the Auxlia.

Mastodon i am particularly looking forward to

 Formosa wrote:

 Pacific wrote:
I think that's actually one of the most interesting parts of the setting. You have marines in super heavies, strike aircraft, even loading artillery and garrison duties, things like that.

And helps differentiate from the 40k setting, where because they had shown they could not be trusted with all of the toys they had a lot of them taken away - and no gatherings of more than 1000 allowed!

Same, I think people forget that the main fighting force in the Heresy was the Marines, they were the "imperial guard" of the time, the ones that did the main slogging of warfare while everything else was in support of them.
[snip].

I think people "forget" that, because its patently ridiculous.

Adding all the legion peak strengths together (taken from 40k fandom site, with no accuracy check) is about 2.1 million marines. An Imperium of 1m worlds cannot be retaken with that number of marines.

The only way it works is if the auxiliary baseline human forces are at the same scale as the Guard, i.e. quadrillions of troops.

According to the 40k fandom site numbers, there were twice as many Remembrancers as there were Marines, and apparently over 4,000 primary expedition fleets, or an average of around 500 marines per fleet.

The orders of magnitude are just way off...