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Looking forward to more tanks for my Astartes.

Interested if there are any new formations, and of course any unpreviewed units. Definitely going to get a few shadowdwords for my auxilia….

Almost certainly going to be new Formations. What, I dunno!

MarkNorfolk wrote:
Interested if there are any new formations, and of course any unpreviewed units. Definitely going to get a few shadowdwords for my auxilia….

Any other units with a kit would have been announced on WarCom by now. GW don't want random people revealing new models for them and this book will be in public already.

However given that we know of ~11 new unit entries (4 x Russ, 3 x Solar superheavy, 2 x Sicaran, Termite, Sabre), what are the other 13 cards in the deck? Is it a lot of new formations, or are the unit cards doubled up and we only get 2 new formations?

 xttz wrote:

MarkNorfolk wrote:
Interested if there are any new formations, and of course any unpreviewed units. Definitely going to get a few shadowdwords for my auxilia….

Any other units with a kit would have been announced on WarCom by now. GW don't want random people revealing new models for them and this book will be in public already.

However given that we know of ~11 new unit entries (4 x Russ, 3 x Solar superheavy, 2 x Sicaran, Termite, Sabre), what are the other 13 cards in the deck? Is it a lot of new formations, or are the unit cards doubled up and we only get 2 new formations?

Not sure about the core book cards but the Great Slaughter cards weren't doubled up and only had 22 cards. Split between 5 Formations and 17 unit cards. But I zoomed in and counted the cards in the image and its still pretty likely they are just doubled up since the image only shows a smaller stack of 12 cards which would be exactly the 11 detachments plus a formation while the Great Slaughter cards actually showed a bigger stack of cards (actually 33 so no idea what the plan was with that).

When I saw all the Mechanicum at the top of the article, I was beside myself...

...until I noticed it was the wrong scale. 😉

So, folks who have bought previous LI campaign books, are they worth getting just for the fluff? Not going to play LI anytime soon, but we are planning on running several Tallarn themed games and scenarios using our regular 30K tanks.

 BrookM wrote:
So, folks who have bought previous LI campaign books, are they worth getting just for the fluff? Not going to play LI anytime soon, but we are planning on running several Tallarn themed games and scenarios using our regular 30K tanks.

They're not quite on a par with the black books from 1st edition HH, but I'd very much recommend. The fluff is good and the maps and art is all very cool. With the Great Slaughter I modified some of the campaign missions and fluff to suit my own Titanicus campaign and it worked out very nicely.

Third part of SA heraldry https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/07/30/solar-auxilia-the-heraldry-of-honour-part-3/

No 'Tallarn Rough Riders' in the book. There's no justice in the world.

Why would they be present? The Battle of Tallarn was exclusively fought by armoured vehicles because the opening move by the iron warriors was to virus bomb the place. Every living thing on the surface was reduced to methane and mulch.

So I’m discovering. Oh well.

 Tyranid Horde wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
So, folks who have bought previous LI campaign books, are they worth getting just for the fluff? Not going to play LI anytime soon, but we are planning on running several Tallarn themed games and scenarios using our regular 30K tanks.

They're not quite on a par with the black books from 1st edition HH, but I'd very much recommend. The fluff is good and the maps and art is all very cool. With the Great Slaughter I modified some of the campaign missions and fluff to suit my own Titanicus campaign and it worked out very nicely.

I think the campaign rules/missions are the things I am most looking forward to about this, and hopefully some variety in the way those missions are played, beyond the vast majority of current missions which are just rush forward to objectives on turn 1. As someone pointed out on another forum, fog of war sounds like it might be going back to 2nd edition old school of setup boxes, or a hand-drawn map, to hide your deployment from your opponent perhaps?

BrookM - On fluff and artwork.. I would say if you have a reasonable HH collection from the 28mm game there is unlikely to be much to add. The formatting is subjective (I found it pretty dull, just blocks of text on colourless pages). As for artwork? It depends if you class the photoshopped miniatures as art. No doubt they took a lot of effort to do, but it still maddens me that they are sitting on that massive treasure trove of artwork from Collected Visions and also Neil Roberts' work and they just chose to not use any of it for this game..

every single bit of "art" is now little more than a catalogue shot, only slightly amazed each doesn't have a description following it of the models used

they have a massive art collection from Space Marine over the decades, I guess too much of it leads to "so when are the rules for that coming out?"

and the idea of more varied scenarios, more varied scoring, set up etc is firmly in "yes please"

I think even more than the rulebook and 'Slaughter..' Devastation of Tallarn falls foul of walls of text for the story (which I thought relayed the history of the battle quite bandly) and drawings of a predator here and a land raider there, in profile, taking up a third of a page.
Having read the novel Titandeath and the matching Adeptus Titanicus supplement, I thought I would have been 'Beta-Garmoned out' but for flavour I found The Great Slaughter the more interesting book.

Crunch wise though I'm a fan of the new formations, so rules wise Devastation of Tallarn wins out. I like the campaign stuff in both LI expansions.

Biggest worry is them turning Tallarn into a complete Astartes fest on both sides, whereas it has always mainly been one of loyalist Army units versus the Iron Warriors.

As for the Rough Riders remark, if McNeill did the writing, then yeah sure, they would've turned up for sure.. he described Tallarn as a desert world well before it got bombed into icky oblivion.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/08/01/building-a-better-city-how-warhammer-world-made-a-massive-modular-table-for-legions-imperialis/

TLDR: if you have 1000€ laying around and don't know what to do with that, you can build an awesome table by ordering today

or just invest into a 3D printer

The approach is great, but I am a bit let down how they didn't add more tiny debris onto the tiles. IME, adding tinyscale debris generously can greatly enhance a terrain piece's sense of scale. Of course you still want to keep the table playable, but yeh

Additionally, the architechture overall looks a bit too monotonious. We really should have a couple more building kits with more diverse wall styles. Like, check this 1st edition Space Marine reference - Even if the old cardboard buildings werent 3D, they had at least variety in architechtural styles

Taken from the The Devastation of Tallarn Army Cards description:

This 24-card pack contains:
– 2x Legiones Astartes Formation Cards
– 6x Legiones Astartes Detachment Datasheet Cards
– 3x Legiones Astartes Vehicle Commander Cards
– 2x Solar Auxilia Formation Cards
– 11x Solar Auxilia Detachment Datasheet Cards

For Astartes we currently only know about four detachments (Sabre, Sicaran Arcus and Punisher and Terrax) and even if they split up the Sabre too thats still only 5 while there are 6 cards here. They might have combined the Sicarans and doubled up to 6x but in the book itself the Battle Tank section has two pages while the Transport and Light Armour sections have one each which would only make sense if the Sicarans are split.
There are also the 3 Vehicle Commanders which I don't think we heard anything about before? which get their own section in the book

For SA we have 11 detachments while we know about 7 (Four LR versions and 3 Super heavy versions) so I also can't see any variation of combining and doubling up that would make sense and add up to 11 cards
For book pages we have three for the Heavy Armour and four for the Battle Tank sections

In conclusion its very likely there are more kits coming

 Matrindur wrote:

For SA we have 11 detachments while we know about 7 (Four LR versions and 3 Super heavy versions) so I also can't see any variation of combining and doubling up that would make sense and add up to 11 cards
For book pages we have three for the Heavy Armour and four for the Battle Tank sections

In conclusion its very likely there are more kits coming

Unfortunately I don't see that, as GW don't work that way anymore. They're only going to reveal new kits long in advance via WarCom, not via giving the book to customers or influencers.

Last Sunday's article said:
"This set also comes with three Legiones Astartes Vehicle Commander Cards, which contain the commander profiles and their special rules"

Seems likely that any extra cards are things like that - veteran or commander versions for existing kits.

 xttz wrote:

 Matrindur wrote:

For SA we have 11 detachments while we know about 7 (Four LR versions and 3 Super heavy versions) so I also can't see any variation of combining and doubling up that would make sense and add up to 11 cards
For book pages we have three for the Heavy Armour and four for the Battle Tank sections

In conclusion its very likely there are more kits coming

Unfortunately I don't see that, as GW don't work that way anymore. They're only going to reveal new kits long in advance via WarCom, not via giving the book to customers or influencers.

Last Sunday's article said:
"This set also comes with three Legiones Astartes Vehicle Commander Cards, which contain the commander profiles and their special rules"

Seems likely that any extra cards are things like that - veteran or commander versions for existing kits.

Yeah I also didn't really think it would happen but I some small hope at least. But taken from the Goonhammer review there aren't any additional units in the book. The additional cards could instead be for the Formations of Legends

Preordered only the cards for now, as usual. Mechanicum battlegroup was my main priority this month, LI stuff can wait.. I got so much to build in the micro machines dept already

We have some advance review copies this time, with Sprues & Brews thoroughly covering the rules side.

https://spruesandbrews.com/2024/08/03/legions-imperialis-the-devastation-of-tallarn-review-warhammer-the-horus-heresy/

This still doesn't really explain the extra detachment cards though. it confirms four new Marine detachments and seven for Solar as expected. The 'formations of legend' don't add up.

Meanwhile Chaos Bunker has some in-depth reviews on the kits. It confirms that the new Sicarans again come with full turrets, so potentially you can even swap turret with any existing Sicarans that aren't glued. With the SA super-heavy kit it's also possible to magnetise weapon options with a drill.
https://www.chaosbunker.de/en/

Formations Of Legend sound cool. Might be a fun way to "balance" games, by being forced to pick only FOL detachments?

All in all, I'm starting to feel like LI is close to becoming a "complete" game in the sense that most typical units have stats and models after this expansion has fully released. Now we just need more factions!

for those losing sleep over it....

Sicaran Arcus x2
Sicaran Punisher x2
Legion Termite
Legion Sabre
Auxilia Shadowsword
Auxilia Stormsword
Auxilia Stormblade
Leman Russ Executioner x2
Leman Russ Demolisher x2
Leman Russ Annihilator x2
Leman Russ Exterminator x2
Legion Predator Commander
Legion Sicaran Commander
Legion Kratos Commander

Legion Heavy Assault Spearhead
Legion Subterran Assault
Titan Hunter Company
Leman Russ Spearhead

MarkNorfolk wrote:
for those losing sleep over it....

Sicaran Arcus x2
Sicaran Punisher x2
Legion Termite
Legion Sabre
Auxilia Shadowsword
Auxilia Stormsword
Auxilia Stormblade
Leman Russ Executioner x2
Leman Russ Demolisher x2
Leman Russ Annihilator x2
Leman Russ Exterminator x2
Legion Predator Commander
Legion Sicaran Commander
Legion Kratos Commander

Legion Heavy Assault Spearhead
Legion Subterran Assault
Titan Hunter Company
Leman Russ Spearhead

I guess you are talking about the cards? In that case its weird how they doubled up on some of the cards but not all of them

Thanks for that @Mark.

Another review on Goonhammer which is pretty comprehensive

https://www.goonhammer.com/the-goonhammer-review-legions-imperialis-the-devastation-of-tallarn/

It sounds like a lot of extra content for campaign missions, granular detail on the units you can pick, but we are still waiting for a lot of basic units to be added to the roster. Expansion number 2, and we still don't have Vindicators, marine artillery, some marine Super Heavies. And it's an oft-used joke by Necromunda players, but soon you'll need your own servitor to carry books between games.

I'm really interested in the campaign format idea and we have a dedicated group of players that I think it will suit, so am going to put in a pre-order.