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I expect the next Book for LI is Mechanicum only, without any new Stuff for Marines and Auxillia...

Whoa! I'm pretty cynical about GW's side games (and LI didn't really land for me despite initially being very hyped, but mainly because it seemed like, even with the very limited Only Humans HH setting, they didn't make different Astartes subfactions actually have any reason not to mix and match) but this mech release is fantastic. And since they never had a notable official range of releases, it feels somewhat fresher than the Astartes and Auxilia since we've previously had Space Marines and Imperial Guard.

RazorEdge wrote:
I expect the next Book for LI is Mechanicum only, without any new Stuff for Marines and Auxillia...

Really doubt that. They’ll want maximum sales, so they’ll ensure there’s something for Marines in there at the very least.

I suspect it will be a campaign book that heavily features the Admech and introduces them as a faction, plus will still add a unit or two for existing collectors "here are the Legions and Solar units that fought against/with them in the campaign on the planet Wibbelywang"

 Pacific wrote:
I suspect it will be a campaign book that heavily features the Admech and introduces them as a faction, plus will still add a unit or two for existing collectors "here are the Legions and Solar units that fought against/with them in the campaign on the planet Wibbelywang"

I'm expecting a LI version of the Martian Civil War book that HH just got, with the Astartes element focused on the Retrieve the armour plot and Solar Aux as maybe helping hold the line with the loyalists on mars.

RazorEdge wrote:
I expect the next Book for LI is Mechanicum only, without any new Stuff for Marines and Auxillia...

Once you add kits for the Krios, Karacnos, and possibly Ordinatus engines the LI range covers pretty much everything of note from the current 28mm roster*. Beyond that GW pretty much have to introduce new units.

I see basically two ways GW can do this faction launch:
1) Include the vehicles in the next book and 'complete' the Mechanicum range for now. With around 8-10 total kits that would fulfill the typical two release waves that accompany an LI supplement, and keeps Mechanicum rules contained into one book.
2) With the next supplement they release some token kits that non-Mechanicum players might want to buy like marine tanks or plastic Mechanicum knights, and stretch out Mechanicum into two books by keeping the vehicles back for supplement #4.

Place your bets now!

*except for named characters, Secutarii, and OOP things like the Macrocarid

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
I'm expecting a LI version of the Martian Civil War book that HH just got, with the Astartes element focused on the Retrieve the armour plot and Solar Aux as maybe helping hold the line with the loyalists on mars.

Yeah. This makes sense. Mostly AdMech, but with a little something for everyone.

It could make thematic sense to give Astartes their super heavies for scrapping it out with Mechanicum Constructs.

I think They are going to focus on Mechanicum and SM for the next few waves.

Solar Auxilia was basically finished during the first year only missing the Aurox and maybe the Carnodon and then little things like additional weapons for Velatarii.
That could also be a reason why SA got all their Super Heavies while SM still have none, because they wanted to "finish" that faction for now while SM are always going to get support.

Now for the second year they are starting Mechanicum while SM keep getting support and when Mechanicum is mostly finished the next faction would get released.

Of course that doesn't mean a faction won't get releases anymore after their phase is over as I said above SA could still get the Aurox, Carnodon and weapon options but I think the general release plan of releasing 1 faction until it is mostly finished and then starting the next while releasing SM alongside them throughout wouldn't be unexpected.

And just for the initial book I could even see Mechanicum only as it would be alot of units compared to how many have been in the previous books

That’s definitely possible, and in terms of Debigulated 28mm kits, an accurate summary.

But…epic is the Mother of Invention here. So there’s still opportunity to expand Solar Auxilia going forward. So whilst agreeing with Matrindur, I suspect it’s a “that’s it, for now”, and not an overall “that’s it”

I'm guessing that marine and solar will be all-aircraft formations for the new book, with the intention of being used as allied support for both Mechanicum and Houses.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
That’s definitely possible, and in terms of Debigulated 28mm kits, an accurate summary.

But…epic is the Mother of Invention here. So there’s still opportunity to expand Solar Auxilia going forward. So whilst agreeing with Matrindur, I suspect it’s a “that’s it, for now”, and not an overall “that’s it”

Yeah its for sure not going to be it for SA as they can invent anything for them especially in the larger compartment but that is probably still a way out.

Its also why I wouldn't expect the Ordinatus yet as I think those really big things like them or the Capitol Imperialis if they bring it back as a SA unit or the Stormbird for SM will come later with another round of releases for everybody.

So first a round of "that's it for now" to get every factions to the level of normal 28mm armies and then another round with the unusual things you wouldn't normally be able to see in 28mm

I'm sure, they use LI to introduce further new big Stuff for the Armies, we sooner or later maybe will see in 28mm Full Size.

I’d never say never. But, debigulating say, a Reaver Titan, compared to resizographing a Capitol Imperialis isn’t the same thing.

Could you do a commerical, 28mm Capitol Imperialis kit? Sure. But in the materials GW work in? I don’t know, but am somewhat doubtful, as I suspect flexing is going to be an issue unless the plastic or resin is really thick.

Plus, sizeable, relatively unadorned armoured slabs have a very different aesthetic appeal between the two range sizes. What looks large and impressive in 8mm or whatever it is, could just look plain and boring in 28mm. Not to mention practicality of deployment and movement in 28mm.

Smaller stuff? Yes. I would expect if not demand any Epic First tanks up to an including Baneblade chassis size to be Resizographed into 28mm in the end.

Yeah, a Capitol Imperialis is nearly a Kill Team board all on its own in 28mm scale. In fact, fighting to board and capture one would probably make an excellent scenario.

Though I do recall some madmen have actually made “miniatures” of them for Apocalypse games. They even had rules around 3rd/4th edition.

Maybe I'm wishlisting because of my obvious bias, but it occurs to me that new Titans are also something they could still sell to players of any of these LI factions (and us AT players).

They still have the Rapier Scout Titan and the (Carnivore?) Reaver-Warhound 'tweener Titan as possible releases, as well as psi-versions of other Titan classes. You can't tell me those wouldn't sell, and they're something they could easily tack onto any new upcoming LI supplement. Dunno that it'll happen, of course.

As Titans can, so far, only really be taken as allies and thus face a firm points cap under standard rules? There’s definitely design room for different sizes of Titan.

But, as we’ve seen with Adeptus Titanicus, I wouldn’t expect them to have anything like the flexibility of loadout seen in the Warhound, Reaver and Warlord.

Those core three are you “Tactical” Titans. Those who you can tailor to your preferred strategy.

The others? Much more specific niches. Still deadly, but typically deadly at only a couple of things, preserving the appeal of the classic three chassis.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

I'm expecting a LI version of the Martian Civil War book that HH just got

That's harsh...

Wouldn't an Imperator Titan, with its transport capacity, be more suited to LI than to AT (provided something is done for support points limit anyway) ?

An Imperator would likely be game breaking in any of the current GW systems.

It would look awesome doing it though!

CorwinB wrote:
Wouldn't an Imperator Titan, with its transport capacity, be more suited to LI than to AT (provided something is done for support points limit anyway) ?

While I don't think we'll see an Imperator any time soon, it is certainly possible.
With GW's recommended points limit of 3000pts and an ally limit of 30% you can have 1000pts of Titans. The Warmaster is only 750pts so theoretically there is space for an even bigger titan while still staying within the boundaries they set

Got my Tallarn Book.

The "illustrations" in that Book show some Stuff, we not have in the Game:

-Predator with Plasmagun
-Felbade with Volkite Weapon
-Assault Marines in Mk4 Armour

I also noticed some of the "Box Cover" Illustration in that Book feature Tanks, we already have but not in Death Guard Colors, like on every Box. I found in the Book:

Predator Tanks in White Scars Colors
Sicaran Tanks in Iron Warriors Colors

RazorEdge wrote:
Got my Tallarn Book.

The "illustrations" in that Book show some Stuff, we not have in the Game:

-Predator with Plasmagun
-Felbade with Volkite Weapon
-Assault Marines in Mk4 Armour

I also noticed some of the "Box Cover" Illustration in that Book feature Tanks, we already have but not in Death Guard Colors, like on every Box. I found in the Book:

Predator Tanks in White Scars Colors
Sicaran Tanks in Iron Warriors Colors

The recolors should just be digital recolors without much meaning.

For the other three unless I'm missing which images you are talking about, they shouldn't mean upcoming units since they aren't in the boxart style.
I think you are talking about:
-Assault Marines in Mk4 Armour - pg53 - 28mm models
-Felbade with Volkite Weapon - pg90 - Glaive tank, again very likely just old artwork of 28mm model
-Predator with Plasmagun - didn't find this one

 schoon wrote:
An Imperator would likely be game breaking in any of the current GW systems.

It would look awesome doing it though!

If I were designing these games then it would fall under Adeptus Titanicus as that is the game designed specifically for Titans and Knights. If it can't support a Titan, or Knight, then GW has failed in the game's development and needs a second edition, which goes as far back as the early requirements stage.

Although as an all-powerful super-giant in Legions they could use it's transport feature against it; a lone xenomorph infiltrated the marine dropship in ALIENS, and caused it to crash. Luke Skywalker sabotaged an Imperial Walker in Empire Strikes Back. Maybe Daemons, or a Kill Team of special operatives could board the giant and cause it problems. This would increase the value of infantry, and their transports.

Maybe a special off-board terminal, where troop units can be placed while inside the Titan? If kept lean, it could be a mini-battle within a battle! The Imperator might be overwhelmingly powerful, but easily boarded and disrupted.

When first introduced, a reliable way to take out an Imperator was to board its bastion legs, spend a turn giggling, and then boom, it had no legs.

It’s overall efficiency was also tempered by having to assign a turn to turn uncertain amount of Plasma Tokens to power up its system, including the Void Shields. If you rolled high, your opponent was in for a world of pain. Low? And it’s not gonna get an awful lot done that turn.

Personally I think GW are going to hold back on a big titan update until the game has matured a little and people have bigger model collections and start really calling for bigger model counts. Titans and Knights just need a bigger model count in the game so that you've space within the army to actually take a few reavers and warhounds and knights along with the troops and tanks they need for support. We know it can be done because the old games supported a good number of titan models alongside the regular armies and that's before you get to the old Knight House armies and such where you've just got titans on one side.

So yeah it can be done, we hope GW will do it.

An Imperator they've always said they won't do, I feel like there's nothing stopping them save the potential concern that there's some mandate or directive or objective to have HH and LI match in product scope and content. Ergo we won't see an Imperator because of such a policy and because there's no chance GW would ever sell an actual 32mm scale Imperator

Imperator and Emperor Class Titans can be problematic in-game.

If memory serves, the original was a whopping 2,250 points. And when we played at around 4,000? That meant as the opponent, my game essentially reduced to “take out that Titan, or it’s going to obliterate me”.

Now, once in a while that absolutely is good fun. And it’s far from an impossible feat. But it become such a lodestone in my or my opponents army, still something to be deployed fairly sparingly.

We are of course talking about a different game now, and there will be ways round it (having to Ally in Titans with a strict percentage cap is welcome). But it’s still a tricky thing to get Just Right.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Imperator and Emperor Class Titans can be problematic in-game.

If memory serves, the original was a whopping 2,250 points. And when we played at around 4,000? That meant as the opponent, my game essentially reduced to “take out that Titan, or it’s going to obliterate me”.

As i recall this was true for the early days of Epic. When Titan Legions released, White Dwarf upped the size of their standard games to 6000/8000pts in order to accomodate the shiny new kits.

However that Imperator was essentially a mini-game in it's own right, and with the way LI rules are written I can't see it having the same impact today.

 Overread wrote:
An Imperator they've always said they won't do, I feel like there's nothing stopping them save the potential concern that there's some mandate or directive or objective to have HH and LI match in product scope and content. Ergo we won't see an Imperator because of such a policy and because there's no chance GW would ever sell an actual 32mm scale Imperator

While there's clearly an intent for the HH studio to have people designing kits that work in both scales, I think that's more driven by necessity than any hard rule. GW's main goal since 2021 is to move the Heresy range away from mass-produced resin, so any models that players are likely to buy multiples of are available in plastic. It's harder to justify design time for a new epic-only titan kit when that same time can make several vehicles available to both game systems.

However GW did still put out products like additional titan weapons, epic-scale terrain, and game boards for LI that have no relevance to regular scale HH. I think that shows there's still scope for LI-only models, even if it is limited. And as they clear the resin backlog, it's more likely that we see new toys.

you pretty much had to fill it out with Tech-guard which pushed the total PV close to 3,000 (but hey! We played 10,000 points all dayers)! But it was such a beast, more than capable of weathering a low plasma roll (just overcharge the void shields to unleash hell the following round.

Note: To field bog-standard maniple of 1 Warlord, 1 Reaver and 2 Warhounds (as allies) your looking at a 5,600 point game. Something to strive for.

 Matrindur wrote:

For the other three unless I'm missing which images you are talking about, they shouldn't mean upcoming units since they aren't in the boxart style.
I think you are talking about:
-Assault Marines in Mk4 Armour - pg53 - 28mm models
-Felbade with Volkite Weapon - pg90 - Glaive tank, again very likely just old artwork of 28mm model
-Predator with Plasmagun - didn't find this one

Even those 28mm Models from the Pseudo realistic Illustrations show Army List Option, we got for the Game.

The Predator is on the same Page as the Glaive. Showing them could means that they will come as future Army List options. I don't see the reason to use Illustrations with Stuff we will never see.

I doubt they used them just to fill up the Pages - some Illustration appear twice in the Books.