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 Olthannon wrote:
Ugh but the Scions are so ugly.

Ehhh...Scions fit as a great, distinctively IMPERIAL unit. They're really let down by the paint job and insistence of the dumb loadout for the Tempestor Primes.

Elysians would be a great Kill Team, an opportunity for some very nice poses and special rules with the drop chutes.

This isn't WarCry, where they take risks. Whatever's coming has to end up fitting.

I'd rather see an updated Veteran Guardsman KT than an Elysian exclusive one.

Kill team is perfect for those scion/stormtrooper esque units that people will want just for collecting/painting without needing to back with a full army, but many people could/would also want for their new combined arms guard armies that are back to multi-mixing regiments.

Catachan devils (could double build as ork hunter firesweep teams)
Krieg Grenadiers (or engineers)
Inquisitorial Storm Troopers

Evidently, this has already happened with Kasrkin, and sort of similar but obviously not storm troopers in arbites and navy breachers.

10 mandrake with 1 weapon option, yay. Maybe they'll throw in some womandrake this time.

new Scions.. didn't we just get Scions in the last KT21 box?

Would feel like a waste tbh

Anyways, give us the Season 3 starter already! With rumours about the second box already, it feels like the first two boxes of S3 will be releasing really close to each other

Scions have not received a bespoke Kill Team. They came with Ashes of Faith as part of the ancillary forces for the Inquistion Warband.

 Matrindur wrote:
New Valrak video with some Kill Team bits
As a reminder the current rumours are after the Striking Scorpions/Scouts box the next one is rumoured to be Mandrakes vs Night Lords upgrade kit

After that we have rumours for Vespids, Swooping Hawks, and a Guard jump pack unit.

New rumours are that the guard unit isn't actually Elysian Drop Troopers as thought before but Tempestus Scions.
Also a tiny bit about more SM with Jump Pack "that are calling everyone Horus" so Blood Angels?

You have my attention on all of this. Except Death Company - dgaf about them or anything Blood Angels really.

I mean, would love to get plastic Elysians, but I'm fine waiting, I'd rather they flesh out Death Korps first with more options instead of leaving us with just infantry squads. MT need more options, jump packs aren't quite the direction I would have liked them to go, but I'll take it.

But Vespids? I'm here for that. And S-Hawks too. And Mandrakes? Yeah they can join the party. I don't really care about the Night Lords upgrade kit, doesn't make much sense to me, unless they are going to continue down the path of removing all the Traitor Legions from the CSM book and leave it as a flavorless traitor marine book. That being said, WE need more love and EC should come first.

Chopstick wrote:
10 mandrake with 1 weapon option, yay. Maybe they'll throw in some womandrake this time.

I made one of those using a DE harpy torso. So yeah, I too would welcome a womandrake or two.

 Matrindur wrote:
New Valrak video with some Kill Team bits
As a reminder the current rumours are after the Striking Scorpions/Scouts box the next one is rumoured to be Mandrakes vs Night Lords upgrade kit

After that we have rumours for Vespids, Swooping Hawks, and a Guard jump pack unit.

New rumours are that the guard unit isn't actually Elysian Drop Troopers as thought before but Tempestus Scions.
Also a tiny bit about more SM with Jump Pack "that are calling everyone Horus" so Blood Angels?

Ok, several of those have my attention. Mandrakes? Sounds cool though a bit too late to get my interest since I just bought a few 3rd party ones. Vespids? If they don't look like ass also cool and might finally tip me into starting small Tau force based around auxiliaries. Guard jump infantry? Depends on what it looks like - if Scion based, I honestly hope it goes with the old Inquisitorial Stormtrooper models, I'd actually throw some money at that (if they are ever in stock. I don't think I've seen Kasrkin in stock a single time since they dropped, and I've been looking to grab a box to round out my metals).

A new Scion kit would likely end up nearly a head taller than the current one, and would look weird next to one another.

Leaker over on tga just said the SS vs Scouts box will be the same price as the Warcry Hunter and the Hunted box (£80/105€) and its in the GW christmas guide it should be coming before the end of the year, either 9th or 16th December

 Matrindur wrote:
Also a tiny bit about more SM with Jump Pack "that are calling everyone Horus" so Blood Angels?

Sounds suspiciously like one of those BA/DC memes that do the rounds every now and then:



Or over here on the 'nstagram.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
A new Scion kit would likely end up nearly a head taller than the current one, and would look weird next to one another.

Depends how they do it. Could be done as an upgrade sprue, new backpacks and arm options. I could be wrong as I don't have any of the new Cadians yet, but I feel they are about the same size. I think it is just the Kasrkin that grew in size, as the new(ish) Breachers work with Admech and GSC as well.

 Darnok wrote:

 Matrindur wrote:
Also a tiny bit about more SM with Jump Pack "that are calling everyone Horus" so Blood Angels?

Sounds suspiciously like one of those BA/DC memes that do the rounds every now and then:

I'll actually be disappointed if they redo Death Company. Partially as I've just kit bashed old death company with Reivers and I think they do just nicely, but also because I think Sanguinary Guard should be done first. Unless the DC is just an upgrade sprue in the vein of the BT one, in which case that's just fine.

As a Blood Angels player, I have no desire nor need for Primaris Death Company models, and at this stage there is no way they'd make em firstborn. If I'd have to guess, they'll end up looking like blinged out versions of JP Assault Interecessors. With extra modled crosses and skulls on skulls on skulls, with angry skull tattoos on the skulls. yawn.

I'm really not digging this whole "In 3rd season of KT21, new bespoke KillTeams will just look like regular 40K squads" thing. If GW didn't want to produce Season 3 to begin with, it feels like a disservice to the game to castrate it just to a halfassed excuse to release 40K kits. The new terrain looks also unispiring and low effort af

I’d be pleasantly surprised by female Mandrakes at this point.

While we did have female Rangers and Guardians they then missed the opportunity of such models for Scorpions, Reapers, Warlocks, and Incubi.

Meanwhile in AoS even the dwarfs are getting female models. It’s a bit of an odd turnaround.

I thought it was confirmed that there were female Scorpions in the new kit? IIRC, theres a couple of female heads, seems they went with the "no need for boobplate" approach to the body.

That’s true. But both AM and CoS managed to have female body shapes without going Raging Heroes.

Then look at the difference in otherwise very uniform models such as Stormcast which get a bit of extra variation thanks to male and female bodies. Something the recent Scorpions really could have done with rather than Tacticool Rocks.

Kind of an odd choice, though. Guardians have boobplate. Autarchs have boobplate. Banshees have boobplate. It's an established look, and it doesn't feel like Scorpions have armor that is so much bulkier as to reasonably hide female features.

I reserve the right to doubt female Mandrakes until I see actually see any. GW is mortally afraid of boobs and Mandrakes aren't exactly dressed very Victorian.

Striking Scorpions picture in spoilers, for easy reference. Because Warhammer Community's search function sucks.

Isnt the scorpions armor actually heavier than most other aspect warriors? IIRC they were the only aspect (or at least one of the few) to have a natural 3+ armor save in older editions of the game.

chaos0xomega wrote:
Isnt the scorpions armor actually heavier than most other aspect warriors? IIRC they were the only aspect (or at least one of the few) to have a natural 3+ armor save in older editions of the game.

I think the dark reapers also had a 3+.

But yes, they were the “tougher” aspect warrior. Banshees hit harder, but were flimsy. Scorpions were less lethal, but took a hit better.

Yes, Scorpions save was 3+ (like Reapers and Spiders) and they couldn't Fleet of Foot as a result.

 Geifer wrote:
Kind of an odd choice, though. Guardians have boobplate. Autarchs have boobplate. Banshees have boobplate. It's an established look, and it doesn't feel like Scorpions have armor that is so much bulkier as to reasonably hide female features.

I reserve the right to doubt female Mandrakes until I see actually see any. GW is mortally afraid of boobs and Mandrakes aren't exactly dressed very Victorian.

Striking Scorpions picture in spoilers, for easy reference. Because Warhammer Community's search function sucks.

Spoiler:

 Matrindur wrote:

But all the Banshees have armour moulded with breasts, and we can assume that some of the warriors within are male – it's the aspect which is feminine, not the individual warriors. The reverse might apply elsewhere. It's symbolic, and also likely not relevant to a lot of the aspects.

 Nevelon wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
Isnt the scorpions armor actually heavier than most other aspect warriors? IIRC they were the only aspect (or at least one of the few) to have a natural 3+ armor save in older editions of the game.

I think the dark reapers also had a 3+.

But yes, they were the “tougher” aspect warrior. Banshees hit harder, but were flimsy. Scorpions were less lethal, but took a hit better.

More like Banshees were anti-elite, going first, reducing the number of attacks the enemy could make, and having low numbers of armour penetrating attacks while the Scorpions were anti-horde, with extra free hits on the charge and lots of low penetration attacks. They were tougher because even with all that their normal engagement protocol would have them up against a unit that would still have bodies left to return attacks.

 Matrindur wrote:
New Valrak video with some Kill Team bits

Sometimes, as a nonnative speaker it's quite hard...

A brand new week is on pornos...
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...people believe whatever I say is fethed

 Geifer wrote:
I reserve the right to doubt female Mandrakes until I see actually see any. GW is mortally afraid of boobs and Mandrakes aren't exactly dressed very Victorian.

With their Sadako hair, a female mandrake should be able to preserve her modesty easily enough if GW really wanted to release one.

There're no female in that scorpion kit, it's just corporate talk to avoid arguing with customers.

It's not hard to swap out the front plate with one from guardian kit, it's just annoying

Chopstick wrote:
There're no female in that scorpion kit, it's just corporate talk to avoid arguing with customers.

It's not hard to swap out the front plate with one from guardian kit, it's just annoying

It's a nonissue, as the Aspects are the things meant to represent the gender of the Aspect's founder, not the person wearing the armor.

 Shakalooloo wrote:

 Geifer wrote:
I reserve the right to doubt female Mandrakes until I see actually see any. GW is mortally afraid of boobs and Mandrakes aren't exactly dressed very Victorian.

With their Sadako hair, a female mandrake should be able to preserve her modesty easily enough if GW really wanted to release one.

*looks at old Repentia*
*looks at new Repentia*

Careful what you wish for...

 Shakalooloo wrote:

 Geifer wrote:
I reserve the right to doubt female Mandrakes until I see actually see any. GW is mortally afraid of boobs and Mandrakes aren't exactly dressed very Victorian.

With their Sadako hair, a female mandrake should be able to preserve her modesty easily enough if GW really wanted to release one.

A couple of the newer female FEC models have gone that route. Although female Mandrakes could just wear halter tops.

Or strategic wisps of shadow

Or they could just you know.... sculpt some breasts on them.