Killteam 2023-news and rumors

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**H.B.M.C.**

tauist wrote:
All this is further proof of the game's dwindling status in terms of resource allocation from GW. Salvation box is prioritizing 40K players' thirst for models over KT21 players enjoyment.

It means nothing of the sort.

Every KT model release is a 40k release*. KT just affords them the ability (and budget) to make more outlandish things that would be difficult to slot onto the Codex cycle.

*With the exception of the Rogue Trader box from 1st Ed KT, but even that made it to 40k.

**lord_blackfang**

However, the upcoming Night Lords sprue was said to be the largest upgrade sprue for Kill Team yet, right? Right now it seems somewhat random how many resources each wave has allocated to it.

**Skinnereal**

tauist wrote:
You can bet the box being hard to find for KT21 players due to 40K players buying it just for the models.

40k fans should know by now that the KT teams are released a while later. Other KT squad had extra accessory sprues, making the KT boxes more desirable than the 40k ones.

If the KT starter costs less than 2x KT squad boxes, that's where 40k players will swarm on them.

lord_blackfang wrote:
However, the upcoming Night Lords sprue was said to be the largest upgrade sprue for Kill Team yet, right? Right now it seems somewhat random how many resources each wave has allocated to it.

Aspect Warrior get no accessories, so a basic KT squad of Scorpions makes sense.

**Danny76**

lord_blackfang wrote:
However, the upcoming Night Lords sprue was said to be the largest upgrade sprue for Kill Team yet, right? Right now it seems somewhat random how many resources each wave has allocated to it.

Yeah.
Though also I guess it’s less an upgrade sprue and more a Night Lords sprue.
As in like for 40k it’s a chapter upgrade sprue to make a regular unit still, as opposed to being geared towards KT rules. (While cleverly fitting in them perfectly I’m sure/hope).

**SamusDrake**

Keep hearing about a new starter set for next year. Any rumours regarding as to what might be included in the box?

**Danny76**

Probably just based on Warcry got that one right?
I’m guessing it’ll be existing stuff nothing exciting. Though as things have 40K use maybe something better.

Maybe at the end of this season if it’s a big box. (First in the season I’d normally bigger with rules right? But that hasn’t happened this time anyway)

**callidusx3**

deano2099 wrote:
Shakalooloo wrote:
Other previous Kill Teams havce had more members in the box than they can have on the board, so it's nothing new with the Aspect Warriors.

Sort of. I think the difference here is that in previous boxes you could still build the excess models differently and have them in your list. So for tournament or campaign play you could swap them in or out.
My understanding with this is the variety in this team comes from different aspects, but the individuals models don't have builds that are any different (in Kill Team) - so there's literally no point to building those last three models, because they do the exact same thing in game as the other five.

So it's a bit weird. Hardly unforgivable, but yeah it does seem it'd make more sense to design the in-box team around those models then publish the combined aspects team in White Dwarf instead. Or as some have said, do a new sprue with three of each. *That* wouldn't be anything new as you've always been restricted with what you could build.

I think the real question is how well a five Scorpion team plays. Not in power level, just in fun. It feels like it basically locks you out of the most interesting element of this team, but I could be wrong be there.

I suspect you are mistaken and KT players will be able to make full use of 10 models in the box. 7 regular Scorpions and 2-3 Exarch models with different loadouts. Seems fine to me.

And I for one will gladly be picking this up, as the Aspect Warrior lore befits the non-specialist route GW took with this release. Now, if this 40K squad in a KT box continues for the rest of the season, then I will be perturbed. ...Will be selling off those scouts though (Phobos are proper Marine-scouts).

**tauist**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
tauist wrote:
All this is further proof of the game's dwindling status in terms of resource allocation from GW. Salvation box is prioritizing 40K players' thirst for models over KT21 players enjoyment.
It means nothing of the sort.

Every KT model release is a 40k release*. KT just affords them the ability (and budget) to make more outlandish things that would be difficult to slot onto the Codex cycle.

*With the exception of the Rogue Trader box from 1st Ed KT, but even that made it to 40k.

If you dont get what I mean, lets just agree to disagree and move on

**deano2099**

callidusx3 wrote:
deano2099 wrote:
Shakalooloo wrote:
Other previous Kill Teams havce had more members in the box than they can have on the board, so it's nothing new with the Aspect Warriors.

Sort of. I think the difference here is that in previous boxes you could still build the excess models differently and have them in your list. So for tournament or campaign play you could swap them in or out.
My understanding with this is the variety in this team comes from different aspects, but the individuals models don't have builds that are any different (in Kill Team) - so there's literally no point to building those last three models, because they do the exact same thing in game as the other five.

So it's a bit weird. Hardly unforgivable, but yeah it does seem it'd make more sense to design the in-box team around those models then publish the combined aspects team in White Dwarf instead. Or as some have said, do a new sprue with three of each. *That* wouldn't be anything new as you've always been restricted with what you could build.

I think the real question is how well a five Scorpion team plays. Not in power level, just in fun. It feels like it basically locks you out of the most interesting element of this team, but I could be wrong be there.

I suspect you are mistaken and KT players will be able to make full use of 10 models in the box. 7 regular Scorpions and 2-3 Exarch models with different loadouts. Seems fine to me.

And I for one will gladly be picking this up, as the Aspect Warrior lore befits the non-specialist route GW took with this release. Now, if this 40K squad in a KT box continues for the rest of the season, then I will be perturbed. ...Will be selling off those scouts though (Phobos are proper Marine-scouts).

If you can build all three exarchs from the kit then yes, I don't see the problem either.

**stahly**

Here is my review of Kill Team: Salvation, with high-res sprue pics & all assembly options and bitz as usual: https://taleofpainters.com/2023/12/review-kill-team-salvation/

For those who wonder how big the new Scouts are, I also made a scale comparison with all of the older Scout models, plus other Marines and human-sized models.

**lord_blackfang**

Cheers. Scouts being taller than Heresy marines is quite... suboptimal.

**Scottywan82**

Great review! I am very excited to get my hands on the Scorpions when they are available by themselves.

**Geifer**

Thanks for the size comparison!

**Snrub**

Jesus those scouts are monstrous.

There goes any thoughts of me using them in 30k... Guess I'll hunt out a few of the old kits if I really need too.

Once again, thanks for the excellent review and comparison charts, Stahly.

**CorwinB**

stahly wrote:
Here is my review of Kill Team: Salvation, with high-res sprue pics & all assembly options and bitz as usual: https://taleofpainters.com/2023/12/review-kill-team-salvation/

For those who wonder how big the new Scouts are, I also made a scale comparison with all of the older Scout models, plus other Marines and human-sized models.

Very nice review, love the size comparisons.

**tauist**

stahly wrote:
Here is my review of Kill Team: Salvation, with high-res sprue pics & all assembly options and bitz as usual: https://taleofpainters.com/2023/12/review-kill-team-salvation/

For those who wonder how big the new Scouts are, I also made a scale comparison with all of the older Scout models, plus other Marines and human-sized models.

Much obliged! Thats a hard pass for me now..
thanks again

**H.B.M.C.**

Damn them Scouts is huge!!!

Why are they so big though? Do Primaris Marine Chapters only recruit from Primaris Humans to make Primaris Scouts that go onto become Primaris Marines?

I do want that terrain sprue though.

**MajorWesJanson**

stahly wrote:
Here is my review of Kill Team: Salvation, with high-res sprue pics & all assembly options and bitz as usual: https://taleofpainters.com/2023/12/review-kill-team-salvation/

For those who wonder how big the new Scouts are, I also made a scale comparison with all of the older Scout models, plus other Marines and human-sized models.

Kill Team: Salvation can be preordered from Saturday, October 14, 2023.

Date seems off there I think.

**lord_blackfang**

H.B.M.C. wrote:

I do want that terrain sprue though.

I offered to buy them for 10 bucks apiece from local folks not caring for Kill Team and just buying the minis for 40k. Try it, I'm getting a few.

**chaos0xomega**

Secured my preorder of 2 copies of salvation. Passed on the terrain box, the half-size gantries seem like a miss to me, can't justify spending that much on the ferratonic furnace alone. If there was a clearer plan as to what the gantries could be used with/for I'd feel a bit different, but they have no real functionality with my existing mechanicus terrain.

**lord_blackfang**

chaos0xomega wrote:
Secured my preorder of 2 copies of salvation. Passed on the terrain box, the half-size gantries seem like a miss to me, can't justify spending that much on the ferratonic furnace alone. If there was a clearer plan as to what the gantries could be used with/for I'd feel a bit different, but they have no real functionality with my existing mechanicus terrain.

They are probably half height Mechanicus, which should be very nice, sadly there's no stairs or ladders to connect floor to half height or half height to full height. I passed too, based on this lack of functionality and not being a particularly good deal financially, but would grab them if I saw them heavily discounted.

**chaos0xomega**

From some of the unboxing and review videos I've found, they look more like 2/3rds height than half. Seeing them from different angles next to the ferratonic furnace it looks like 2 of them stacked on top eachother would be taller than the furnace which makes them useless in that regard.

**lord_blackfang**

chaos0xomega wrote:
From some of the unboxing and review videos I've found, they look more like 2/3rds height than half. Seeing them from different angles next to the ferratonic furnace it looks like 2 of them stacked on top eachother would be taller than the furnace which makes them useless in that regard.

EDITED

Okay so I went around and looking intently at this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_sLZ4YQ45c I have to conclude you're right, they're at least 5mm taller than half Mechanicus. Also worth noting is that while the square cornered platforms are proper Sector Mechanicus with filled bottoms with connector holes, the round platform around the furnace has a hollow bottom with a negative image of the top texture on it, like the underside of Zone Mortalis tiles. Good to know.

**H.B.M.C.**

Hmm... weird terrain. What height are those legs then?

Not half-height, but as high as the Plasma Generator thingies?

**lord_blackfang**

Okay having watched a second review from someone who is a bit less of a clown, I revise my findings, the columns are properly half height and even have a 5mm removable section to account for the thickness of the platforms if you stack them to full Sector Mechanicus height.

**Scottywan82**

I am surprised GW doesn't do those compatibility articles at the time of the release. It would really hype these up, especially when the terrain seems this lackluster otherwise.

**H.B.M.C.**

lord_blackfang wrote:
Okay having watched a second review from someone who is a bit less of a clown...

Link?

**lord_blackfang**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
lord_blackfang wrote:
Okay having watched a second review from someone who is a bit less of a clown...
Link?

https://youtu.be/tutrUQn5s_Y?si=5JHr2hMn5PnTu-su&t=843

**chaos0xomega**

It was presented as conjecture, the reviewer doesn't seem to have tested or proven it out

**lord_blackfang**

chaos0xomega wrote:
It was presented as conjecture, the reviewer doesn't seem to have tested or proven it out

You can see the stacking in the build guide flipthrough. An optional layer to accommodate presence or absence of a middle floor is also consistent with Zone Mortalis columns.