The Battle for Oghram - Da Thread!

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**NAVARRO**

AduroT wrote:
I don’t mind the guns on the Vores so much as their legs. Too spindly and narrow and high center of balance for something that’s supposed to be artillery.

Those legs are supposed to be carving themselves into rocks, terrain and bigger bugs... think it like this, the Biovore carves itself on the backs of a stupid big bugs has a simply "weapon symbiotic organism" XD

**Overread**

AduroT wrote:
I don’t mind the guns on the Vores so much as their legs. Too spindly and narrow and high center of balance for something that’s supposed to be artillery.

I just imagine that the pose we've got in the model is it moving and when it comes to shooting it digs its legs in and splays them out.

**Iracundus**

If GW wants to go insect with the large Tyranids they should stop using vertebrate jaws and start putting in chelicerae like spiders.

**SnotlingPimpWagon**

Iracundus wrote:
If GW wants to go insect with the large Tyranids they should stop using vertebrate jaws and start putting in chelicerae like spiders.

I know! Stupid made up aliens not following earth fauna logic.

**AllSeeingSkink**

AduroT wrote:
I don’t mind the guns on the Vores so much as their legs. Too spindly and narrow and high center of balance for something that’s supposed to be artillery.

I imagine the legs are somehow supposed to claw into the ground, or maybe it just drops to the ground and lays in its belly while firing.

The main bit I don't like is I think the body should just be a big ol' gun, rather than a body with a turret on top of it.

**Tyran**

The biovore is supposed to be mobile artillery, ergo it needs a body to carry around the gun.

**Irbis**

Tyran wrote:
Kumoko/Shiraori also makes for cool Tyranid painting scheme of white with pink and black.

That is of course if you are willing to paint so much white.

Well, her evolutions and Ariel spiders between them have close to dozen color schemes, so you can sort of dodge this issue.

But yeah, I am now tempted to pick up a few (and maybe that old big goblin spider to count as some big Tyranid HQ) to do just that

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
Hmm, maybe, but the "unique bodies" doesn't really seem relevant when the weapons are grown rather than manufactured. Humans need a separate factory to make two different types of vehicles because the tooling will all be different, so it sometimes makes sense to have a less efficient variant of a vehicle rather than making a completely new vehicle to fill that role.

But for the Hive Mind, surely it's just wasted biomass to add a spider body under a Biovore.

I guess mostly I just preferred the idea of Tyranids being, organic/alien, sticking a gun on the back of a creature feels like a human thinking in terms of how machines work, making a living gun feels like the more organic/alien thing to do.

I'd have rather they turned the spider-body into a unique creature than sticking a gun on it and calling it a Biovore.

Except logically thinking, Hive Mind still expends finite time and resources to design new DNA strains, so it might well do the same thing as humans and go 'this new spider we started breeding for upgraded Biovores is good enough for Pyrowores too, maybe we will tweak them a bit more after some combat data comes in, until then we're busy with that Hive Tyrant 2.0 design and better make some gaunts into semi-synaptic nodes while we're at it too'...

**Gert**

The Biovore comes closer to the greatest evolutionary lifeform, the Crab.

**Mr_Rose**

I’m curious about how much recoil people think the biovore has to deal with; it’s not firing artillery shells but living balloons. I’m pretty sure that there’s an upper limit to how fast those can go before they rupture without ever reaching the target and it’s very subsonic. Also they’re pretty short ranged for “artillery” - rather closer to field mortar. Finally it seems more likely to fire by peristaltic contraction rather than explosive expansion so it’s not one huge impulse either.

**Tsagualsa**

Mr_Rose wrote:
I’m curious about how much recoil people think the biovore has to deal with; it’s not firing artillery shells but living balloons. I’m pretty sure that there’s an upper limit to how fast those can go before they rupture without ever reaching the target and it’s very subsonic. Also they’re pretty short ranged for “artillery” - rather closer to field mortar. Finally it seems more likely to fire by peristaltic contraction rather than explosive expansion so it’s not one huge impulse either.

We don't know - for an artillery piece, it would make sense that the spore mines are pretty compact before and during firing, and inflate the gas sacks after launch, perhaps by some reaction similar to the pyrochemical gas generators that can be found in car airbags. So it's not impossible that they're fired a comparatively high speed, and decelerate above or near target.

**His Master's Voice**

Mr_Rose wrote:
I’m curious about how much recoil people think the biovore has to deal with; it’s not firing artillery shells but living balloons. I’m pretty sure that there’s an upper limit to how fast those can go before they rupture without ever reaching the target and it’s very subsonic. Also they’re pretty short ranged for “artillery” - rather closer to field mortar. Finally it seems more likely to fire by peristaltic contraction rather than explosive expansion so it’s not one huge impulse either.

It's about the verisimilitude of the concept of biological artillery, rather than the realities of such a concept under known physics. It's why Starship Troopers cannon bugs recoiled when firing bio plasma.

And if we're talking about realistic expectation, mine is that this half a tonne or more alien would either instantly trap itself in soft ground, or break its needle legs on concrete.

**Tyran**

If the building sized bio-titans can move around in spider like legs, then so can the car sized Biovore.

**Overread**

If a carnifex can cut through the hull of a landraider with scythes - then a biovore can walk on concrete with ease. It can also slam its legs in to secure itself.

**ImAGeek**

Unless some of these (apart from the Termagants) are push fit, I’m surprised we didn’t see the 2 customary push fit kits that we’ve got the last few editions for the starter factions.

**MajorWesJanson**

ImAGeek wrote:
Unless some of these (apart from the Termagants) are push fit, I’m surprised we didn’t see the 2 customary push fit kits that we’ve got the last few editions for the starter factions.

I wonder ifthe ballistus dread and screamer killer/neurotyrant will be split out and sold in place of some of the separate etb kits

**xttz**

ImAGeek wrote:
Unless some of these (apart from the Termagants) are push fit, I’m surprised we didn’t see the 2 customary push fit kits that we’ve got the last few editions for the starter factions.

There's plenty of pushfit kits in Leviathan & the 40k starter sets, and they've made more effort to sell that stuff separately this time.

Perhaps we see a dedicated Tyranid Combat Patrol box with the currently unavailable pushfit units (Neurotyrant & SK) plus some of these new kits like Horms.

**Platuan4th**

xttz wrote:
Perhaps we see a dedicated Tyranid Combat Patrol box with the currently unavailable pushfit units (Neurotyrant & SK) plus some of these new kits like Horms.

We already know what the "new" Combat Patrol is and it's most of the Leviathan set.

**Mad Doc Grotsnik**

ImAGeek wrote:
Unless some of these (apart from the Termagants) are push fit, I’m surprised we didn’t see the 2 customary push fit kits that we’ve got the last few editions for the starter factions.

Of Leviathan, Von Ryan’s Leapers (henceforth Icklictors), Barbgaunts, Neurogaunts and Psychophage are all likely to see a separate release. With the Barbgaunts already on pre-order.

**xttz**

Platuan4th wrote:
xttz wrote:
Perhaps we see a dedicated Tyranid Combat Patrol box with the currently unavailable pushfit units (Neurotyrant & SK) plus some of these new kits like Horms.

We already know what the "new" Combat Patrol is and it's most of the Leviathan set.

We know *a* Tyranid combat patrol because the Vardenghast Swarm list is built from the new 40k starter sets.

However Marines & Necrons both got separate combat patrol boxes on top of their starter set content in 9th. It would be very odd for the edition starter factions to not get a product that builds on that for an easy route to 1000pts. Also when combat patrol lists have specific names, there's no reason a faction should only have one.

The Neurotyrant & SK need a separate release. The obvious solution is a Tyranid combat patrol box with different models to the 40k starter sets.

**Dawnbringer**

xttz wrote:
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The Neurotyrant & SK need a separate release. The obvious solution is a Tyranid combat patrol box with different models to the 40k starter sets.

Ah yes, like the Necron models made it into their combat patrol.

**GaroRobe**

They'll probably release them in a separate bundle for $100.

Like the Obliterators and Venomcrawler, AOS's Radukar's Court, etc.

**Matrindur**

The Neurotyrant/Screamer Killer sprue will be an expensive webstore exclusive just like the the respective sprues from Indomitus was. Same for the Sternguard/Apothecary/Lieutenant sprue for SM.

And of course a buch of leviathan stuff will see seperate releases but that doesn't change that with Indomitus we got two EtB kits per side in addition to the launch set stuff which doesn't seem to be the case this time

**H.B.M.C.**

Part of me thinks that there will be a proper Primaris Sternguard kit. Might mean that the Gravis Apothecary (or, rather, a different version of it) gets a clampack release.

The anti-Tyranid Lieutenant isn't all that special, and isn't something they'd need to release. It needs to be a separate entry in the Codex in the same way the "Gravis Captain with Heavy Bolt Rifle" needed to be a separate entry from the regular Gravis Captain (ie. it didn't!). The Lt's rules can just be rolled into the Phobos Lt rules come the full Codex.

**Matrindur**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
Part of me thinks that there will be a proper Primaris Sternguard kit. Might mean that the Gravis Apothecary (or, rather, a different version of it) gets a clampack release.

The anti-Tyranid Lieutenant isn't all that special, and isn't something they'd need to release. It needs to be a separate entry in the Codex in the same way the "Gravis Captain with Heavy Bolt Rifle" needed to be a separate entry from the regular Gravis Captain (ie. it didn't!). The Lt's rules can just be rolled into the Phobos Lt rules come the full Codex.

The Sternguard are very likely getting a multipart but that doesn't mean the Leviathan sprue won't be sold as the Indomitus one also had Bladeguard and Eradticators which got a multipart release.
Also I think its very unlikely the Apothecary will get a new sprue just for a solo release

**ImAGeek**

xttz wrote:
ImAGeek wrote:
Unless some of these (apart from the Termagants) are push fit, I’m surprised we didn’t see the 2 customary push fit kits that we’ve got the last few editions for the starter factions.

There's plenty of pushfit kits in Leviathan & the 40k starter sets, and they've made more effort to sell that stuff separately this time.

Perhaps we see a dedicated Tyranid Combat Patrol box with the currently unavailable pushfit units (Neurotyrant & SK) plus some of these new kits like Horms.

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
ImAGeek wrote:
Unless some of these (apart from the Termagants) are push fit, I’m surprised we didn’t see the 2 customary push fit kits that we’ve got the last few editions for the starter factions.

Of Leviathan, Von Ryan’s Leapers (henceforth Icklictors), Barbgaunts, Neurogaunts and Psychophage are all likely to see a separate release. With the Barbgaunts already on pre-order.

What I mean is, the last couple of new editions have had 2 pushfit sets for each faction that were extra to the stuff in the starter - like the big destroyer and the doom stalker for the Necrons, the ATV I think and the turret thing for the Marines in 9th, and the chariot and big bow dude for Stormcast and the boss on troll and big ballista for the Kruleboyz. I was expecting them again as it seemed like a pattern, but apparently not. I don’t overly mind or anything.

**Dudeface**

ImAGeek wrote:
xttz wrote:
ImAGeek wrote:
Unless some of these (apart from the Termagants) are push fit, I’m surprised we didn’t see the 2 customary push fit kits that we’ve got the last few editions for the starter factions.

There's plenty of pushfit kits in Leviathan & the 40k starter sets, and they've made more effort to sell that stuff separately this time.

Perhaps we see a dedicated Tyranid Combat Patrol box with the currently unavailable pushfit units (Neurotyrant & SK) plus some of these new kits like Horms.

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
ImAGeek wrote:
Unless some of these (apart from the Termagants) are push fit, I’m surprised we didn’t see the 2 customary push fit kits that we’ve got the last few editions for the starter factions.

Of Leviathan, Von Ryan’s Leapers (henceforth Icklictors), Barbgaunts, Neurogaunts and Psychophage are all likely to see a separate release. With the Barbgaunts already on pre-order.

What I mean is, the last couple of new editions have had 2 pushfit sets for each faction that were extra to the stuff in the starter - like the big destroyer and the doom stalker for the Necrons, the ATV I think and the turret thing for the Marines in 9th, and the chariot and big bow dude for Stormcast and the boss on troll and big ballista for the Kruleboyz. I was expecting them again as it seemed like a pattern, but apparently not. I don’t overly mind or anything.

Hard to say to be honest, It's quite possible one of the lictor flavours or the 'vore could be tbh. Ultimately it's a tail and gun swap and whilst they're not small components the rest of the sculpt looks very fixed and push fit..

**Matrindur**

Dudeface wrote:

Hard to say to be honest, It's quite possible one of the lictor flavours or the 'vore could be tbh. Ultimately it's a tail and gun swap and whilst they're not small components the rest of the sculpt looks very fixed and push fit..

The SM ATV and Necron Doomstalker also aren't small so could be that.
The Termagant could also count as the second one as I would be surprised if the new weapons aren't pushfit when the bodies are. And although its not a single model like the other EtB kits where, it ouwld only be a single new sprue as the bodies are the Leviathan ones so would fit

**H.B.M.C.**

I wonder if we're get separate and/or proper Leaper/Neurogaunt releases?

They're part of the same sprue, but with a "snap" in the middle, a bit like the Royal Warden/Primaris Lieutenant had in 9th, and what the Terminator Captain and Tyranid Prime have now.

**Overread**

When it comes to predicting these things it can be very hard. I'm still surprised that GW does things like one leader per side having a unique model but both being on the same mould. That was something that has backfired in the past such as the very old Island of Blood release for Old World which had High Elf and Skaven models on both sides and meant they couldn't then part those down into separate sets without remaking them.

As for push-fit you really can't tell what is and what isn't from photos, once assembled its impossible to tell if they are push fit models or single assembly regular ones.

GW could make choices on any front.

**Matrindur**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
I wonder if we're get separate and/or proper Leaper/Neurogaunt releases?

They're part of the same sprue, but with a "snap" in the middle, a bit like the Royal Warden/Primaris Lieutenant had in 9th, and what the Terminator Captain and Tyranid Prime have now.

Its not the Von Ryan’s Leapers and Neurogaunts that have the snap in the middle, its the Neurogaunts and the Barbgaunts. As the barbgaunts are already available on their own, the Neurogaunts will too and the Von Ryan’s Leapers are on their own sprue anyway