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Getting very 7 Samurai/The Magnificent Seven vibes from this, only in slow motion.

Does he put that jumping shot in every movie?

 AduroT wrote:
Does he put that jumping shot in every movie?

I think attacking space ships with spears is a highly efficient form of fighting. I'm glad he's using a classic shot of his to highlight this.

I feel like this might be a more interesting film if Zack Snyder wasn't smeared all over it.

And its out and watched :

My mini review from the “Movie Mini-Review thread” :


Rebel Moon Part One : A Child of Fire Netflix 2023

I thought it was decent overall. Not top tier cinema, but an enjoyable enough sci-fi/fantasy flick. As brainless as the current superhero and Star Wars/Trek offerings with some fun action and visuals. Music was pretty epic at times, too. I’ll probably watch again when I want some noise while painting.

Don’t regret watching it, nor do I understand the hate its getting from critics. Maybe now that I’ve watched it, I’ll read some of the criticism to see what they felt they saw in this movie and how they break it down. Always open to new thoughts and opinions, myself.

Needed less gunplay and more of their version of the lightsaber though. Just fully embrace that it was supposed to be some sort of Star Wars story and let the laser swords loose.



And now I feel like when/if the Amazon 40K stuff comes out we’ll be bombarded with “ThEy StOle iT FrOm ReBeL MOooon”.

I watched the film today. While I'd love to say it was terrible I actually enjoyed it. Much better than all 3 Star Wars sequels combined, though that's not saying much.

As expected there is a lot of Star Wars influence but I think there's enough here to make a franchise that stands on its own two feet. Whether that actually happens or not remains to be seen. If it does want to become a franchise the world / galaxy will need to be a lot more fleshed out. That's true of all first films in a franchise though.

The lead is bad ass enough to get behind, and the antagonist is suitably evil to be hate worthy. I didn't find any glaring faults in this film.

I don't tend to look at films with a critical eye. Inconsistencies or non-sensible technology don't really bother me, as long as the whole is good, which in this case I think it is.

I haven't read any reviews, though it doesn't surprise me if a lot of them are negative. There's a lot of people out there with a vested interest in this film doing badly.

I think the average Dakkaite will enjoy this movie, worth a watch, as long as you have a Netflix subscription already.

I feel like I must have watched a different movie from the two of you, because that was atrociously bad. Can't understand why the critics are tearing it apart? Like, really?

The dialogue sounds like it was written by a fifteen year old edge lord ("No softness, only the hardness of War" - that is an actual line from the movie). The writing is all over the place, it took about an hour into the movie before anyone I was watching it with could parse what the film was actually about. The almost rape scene was a flex, I'm shocked that wasn't left on the cutting room floor.

I got exactly what I wanted out of it and laughed almost the whole way through, but no one should be saying this is good.

I will definitely be watching part 2 in April

 creeping-deth87 wrote:
I feel like I must have watched a different movie from the two of you, because that was atrociously bad. Can't understand why the critics are tearing it apart? Like, really?

I mean, I did call it merely decent and brainless.

I guess when I typed up the part about critics I should've made it clear that I was more focused on the inconsistencies. Trash ass Ahsoka has an 86% and Mando season 3 has an 90% Rotten Tomatoes critic score, while this flick is at 23%. Granted, they are tv shows so a different medium, but the movies are the same story, though Rise of Skywalker is at 51% critic, Force Awakens and Last Jedi at 93% and 91%.

Just seems wildly uneven in how critics pick apart certain things.

 nels1031 wrote:

 creeping-deth87 wrote:
I feel like I must have watched a different movie from the two of you, because that was atrociously bad. Can't understand why the critics are tearing it apart? Like, really?

I mean, I did call it merely decent and brainless.

I guess when I typed up the part about critics I should've made it clear that I was more focused on the inconsistencies. Trash ass Ahsoka has an 86% and Mando season 3 has an 90% Rotten Tomatoes critic score, while this flick is at 23%. Granted, they are tv shows so a different medium, but the movies are the same story, though Rise of Skywalker is at 51% critic, Force Awakens and Last Jedi at 93% and 91%.

Just seems wildly uneven in how critics pick apart certain things.

Ahhhh, yeah. Okay, that makes way more sense and I fully agree with you. Those other shows and films were also garbage, it really is like throwing darts at the wall with critic scores a lot of the time.

This one is always going to review weird simply because it comes prepackaged with the perfect sob story for both the pro-Snyder and anti-Disney segment of extreme algorithm fodder to make the discussion around it hard to parse regardless of quality.

It was entertaining enough. The story is reasonably coherent and works in an RPG quest kind of way. The character introductions for half the party felt gratuitous. A few style over substance choices during the finale didn't agree with me. But in my opinion it's fine for an actiony adventury movie with neat visuals.

Two things actually bothered me. One, it's an hour and a half movie drawn out by another half that length because everything happens in slow motion. I guess that's a Snyder thing. Doesn't bother me per se, but the frequency and specific parts in which slow motion was used felt like it was just needlessly drawing out the movie. A bit more brevity would have been better. But at least the movie's length wasn't down to a slow ass space chase, so there's that.

Second, and I realize this is entirely irrational, it bothered me that the empire is ruled by a king. Who does that? I mean, the British, I guess, but what do they know? With all the Roman styling and military expansion policies, in a setting with lots of kingdoms it just feels off that the boss king would choose to remain so pedestrian.

 nels1031 wrote:
And now I feel like when/if the Amazon 40K stuff comes out we’ll be bombarded with “ThEy StOle iT FrOm ReBeL MOooon”.

I had the same thought when I watched it. I suppose that can't be helped. Even if the idea wasn't to take inspiration from 40k directly but just to have a generic Sci-Fi Roman Empire IN SPACE!, the thematic overlap is large enough that the comparison feels unavoidable.

I am honestly sick of characters who are so sure of their plot armour, so cocky that, when approaching a dangerous situation they actually behave so as to maximise risk instead of taking steps to limit it as much as possible.

I don't know why they are created like that. If scriptwriters want to show them as brave, they fail because I just can't stop myself from thinking "why, oh why are you so dumb and incompetent!?"

I wouldn't mind watching some competence porn in the genre, with sensible, smart and resourceful characters who need to work to shift the odds in their favour instead of just barging in and winning all by design.

I don't disagree, but this is literally the worst place to go look for that kind of thing.

 creeping-deth87 wrote:
The dialogue sounds like it was written by a fifteen year old edge lord ("No softness, only the hardness of War" - that is an actual line from the movie). The writing is all over the place, it took about an hour into the movie before anyone I was watching it with could parse what the film was actually about. The almost rape scene was a flex, I'm shocked that wasn't left on the cutting room floor.

...So, a Zack Snyder movie then.

Ugh.

Fra Fee.

Also, for those who accurately pointed out it takes a while to get what’s going on? Even worse? I just don’t care.


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Nope. Given up.

Boring plot. Terrible dialogue. Inconsistent tone and effects. Also, I genuinely don’t give even half a hoot about any of the characters. At all.

Pretty dreadful.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Ugh.

Fra Fee.

Also, for those who accurately pointed out it takes a while to get what’s going on? Even worse? I just don’t care.


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Nope. Given up.

Boring plot. Terrible dialogue. Inconsistent tone and effects. Also, I genuinely don’t give even half a hoot about any of the characters. At all.

Pretty dreadful.

You're going into it with the wrong energy MDG. If you treat it like an unintentional comedy, it's one of the greatest films ever made.

It caused me physical pain to type that sentence

 creeping-deth87 wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Ugh.

Fra Fee.

Also, for those who accurately pointed out it takes a while to get what’s going on? Even worse? I just don’t care.


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Nope. Given up.

Boring plot. Terrible dialogue. Inconsistent tone and effects. Also, I genuinely don’t give even half a hoot about any of the characters. At all.

Pretty dreadful.

You're going into it with the wrong energy MDG. If you treat it like an unintentional comedy, it's one of the greatest films ever made.

It caused me physical pain to type that sentence

Garbage movie, garbage premise. Why would farmers in the this universe use technology that modern farmers haven't used in almost a century? Were they Amish?
The whole premise of the movie only goes down hill from there.
I was expecting something Dune Esque.....this was awful. Makes the final season of Game of Thrones look like Shakespeare. How anyone can give this movie a good review blows my mind. Maybe Im the wrong audience, this is probably a great popcorn turn your brain off movie......except it was really boring I almost fell asleep multiple times. Maybe my brain just couldn't deal with the mental hopscotch required to make sense of the bizarreness of the story. Its not even worth it to go into details of how the story makes no sense.

Imagine a corrupt government comes to your house and asks you for Taco Bell, but you don't have enough Taco bell to give them......so instead of getting more Taco Bell you.......Fly a private jet around the world picking up a handful of buddies to fight the entire corrupt government...., you can offer to pay them for their services, but you couldn't buy Taco Bell, OR A GODDAMN TRACTOR FOR YOUR FARM!

This movie is stupid.

 Andrew1975 wrote:

Garbage movie, garbage premise. Why would farmers in the this universe use technology that modern farmers haven't used in almost a century? Were they Amish?
The whole premise of the movie only goes down hill from there.
I was expecting something Dune Esque.....this was awful. Makes the final season of Game of Thrones look like Shakespeare. How anyone can give this movie a good review blows my mind. Maybe Im the wrong audience, this is probably a great popcorn turn your brain off movie......except it was really boring I almost fell asleep multiple times. Maybe my brain just couldn't deal with the mental hopscotch required to make sense of the bizarreness of the story. Its not even worth it to go into details of how the story makes no sense.

Imagine a corrupt government comes to your house and asks you for Taco Bell, but you don't have enough Taco bell to give them......so instead of getting more Taco Bell you.......Fly a private jet around the world picking up a handful of buddies to fight the entire corrupt government...., you can offer to pay them for their services, but you couldn't buy Taco Bell, OR A GODDAMN TRACTOR FOR YOUR FARM!

This movie is stupid.

Yup, agreed on all counts. I have absolutely no idea how Snyder keeps getting work. The man is the ultimate example of falling upwards.

One only need look to my drivel posts in the Movies thread to get that I have a stomach of cast iron when it comes to Bad Movies.

But this one took the piss. Massively. Normally I can find something to redeem even the worst movie. But not this time.

It’s somehow beyond flaccid. It’s not even a fart, let alone a wet fart of a film.

It really is like something a youngster would write as fan fiction. Which is not to knock the creative skills of youngsters. You got to start somewhere, and as Jake the Dog correctly said? Sucking at something is the first step to being kinda good at something.

Unless you’re Zak Snyder, it seems. Where outside his rather good Dawn of the Dead remake, everything he’s touched has been Bloody Awful.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
One only need look to my drivel posts in the Movies thread to get that I have a stomach of cast iron when it comes to Bad Movies.

But this one took the piss. Massively. Normally I can find something to redeem even the worst movie. But not this time.

It’s somehow beyond flaccid. It’s not even a fart, let alone a wet fart of a film.

It really is like something a youngster would write as fan fiction. Which is not to knock the creative skills of youngsters. You got to start somewhere, and as Jake the Dog correctly said? Sucking at something is the first step to being kinda good at something.

Unless you’re Zak Snyder, it seems. Where outside his rather good Dawn of the Dead remake, everything he’s touched has been Bloody Awful.

He's very hit and miss for me. I like 300, Dawn of the Dead, Watchman....Hell I may be one of the few people that actually really liked Sucker Punch. Most of his other stuff is pretty bad though This movie made as much sense as Independence day (A movie I truly deeply hate)......but at least Independence day wasn't boring, just stupid.

Maybe it has to do with all the hype about it for the last few years......my expectations were pretty high. How do you look at this script and go "Yep, for sure, this is a dynastic 4 feature property right here!"?

Just saw that “The King” in this movie was Carey Elwes. Maybe it was the brevity of his scenes, the terrible haircuts or dude had some work done, I didn’t even recognize him. Blew my mind that it was him. Granted, its been awhile since I saw him.

 Andrew1975 wrote:

Maybe it has to do with all the hype about it for the last few years......my expectations were pretty high.

Given that you just said that you find Snyder very hit & miss, and you think most of his work is actually pretty bad....
Why were your expectations higher than hopefully good, maybe mediocre, probably bad?

 Andrew1975 wrote:
He's very hit and miss for me. I like 300, Dawn of the Dead, Watchman....

Zack Snyder does very well when he is given a budget and a delivery date and told to just get it done.

When he does his own work, it's just his ego on display to the detriment of everything else.

Basically, Zack Snyder is Michael Bay except Zack Snyder thinks he's Alfred Hitchcock while Michael Bay knows and accepts his role in life.

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 Andrew1975 wrote:

Maybe it has to do with all the hype about it for the last few years......my expectations were pretty high.

Given that you just said that you find Snyder very hit & miss, and you think most of his work is actually pretty bad....
Why were your expectations higher than hopefully good, maybe mediocre, probably bad?

Again, I think it was all the hype. For years we have been hearing about this grand space opera that would be a 4 movie dynasty. Rarely do studios go all in on something like that if there isn't something to it. Snyder has a lot of crap, but some of his work is actually very very good. I am not the arbiter of movies either, most people love the big summer stupid action movie...I rarely do. I'll take Mars Attacks over Independence day a million times, because, well Mars Attacks is supposed to be funny, where Independence day is unintentionally funny because its stupid.

Fury Road is one of my favorite movies...nothing about the movie makes sense....like at all. The cinematography is so pretty though, and its action sequences are so mind blowingly crazy, its one of the few movies where the enjoyment centers of my brain just beat the logical centers of my brain to a pulp and make them shut up and watch. The purpose of that statement is that I can understand how some people can like stupid movies, if there are other redeeming values, rebel moon has no redeeming values. I can still watch Beast Master, stupid low budget movie, but it wasn't pretending to be anything else. Maybe if Rebel Moon had been pitched as a stupid science fiction netflix movie, well, I probably just wouldn't have cared at all. It was pitched as a multi movie space opera along the lines of Star Wars and Dune.....it is not. Show some more skin, a heavy sound track and some gratuitous violence and it could have been from the Heavy Metal movie series. and at that point it might have been....... OK, but not for that budget. Jesus someone is taking a both on that.

 Andrew1975 wrote:
Garbage movie, garbage premise. Why would farmers in the this universe use technology that modern farmers haven't used in almost a century? Were they Amish?

Yes, they're Space Amish. The headman explains as much. It doesn't happen in slow motion, so it's understandably easier to miss than other parts of the movie.

 Andrew1975 wrote:
Imagine a corrupt government comes to your house and asks you for Taco Bell, but you don't have enough Taco bell to give them......so instead of getting more Taco Bell you.......Fly a private jet around the world picking up a handful of buddies to fight the entire corrupt government...., you can offer to pay them for their services, but you couldn't buy Taco Bell, OR A GODDAMN TRACTOR FOR YOUR FARM!

The villagers are willing and able to pay with the small excess harvest they're expecting, but are really looking for volunteers for whom sticking it to the man is payment enough.

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It's no surprise it's reminiscient of Battle Beyond the Stars. They have the same source material - Seven Samurai.

Nah.

Battle Beyond The Stars has its low budget charm.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Nah.

Battle Beyond The Stars has its low budget charm.

Sure but it is still absolutely Seven Samurai in space. I thought Rebel Moon was supposed to be Snyder trying to (re)make Star Wars so shouldn't that be the influence? Or if going back to Kurosawa shouldn't The Hidden Fortress?

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