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Billicus wrote:
Be nice if the Guard box was just 3 tanks. Surely anyone who's remotely interested in guard has inf/command squads already as they were bundled with the codex.

Oh nevermind I asked and answered my own thought there

Gw screwed if they can't sell these. They look to sell new ARMIES. Not some random additions to existing armies.

Guv with lots of infantry(what came with codex not enough btw) isn't target. Guys with no guard army is.

And for those mix better.

tneva82 wrote:
They look to sell new ARMIES. Not some random additions to existing armies.

I don't think they care why people are buying them, only that people buy them.

 Overread wrote:
If that Tyranid set is as rumoured I'd be really happy with it and would want to grab at least one or two if possible.

Same here, would be down for one! Haven't bought any of the new models yet since I'm plenty busy with my Leviathan sets and extras, so if the box is mostly that I'd be happy! I'm not really in need of a Tyrant, so that's conversion fodder at a minimum or if I bother with it I can sell him for cheap. And Genestealers are pretty nice, but like most players I already have more that I could ever field now (would have been nice to have some detachment changing the battleline units). But I'm still interested in them to have all generation of models! The rest of the line up is great otherwise! I'm running low on Hormagaunts since I used most of mine in a side project and have about 10 left, so more of them would be welcome

I started tyranids this edition and although I have 1 emmisary I have nothing else in that set, and could make it an assimilator instead.

1 box would be great, especially at that discount point, 2 even better but at Australian priced I think money is too tight for 2 boxes.


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Also the Emissary is out of stock, and the hive tyrant only just came back in stock, who knows for how long.
The hormagaunts and genestealers are instock in Australia, but again, who knows for how long, almost everything else from the initial wave release is out of stock.

GW really need to work on getting their current range filled rather than spewing out masses of new releases....

The final sentence in this week's Warhammer preview article.

On Warhammer Community, this year’s Battleforce boxes will be revealed, and there will be rules coverage for both Ionus Cryptborn and Belthanos, as well as their respective Armies of Renown from Dawnbringers Book III.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/10/22/sunday-preview-the-cities-of-sigmar-muster/

Good spot. Seems they are being revealed surprisngly early this year. I kind of expect we'll get 40k tomorrow and aos tuesday or something along those lines.

chaos0xomega wrote:
Good spot. Seems they are being revealed surprisingly early this year.

Gotta drum up that FOMO hype real good before ultimately putting 7 of each box on sale

My FLGS says even with the two week preorders they gotta get their order in on the first day* or they get 0 limited boxes and get regular releases weeks late.

*by which I mean the Monday immediately after Sunday preview, before official preorders start

I think GW has been producing more of these limited boxes than in the past. The Legiones Astartes Battlegroup was available for preorder on the UK and US sites for several days before they sold out, for example. Likewise last few warcry box sets lingered for a while (and some art still available from indy retailers, while the most recent release is on the GW site still). The dawnbringers boxes for AoS are all still available on the GW set as well. Even the leviathan boxset I think lasted on the GW site for a few weeks before it went out of stock, and there are still dozens of copies available online from discounters.

In general past 6 months I've heard less complaints about things selling out before people can get them. I know the holiday battleforces are traditionally a bit of a different animal in that regards, and that aside from 40k (which Leviathan is the only indicator of) the other games don't necessarily have the same level of demand as 40k, but to me these are good signs about the health of GWs production throughput (or bad signs about the health of hte community, or both). For the first time in quite a few years it doesn't feel like the Hunger Games trying to grab GWs new limited releases though, so I'll take it.

My FLGS has always been amazing with getting GW stuff in, even had a pile of Cursed City stacked to the ceiling during that whole fiasco, but now everything is late - almost as bad as in the the height of Brexit chaos - and he's struggling to secure limited product. Of course it could be he simply got on some rep's bad side.

See, my dirty secret is that for the past ~year I've been buying my GW product online exclusively, often from overseas to get it at a discount vs buying locally, so I have less first-hand experience with what the situation is like for retailer at the moment unfortunately vs in the past when I was close friends with the staff and owners/part time employed by them. Unfortunately one of the stores went out of business due to the owner tightening his belt and wanting to focus on only one location of what otherwise seemed a burgeoning hobby retail empire, and the owner of the other died very suddenly and the business was basically stolen by some kid who thought that the owners family wouldn't sue him (we'll see how that works out for him - I don't expect it to end well).

chaos0xomega wrote:
I think GW has been producing more of these limited boxes than in the past. The Legiones Astartes Battlegroup was available for preorder on the UK and US sites for several days before they sold out, for example. Likewise last few warcry box sets lingered for a while (and some art still available from indy retailers, while the most recent release is on the GW site still). The dawnbringers boxes for AoS are all still available on the GW set as well. Even the leviathan boxset I think lasted on the GW site for a few weeks before it went out of stock, and there are still dozens of copies available online from discounters.

In general past 6 months I've heard less complaints about things selling out before people can get them. I know the holiday battleforces are traditionally a bit of a different animal in that regards, and that aside from 40k (which Leviathan is the only indicator of) the other games don't necessarily have the same level of demand as 40k, but to me these are good signs about the health of GWs production throughput (or bad signs about the health of hte community, or both). For the first time in quite a few years it doesn't feel like the Hunger Games trying to grab GWs new limited releases though, so I'll take it.

To that point, you can still get four of the six AoS Battleforces at a discount and a pair of the marine splash release boxes. There were a couple of the 2021 AoS battleforces on sale well into 2023. I think you are right, they are producing more of them, but they also expanded the number of offerings which further dilute the demand for any single box. GW gets a lot of scorn for stuff going out of stock, but they did a good job with those last year!

I imagine this year's Marine one will sell out very quickly.

Lot of people starting Tyranids at the moment as well, and the upcoming box is a decent swarm.

For sure, the SM and Nid boxes will be leading the pack in sales I imagine, as they include generic units that people want multiples of (and in the case of the nids one contains stuff that people haven't been able to buy for a couple months).

World Eaters box strikes me as a low seller. Inclusion of Angron means its going to be a one per customer box, whereas some of the other boxes are items that people will want to buy multiples of. Low sales might be offset by it being lower production, as I assume GW prints different numbers of each box based on expected sales.

Astra Militarum box I also expect to be a low seller, 2 Praetorians means that people will probably not buy more than 1, as you can't take more than 3 of them.

Ork and Votann boxes are iffy, Votann because its not clear whats actually in it yet and because the faction seems somewhat divisive and not a lot of people play the but they are also top 3 meta, Orks because my take has been that the Beast Snagga stuff isn't very popular but also because its a top 3 meta faction.

If the WE box has 6 Eightbound in it, expect it to fly off shelves!

But it won't. It'll have Angron, 10 Zerkers, 10 Jackhals and maybe 3 Eightbound.

I want it 'cause I don't own Angron, and this might be a good way of getting him cheaper. He's the only Daemon Primarch I want (don't have the other two either) as I'm a die-hard WE player (or was until their half-Codex invalidated most of my models).

Yeah I grabbed the TSons one with Magnus because it wasn't that much more than buying Magnus anyway. From a purely collecting perspective this year's rumored boxes check a lot of boxes for me, could get expensive.

 flaherty wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
I think GW has been producing more of these limited boxes than in the past. The Legiones Astartes Battlegroup was available for preorder on the UK and US sites for several days before they sold out, for example. Likewise last few warcry box sets lingered for a while (and some art still available from indy retailers, while the most recent release is on the GW site still). The dawnbringers boxes for AoS are all still available on the GW set as well. Even the leviathan boxset I think lasted on the GW site for a few weeks before it went out of stock, and there are still dozens of copies available online from discounters.

In general past 6 months I've heard less complaints about things selling out before people can get them. I know the holiday battleforces are traditionally a bit of a different animal in that regards, and that aside from 40k (which Leviathan is the only indicator of) the other games don't necessarily have the same level of demand as 40k, but to me these are good signs about the health of GWs production throughput (or bad signs about the health of hte community, or both). For the first time in quite a few years it doesn't feel like the Hunger Games trying to grab GWs new limited releases though, so I'll take it.

To that point, you can still get four of the six AoS Battleforces at a discount and a pair of the marine splash release boxes. There were a couple of the 2021 AoS battleforces on sale well into 2023. I think you are right, they are producing more of them, but they also expanded the number of offerings which further dilute the demand for any single box. GW gets a lot of scorn for stuff going out of stock, but they did a good job with those last year!

To be fair some AoS armies have very few options to pick from. Daughters of Khaine, despite getting a lot of lore and focus for a good while, are actually one of the smaller model ranges. So many of their boxed sets are the same models rotating around so fans of that army have just got most of what they need. They are down to wanting a few things not a whole big battleforce - esp since AoS 3.0 did a massive number of cutting down unit counts for infantry. 2.0 had big blocks but 3.0 has cut them down a lot so there's just not the need for loads of excess right now.

I do agree Tyranid and Marine boxed sets will sell fast, heck I'll be keen to see the Tyranid one.

Nice of GW to tell us so far ahead of time. I don't think GW is consistent in when they reveal the battle forces, but good to see this year it's on the customer friendlier side. The Guard box has been spoiled already, but I'm still looking forward to confirmation of what's in the Squat box.

 Overread wrote:
... there's just not the need for loads of excess right now.

There is always need for loads of excess!

This message was brought to you by the Devoted Followers of Sigmar and Not Some Other Far Greater Deity Whose Name Also Starts With an S, Honest, Society.

AOS

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/10/23/warhammer-age-of-sigmar-battleforces-four-incredible-boxed-sets-for-the-festive-season/

Actually in the market for starting a Stormcast army and they've not put a box out?

Feels a bit like they're deliberately targeting me with this act.

They don't put a stormcast box out every year, stormcast don't have the same market dominance that space marines do.

I have mixed feelings on these boxes, my inner hoarder once two of each of them, in reality I wont see much value from them.

Seraphon box - don't currently play them. I've been eyeing a Seraphon launch box, and I already have hunters of huanchi via warcry. Is it worth having 2 units of hunters of huanchi? How about 3? Is there any use for having 2 or more Slann Starmasters?? Warriors and Kroxigor (especially Kroxigor) are always welcome, also like the Aggradon Lancers, just would have wanted more of them and less of the other stuff.

Ossiarch box - already have 8 Morghast units, not sure if I need more unless I wanted to double up on harbingers and archai with each of the weapons, etc.. Already have 3 liege kavalos (including the special character, don't need more) and 30 riders. Need 1 or 2 Gothizzar Harvesters for my collection, only have 40 mortek guard, so could use both of those. Probably skip this one and get 2 vanguard boxes instead.

Slaves box - I bought 3 launch boxes, don't think I need any more chosen, but more knights and warriors are always welcome, and I guess I could use more ogroids if I ever wanted to try to field an ogroid army. Don't have any Eternus/Lord on mount either.

Soulblight box - this would be perfect if they had literally anything other than a vengorian lord in there - I bought 2 of the last Soulblight box, so I already have 2 of them, and I don't need more - but I want more skellies, want more blood knights, have no fell bats or dire wolves.

Probably buy 2 each of the seraphon, slaves, and soulblight boxes and sell the extras I don't need (slann, chosen, vengorians)

40k boxes will be previewed later today. Probs in about 30-45 minutes.

Two death boxes but no destruction ?

AoS Battleforce discount calculations: (Prices assumed for a ~35% discount as that is about what we got last year)

Seraphon:

1x Slann Starmaster - £52.50 - 67,5€ - $85
1x Saurus Warriors - £37.50 - 50€ - $60
1x Kroxigors - £37.50 - 50€ - $60
1x Aggradon Lancers - £37.50 - 50€ - $60
1x Hunters of Huanchi - £37.50 - 50€ - $60

Total: £202.50 - 267,5€ - $325 -> Assumed prices: £130 - 170€ - $210

Ossiarch Bonereapers:

1x Arch-Kavalos Zandtos - £35 - 45€ - $60
1x Mortek Guard - £37.50 - 50€ - $60
1x Gothizzar Harvester - £35 - 45€ - $60
1x Kavalos Deathriders - £37.50 - 50€ - $60
2x Morghast Archai - £85 - 110€ - $140

Total: £230 - 300€ - $380 -> Assumed prices: £150 - 195€ - $250

Slaves to Darkness:

1x Eternus, Blade of The First Prince - £37.5 - 50€ - $60
1x Ogroid Theridons - £40 - 55€ - $65
1x Chaos Knights - £40 - 55€ - $65
1x Chaos Chosen - £37.50 - 50€ - $60
1x Chaos Warriors - £37.50 - 50€ - $60

Total: £192,5 - 260€ - $310 -> Assumed prices: £125 - 170€ - $200

Soulblight Gravelords:

1x Vengorian Lord - £42,5 - 55€ - $70
1x Blood Knights - £42,5 - 55€ - $70
1x Deathrattle Skeletons - £37,5 - 50€ - $60
1x Dire Wolves - £35 - 45€ - $60
1x Fell Bats - £35 - 45€ - $60

Total: £192,5 - 250€ - $320 -> Assumed prices: £125 - 165€ - $210



Again the prices are only assumed so the discount is close to 35% as that is the average we got last year. But that is just an average and there were boxes with higher and lower discounts so the actual prices this year will be different. This is just an estimate

I'd be interested in that Soulblight box for certain! Vengorian, bloodknights, wolves, skeletons, bats - there's a lot to like in that set! Lots of big chunky fun things

The Seraphon one looks great- nice collection of models.

40k wise I'm interested in the Nids and Votann. Nids has a nice collection of the new models I'm interested in and the Votann one will add a good bit of heft to my Votann forces.

Rumours confirmed

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/10/23/warhammer-40000-battleforces-six-awesome-boxed-sets-to-kickstart-your-winter-season/

Ow my wallet.

40K Battleforce discount calculations: (Prices assumed for a ~35% discount as that is about what we got last year)

Space Marines:

1x Captain with Jump Pack - £25 - 32,5€ - $40
3x Jump Pack Intercessors - £105 - 135€ - $180
1x Primaris Invader ATV - £30 - 40€ - $50
1x Outriders - £37,5 - 50€ - $60

Total: £207,5 - 257,5€ - $330 -> Assumed prices: £135 - 170€ - $215

Tyranids:

1x Norn Assimilator - £70 - 90€ - $115
1x Hive Tyrant - £37,5 - 50€ - $60
1x Genestealers - £32,5 - 42,5€ - $55
2x Hormagaunts - £60 - €80 - $100

Total: £200 - 262,5€ - $330 -> Assumed prices: £130 - 170€ - $215

World Eaters:

1x Angron - £100 - 130€ - $170
1x Khorne Berzerkers - £40 - 55€ - $65
2x Exalted Eightbound - £75 - 100€ - $120

Total: £215 - 285€ - $355 -> Assumed prices: £140 - 185€ - $230

Leagues of Votann:

1x Grimnyr - £27,5 - 35€ - $45
1x Einhyr Champion - £25 - 32,5€ - $40
2x Einhyr Hearthguard - £75 - 100€ - $120
1x Sagitaur - £40 - 55€ - $65
1x Hekaton Land Fortress - £70 - 90€ - $115

Total: £237,5 - 312,5€ - $385 -> Assumed prices: £155 - 205€ - $250

Astra Militarum:

1x Cadian Command Squad - £27,5 - 35€ - $45
2x Cadian Shock Troops - £60 - 80€ - $100
2x Rogal Dorn Battle Tank - £120 - 160€ - $200

Total: £207,5 - 275€ - $345 -> Assumed prices: £135 - 180€ - $225

Orks:

1x Beastboss on Squigosaur - £35 - 45€ - $60
1x Ork Beast Snagga Boyz - £35 - 45€ - $60
1x Squighog Boyz - £40 - 55€ - $65
1x Painboss - £25 - 32,5€ - $40
1x Kill Rig - £85 - 110€ - $140

Total: £220 - 287,5€ - $365 -> Assumed prices: £145 - 185€ - $240

Again the prices are only assumed so the discount is close to 35% as that is the average we got last year. But that is just an average and there were boxes with higher and lower discounts so the actual prices this year will be different. This is just an estimate

Well. I think I’m in for the Tyranid one. Should round out my current “two lots of Leviathan, thanks to swapsies” collection.

The Tyranid box is very good value if one can sculpt, or kitbash, a second body/carapace for the Tyrant, as one can then make a second model. Hormagaunts are a good choice as well.

No Eldar set! And if we must have Marines, then lets have Stormcasts for AoS. Poster Boy rule and all that.

SamusDrake wrote:
The Tyranid box is very good value if one can sculpt, or kitbash, a second body/carapace for the Tyrant, as one can then make a second model.

I hear that such things exist on ebay...