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I like the Black Templars combat patrol. The Space Woofs aren't so bad either. If I wanted Wulfen, I'd stick their arms on regular power armored Marines. This box is basically that with a bit of a discount. That makes wasting the prancing furry bodies a better proposition.

 Geifer wrote:
If I wanted Wulfen, I'd stick their arms on regular power armored Marines. This box is basically that with a bit of a discount. That makes wasting the prancing furry bodies a better proposition.

That's actually a pretty good shout. Basically how I made my Death Company for BA (arms on Reiver bodies), thought I was lucky enough to have the kits unbuilt to do so. The BA Combat Patrol isn't bad, but I'd happily trade a set of the 3 Sanguard for the 5 man team of the old Death company just to use as conversion fodder for the assault intercessors.

I made wulfen back in 3rd from kitbashing chaos and loyalist marines using Beastmen arms and heads, to look like the classic Kopinski pic he did for the 13th crusade.

The old metal models were riffing on the wolfman look more than a bestial hybrid look the new ones have. Which I much prefer. They're not werewolves, they're men who've developed wolflike features. The subtlety sells it more than the stupid feet.

I too prefer the old metal Wolfen. My conversion back in the day (because I'm a cheap bastard) was to do a genestealer cult infected 13th Company. My "Wolfen" were marine torsos, legs, backpacks, and shoulder pads. The arms are a mix of Catachan and Genestealer arms (gotten as a cheap ebay bits lot). The heads are a mix of bearded Fantasy heads, SW sprue heads, and the occasional genestealer head.

Summer Preview reveals:

Leagues of Votann











Space Marines:












Kill Team Death Watch vs Necrons

Those new cCPs look tiny and crap.

JWBS wrote:
Those new cCPs look tiny and crap.

It's only the iron hands and white scars because they've used bulky units imo.

Ultimately they keep the patrols a fixed price point and if the cost of contents go up they simply put less in, hence shrink over time.

I like the IF one. The IH one is tragic.

I like the Imperial Fists combat patrol as well. Glad to see Lysander turn out well, too.

A couple of my buddies on our gaming group's Discord were suggesting that the White Scars bike character will probably be the basis of many Dark Angels Sammael conversions. Sammael's official model is showing its age a bit these days, and it's Finecrap to boot, so maybe an update wouldn't be a bad thing.

 ZergSmasher wrote:
A couple of my buddies on our gaming group's Discord were suggesting that the White Scars bike character will probably be the basis of many Dark Angels Sammael conversions. Sammael's official model is showing its age a bit these days, and it's Finecrap to boot, so maybe an update wouldn't be a bad thing.

If I were going to invest in a Sammael model?
I'd just go to the effort (& expense?) Of tracking down an original metal kit.

It's funny cause I want to get the Iron Hands box for the turrets to go with the Imperial Fists one instead of the terminators, make a defensive army

ccs wrote:

If I were going to invest in a Sammael model?
I'd just go to the effort (& expense?) Of tracking down an original metal kit.

As a display piece sure, but it's completely out of scale next to more recent kits.

 BertBert wrote:

ccs wrote:

If I were going to invest in a Sammael model?
I'd just go to the effort (& expense?) Of tracking down an original metal kit.

As a display piece sure, but it's completely out of scale next to more recent kits.

A) I routinely run forces comprised of models dating from RT days through the present. I assure you I don't mind.

B) It wouldn't be out of scale as my entire DAs force is 1st born. I haven't added anything to the force since 2015(?) - BUT, if I ever feel the need to add something "new/modern" to the force? Refer back to A)

ccs wrote:

 BertBert wrote:

ccs wrote:

If I were going to invest in a Sammael model?
I'd just go to the effort (& expense?) Of tracking down an original metal kit.

As a display piece sure, but it's completely out of scale next to more recent kits.

A) I routinely run forces comprised of models dating from RT days through the present. I assure you I don't mind.

B) It wouldn't be out of scale as my entire DAs force is 1st born. I haven't added anything to the force since 2015(?) - BUT, if I ever feel the need to add something "new/modern" to the force? Refer back to A)

Now you're making me jealous, that collection must be quite a sight to behold!

I just noticed something about the Votann release. No Jump Pack guys. After their kill team release it was pretty much considered a given that their next codex would contain jump pack guys. Unless Votann are getting even MORE models, looks like they didn't make the codex. Depressing, but intriguing.

When templar leaks?

 cuda1179 wrote:
I just noticed something about the Votann release. No Jump Pack guys. After their kill team release it was pretty much considered a given that their next codex would contain jump pack guys. Unless Votann are getting even MORE models, looks like they didn't make the codex. Depressing, but intriguing.

GW have held back models from a larger new release to be revealed later and closer to the release date. With AoS they've tended to do this with things like Endless Spells; but they can do it with regular models too.

I tend to notice they like to do it when the preview and release have a good chunk of time between them (intentionally) since it gives them some fresh news to get people fired up for when the release reveal comes up.

 Overread wrote:

 cuda1179 wrote:
I just noticed something about the Votann release. No Jump Pack guys. After their kill team release it was pretty much considered a given that their next codex would contain jump pack guys. Unless Votann are getting even MORE models, looks like they didn't make the codex. Depressing, but intriguing.

GW have held back models from a larger new release to be revealed later and closer to the release date. With AoS they've tended to do this with things like Endless Spells; but they can do it with regular models too.

I tend to notice they like to do it when the preview and release have a good chunk of time between them (intentionally) since it gives them some fresh news to get people fired up for when the release reveal comes up.

Still a chance then. However, that would mean a range increase of at least 3 characters, a vehicle, and three infantry kits. not unheard of, but it is a big release for a less than mainstream army. Not to mention increasing their available units by 54%. I also think, why hide just one unit? you'd think they'd hide at least two.

I picked up the blind box Ultramarines in a batch sale, and the Blood Angel Termies in a discount.

2 runs. The blind box works alongside the current card game sales model, because of the impression that you are dipping your toe in on a regularly expensive game. They sold them in Barnes and Noble, alongside those compartmentalized box games. My impression was that they were being sold there as additional figures to use in the games, and I wasn't the only one.

They are a good idea in Japan and eastern markets, because that is an established way of selling things over there. In the States, I picked up the lots because someone got them for one reason or another, and sold them to me on a discount. I'd heard of them, but didn't really know if they would fit in the Space Marine Adventures games, for which they were originally made...

When I found that they did, it was an added bonus. The regular marines were for the original Space Marine Adventures game, The Terminators were the same figures as the ones in the Ork version of the game.

 cuda1179 wrote:

 Overread wrote:

 cuda1179 wrote:
I just noticed something about the Votann release. No Jump Pack guys. After their kill team release it was pretty much considered a given that their next codex would contain jump pack guys. Unless Votann are getting even MORE models, looks like they didn't make the codex. Depressing, but intriguing.

GW have held back models from a larger new release to be revealed later and closer to the release date. With AoS they've tended to do this with things like Endless Spells; but they can do it with regular models too.

I tend to notice they like to do it when the preview and release have a good chunk of time between them (intentionally) since it gives them some fresh news to get people fired up for when the release reveal comes up.

Still a chance then. However, that would mean a range increase of at least 3 characters, a vehicle, and three infantry kits. not unheard of, but it is a big release for a less than mainstream army. Not to mention increasing their available units by 54%. I also think, why hide just one unit? you'd think they'd hide at least two.

I doubt that Votann will get anything else for their codex release beyond what GW showed off on Friday. That said, there will presumably be some sort of end-of-edition campaign series, and additional stuff could be released for any/all of the armies as part of that. There are a number of things that the Votann could get besides jump troops, like a dreadnaught-equivalent, a true battle tank, or a big artillery piece.

I wonder what the plan for the dark eldar is going to be. It’s almost as if they aren’t getting anything at all this edition (other than maybe that leaked lady malys). I suppose it’s too much to hope that the 10th edition codexes will be playable in 11th edition. That would reduce the frustration with getting one of the later codexes.

Personally I'm starting to hope that they just push Dark Eldar back a bit further and make them the enemy army in 11th Ed starter.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
Personally I'm starting to hope that they just push Dark Eldar back a bit further and make them the enemy army in 11th Ed starter.

Given current rumour track records there's little reason to think it won't be orks.

semajnollissor wrote:
I wonder what the plan for the dark eldar is going to be. It’s almost as if they aren’t getting anything at all this edition (other than maybe that leaked lady malys). I suppose it’s too much to hope that the 10th edition codexes will be playable in 11th edition. That would reduce the frustration with getting one of the later codexes.

We are more likely to get an edition in which the current codices still work. Historically speaking anyway. It usually takes a while for the designers to add enough bloat to the game for the core rules to become entirely inadequate.

There's no way to be sure, of course. Especially since the current 40k design team doesn't seem to know what they're doing. They might just change their minds about how fundamentals of the game are supposed to work. Again.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
Personally I'm starting to hope that they just push Dark Eldar back a bit further and make them the enemy army in 11th Ed starter.

I wouldn't do that to yourself, but the same rumours that Orks are the 11th ed starter opponents also say that DE are getting a more substantive refresh in 11th edition.

Craftworld got a huge update semi-recently and they didn't feature as the title faction in a starter set, despite needing a huge number of models.

Meanwhile both Necrons and Tyranids were honestly in good positions before the new launch edition updates to their armies.



So it can be hard to judge. Also lets not forget GW is slowly doing to Demons in 40K; what they did in AoS with splintering them up. So there's potentially 4 "armies" now for Chaos that might warrant bigger model updates and perhaps even replacement of models crossed between AoS and 40K to make them more unique.
There's also the potential that GW follows through and makes Dark Mechanicus into its own thing as they've been seeding the ground on that a lot in 40K.

New armies are typically released at end of life in an edition. I think the only time theyve launched a new army in a starter set was Death Guard in 8th (and arguably Blades of Khorne, Nighthaunt, and Kruleboyz in Age of Sigmar 1st/2nd/3rd)

Wait when did Sisters of Battle appear - were they an end or start of edition?

I think end and then so close that they put them in the start-edition video (the one with necrons) so they almost felt like a bit of both

They were towards the end of 8th.

chaos0xomega wrote:
They were towards the end of 8th.

And end of 2nd originally, so the theory holds!