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Tyel wrote:I think the issue with age is also whether the model is any good or not. Not really convinced a high definition version of the Leman Russ would meaningfully do anything.

The Falcon is ancient. But maybe it's bias, I still think it's a great model.

Arguably this is the issue for plastic DE. Sure the sculpts are from 15~ years ago, but most of them hold up well. I can't see "New Kabalites" being a dramatic improvement. Same for Wyches.

Which is why I wouldn't want replacements, I'd want new stuff.

The Falcon is so ancient that when it was first introduced, there was an article in WD that explained how they used pantography machines to cut molds from 3-ups, because doing models in CAD was like, another 10-15 years off at the time.

Arschbombe wrote:

MarkNorfolk wrote:
The Epic 40,000 era early version was a bit better, with an actual wave emitter between the bows.

The original FW Wave Serpent was a resin kit based around the plastic Falcon kit and included the bit between the prows.

The original original Wave Serpent is another article in WD explaining how you can make a serpent turret out of spare shuriken cannons and the bowl of a plastic spoon (and green stuff)

I'm awld, so what.

 Dryaktylus wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Does 30k have Chimeras in general?

Nope. The Legion Basilisk and Medusa had a Chimera chassis though.

The HH Solar Auxilia Basilisk/Medusa uses a Leman hull. The 40K Astra Militarum Basilisk, Manticore/Deathstrike, and Hydra/Wyvern all use the Chimera hull. I’m curious what the lore is for when and where the guns changed chassises.
I don’t think there has been a Chimera in the HH game. IIRC several are destroyed in the Lion El'Jonson Primarch book.

Smaug wrote:

 Dryaktylus wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Does 30k have Chimeras in general?

Nope. The Legion Basilisk and Medusa had a Chimera chassis though.

The HH Solar Auxilia Basilisk/Medusa uses a Leman hull.

The Solar Auxiliary artillery tanks and the Legion equivalents are not the same. The Legion Basilisk uses what looks like an up-armoured chimera chassis as its base.
As for when the switch happened, some time after the Scouring. As for why? Economics, probably. The marines stopped using artillery, and the newly minted Imperial Guard was suddenly at the mercy of the Administratum rather than being an adjunct of the Crusade and thus suddenly had to deal with budgets.
Also worth noting that despite calling it the chimaera hull, the deep lore is that chimaeras are actually retrofitted basilisks, not the other way around. So some time after the Guard started using stripped down legion basilisks, someone discovered that you could take the big gun out, put in some seats, stick a turret on top and go zoom.

GW has long struggled with which hull the Bombard uses too, so it could reasonably be concluded that multiple artillery platforms use(d) both.

*SAD OLD GIT MODE*

AcTuAlLy I think you’ll find the Chimera began as an APC adaptation of the venerable Basilisk chassis, actually

Bombard originally had a Leman Russ style chassis.

I just want the chimerro, chimerax, and chimedon back. Make it happen, James!

Edit: Not News/Rumors

(Always read the topic before responding )

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
*SAD OLD GIT MODE*

AcTuAlLy I think you’ll find the Chimera began as an APC adaptation of the venerable Basilisk chassis, actually

Bombard originally had a Leman Russ style chassis.

Thanks for repeating the last few posts, I guess.

I kinda miss having water features on a board, as the Chimera used to have an amphibious ability to ignore it.

 Mr_Rose wrote:

Smaug wrote:

 Dryaktylus wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Does 30k have Chimeras in general?

Nope. The Legion Basilisk and Medusa had a Chimera chassis though.

The HH Solar Auxilia Basilisk/Medusa uses a Leman hull.

The Solar Auxiliary artillery tanks and the Legion equivalents are not the same. The Legion Basilisk uses what looks like an up-armoured chimera chassis as its base.
As for when the switch happened, some time after the Scouring. As for why? Economics, probably. The marines stopped using artillery, and the newly minted Imperial Guard was suddenly at the mercy of the Administratum rather than being an adjunct of the Crusade and thus suddenly had to deal with budgets.
Also worth noting that despite calling it the chimaera hull, the deep lore is that chimaeras are actually retrofitted basilisks, not the other way around. So some time after the Guard started using stripped down legion basilisks, someone discovered that you could take the big gun out, put in some seats, stick a turret on top and go zoom.

Lion El’Johnson: Lord of the First published 2020. This book takes place before both the Heresy and Scouring. One of the older Forge World Basilisk variants looks like it used a modified Chimera hull but the current Legion one the GW site is definitely a Leman hull.

Back on topic, sorry for knocking things off...

So what else might we expect? more Ultramarines?

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Back on topic, sorry for knocking things off...

So what else might we expect? more Ultramarines?

Valrak seemed pretty convinced about Assault Terminators coming alongside an updated Marine Dex in advance of an all Terminator Christmas box.
Though it seems odd to me that they would do an entire end of edition update to Marines only to immediately dump the models into a discount box.

I guess they could take the opportunity to make an upcoming SM Codex an 11th edition Codex ahead of the launch, but that seems unlikely given how they are literally always the first Codex release of an edition. It may also be that there is no full Codex and it's just an update like the RG and Salamanders got.

 Jack Flask wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Back on topic, sorry for knocking things off...

So what else might we expect? more Ultramarines?

Valrak seemed pretty convinced about Assault Terminators coming alongside an updated Marine Dex in advance of an all Terminator Christmas box.
Though it seems odd to me that they would do an entire end of edition update to Marines only to immediately dump the models into a discount box.

It would probably be a bunch of existing models, one squad of assault terminators, and a new terminator character like they did with Deathwing Assault (2x DW terminators, new character and new Deathwing knights)

So GW shared an article about the upcoming Knights codex, am I the only one let down by the exclusion of the Cerastus Knights? I mean, they have plastic models, so that excuse doesn’t comply…

 Malika2 wrote:
So GW shared an article about the upcoming Knights codex, am I the only one let down by the exclusion of the Cerastus Knights? I mean, they have plastic models, so that excuse doesn’t comply…

They're 30k models, and you can't cross the (revenue) streams...

 Jack Flask wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Back on topic, sorry for knocking things off...

So what else might we expect? more Ultramarines?

Valrak seemed pretty convinced about Assault Terminators coming alongside an updated Marine Dex in advance of an all Terminator Christmas box.
Though it seems odd to me that they would do an entire end of edition update to Marines only to immediately dump the models into a discount box.

That happened in 2023 too. GW released new Tyranid & Marine models in Autumn, then put some of them straight into the xmas boxes a couple of months later. It's why I think we'll get the assault terminator announcement very soon, so GW can sell the indivdually boxed versions before announcing the discount.

Valrak has also mentioned an updated Gulliman model and vanguard vets, so there could be quite a decent-sized release coming before the holidays.

JWBS wrote:

 Jack Flask wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Back on topic, sorry for knocking things off...

So what else might we expect? more Ultramarines?

Valrak seemed pretty convinced about Assault Terminators coming alongside an updated Marine Dex in advance of an all Terminator Christmas box.
Though it seems odd to me that they would do an entire end of edition update to Marines only to immediately dump the models into a discount box.

It would probably be a bunch of existing models, one squad of assault terminators, and a new terminator character like they did with Deathwing Assault (2x DW terminators, new character and new Deathwing knights)

Spoiler:

Right, but the rumor is specifically that it's a box of Terminators, Assault Terminators, a Terminator Ancient, a Terminator Chaplain, and a Terminator Captain; all in the new BIG-inator scale. But currently the Assault Terminators are the old 6th(?) Ed small-inators, so GW would have to release Assault BIG-inators sometime between now and December to make that possible.

xttz wrote:That happened in 2023 too. GW released new Tyranid & Marine models in Autumn, then put some of them straight into the xmas boxes a couple of months later. It's why I think we'll get the assault terminator announcement very soon, so GW can sell the indivdually boxed versions before announcing the discount.

Valrak has also mentioned an updated Gulliman model and vanguard vets, so there could be quite a decent-sized release coming before the holidays.

Fair point on the Tyranids, I couldn't remember if that had happened or not.

Regarding V.Vets, Valrak recently said that 11th Ed launch going to be a wave of Marine Fast Attack, supposedly with:

Devastator Captain

new Landspeeder variant

nu-Tactical Squad

Vanguard Veterans

Flame-based Dreadnaught variant

Multipart Outriders

So if that's accurate then there won't be new V.Vets until next Summer/Fall

GW does have a few modes of releasing new things.

New thing + old stuff in big box --> later --> New thing separate
New thing individually --> include in bundle later
And launch box type bundles deal don’t always contain the entire wave.

And what if things were mislabeled from that rumor? In the WarCom article, the Victrix Guard are noted as being from the 1st company. If I told you we were expecting a new terminator hero and some 1st company vets, including an ancient and some CC boys, you might automatically convey the TDA to the second half of that. Especially as new assault terminators should be pretty high up on GW’s to-do list.

I hate to say “wait and see” but until we get at least a potatocam pic, I’m not holding my breath. So many way this could happen, with precedent for all of it. GW is not exactly consistent.


As for what other things could be in store for the Ultras,

They did not specify minis. It could be story/lore progression, a BL novel, or just an event centered around them.
For minis, there are still plenty of characters they could dust off and primarisize. Cassius, Cronos, Talion. Or any of the many who are name dropped but never got specific models.
They could do more with Tyranic War Veterans. We got a taste of what that could look like with the phobos combi vet. We could get a whole squad of grizzed vets from the Tyranic wars.

 Malika2 wrote:
So GW shared an article about the upcoming Knights codex, am I the only one let down by the exclusion of the Cerastus Knights? I mean, they have plastic models, so that excuse doesn’t comply…

None of the 30k Knights are in the codex. However, the Imperial Armor files will be updated and valid.

beast_gts wrote:

 Malika2 wrote:
So GW shared an article about the upcoming Knights codex, am I the only one let down by the exclusion of the Cerastus Knights? I mean, they have plastic models, so that excuse doesn’t comply…

They're 30k models, and you can't cross the (revenue) streams...

Just repackage them and done! I don’t see the issue here.

 Malika2 wrote:

Just repackage them and done! I don’t see the issue here.

Unfortunately, I see the issue GW has with introducing the Cerastus to the 40K codex, as it would mean three £125 boxes to be added to their shelf space in their high street stores.

That said, they could make a new 40K-specific Cerastus kit that can build two new variants that are designed to reuse more components. For example, they don't have weapons that require ammo-belts or large fuel packs, and share the same head and shoulder pads.

In hindsight, I think a plastic Mechanicum Questoris kit would have been the best introduction to the 40K codex for 10th edition - building both the Styrix and Magaera. Throw in some Skiitari profiles for the Xmas detachment...we could have been having a real party for 10th edition. Then in 11th edition introduce a plastic kit for the Moirax. Instead...we get a friggin void shield that nobody asked for and two almost similar kits...

I get why 30k and 40k marines are kept separate. Not just for the financial siloing, but to prevent bloat. There is already too many marine kits to balance without dumping in all the 30k ones.

But knights? They have little enough they should just integrate.

Harlequins and Kreig Combat Patrols incoming...

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/af8hxvxy/two-masked-combat-patrols-deploy-for-the-harlequins-and-death-korps-of-krieg/

...thats right, Harlequins finally have their own Combat Patrol boxset.

SamusDrake wrote:
Harlequins and Kreig Combat Patrols incoming...

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/af8hxvxy/two-masked-combat-patrols-deploy-for-the-harlequins-and-death-korps-of-krieg/

...thats right, Harlequins finally have their own Combat Patrol boxset.

They are really pushing those Krieg Ponies...

SamusDrake wrote:
Harlequins and Kreig Combat Patrols incoming...

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/af8hxvxy/two-masked-combat-patrols-deploy-for-the-harlequins-and-death-korps-of-krieg/

...thats right, Harlequins finally have their own Combat Patrol boxset.

Funny how they call out the DKoK ones as great for building armies as every unit is good to double up on…

…while the Harli one has a Solitaire, where you can only have 1 in your army.

They have turned up in Tacticus now as well

 Nevelon wrote:


Funny how they call out the DKoK ones as great for building armies as every unit is good to double up on…

…while the Harli one has a Solitaire, where you can only have 1 in your army.

Now would have been the perfect time to introduce a new Troupe Master model, but this honestly isn't a problem as you can easily kitbash the second Solitaire into a Troupe Master, or even as a Lead Player for Kill Team. There are going to be plenty of left over components from this new box set to accomplish this.

Even if you don't want to use the second Solitaire as a different character, there are going to be two Harlequins left over from the Star/Void weaver sprues that definitely make for easy Troupe Masters, which look very different from Lead Players. Only thing is you need to buy the extra bases for them, but for £3 its worth it for two Troupe Masters.

Also, you can paint the second Solitaire up for Blackstone Fortress as an "army of one".

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 Lathe Biosas wrote:
They are really pushing those Krieg Ponies...

Kreig aren't my cup of tea, being honest, but it seems a varied box all the same. Depends if they're popular with Krieg Bronies - sorry - Kreig players.

SamusDrake wrote:

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 Lathe Biosas wrote:
They are really pushing those Krieg Ponies...

Kreig aren't my cup of tea, being honest, but it seems a varied box all the same. Depends if they're popular with Krieg Bronies - sorry - Kreig players.

I mean, the only other thing they were likely to put in instead was the combat eng, so I think they give it more variety. But I can see it sucking if you bought the army box. I didn't, so think this is a decent IG combat patrol especially given the demise of the old Cadian one (which was probably top 5/10 in combat patrols ever).

Oh sweet, one of my friends has wanted to get into 40k, but the only faction they’re interested in is harlequins, maybe I could get them a box.