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Crispy78 wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

 Crimson wrote:
40K scale titans seems like colossal waste of resources.

I imagine the return is pretty large for each one sold, lets face it there'll be enough... buyers.

Are there though? I think we've just established they all get bought by cuda...

In all seriousness, we know they've paid the cost of designing the models so we'll ignore that for now, I can't remember the cost of the injection moulding for plastic but a £300 plastic Warhound is in profit after 100 sold maybe? For the Warmaster it'd be the cost of building a prototype, probably via 3d printing, creating the moulds for the resin and casting it. Then sell each one at 3.5 grand a pop and be in profit after the first one.

They'll definitely sell at least one, to a nice fellow in China. That's the most obvious barrier to selling massive, premium resin kits IMO.

Last I heard of full scale is that the Warlord was pushing it with self supporting resin. Not sure how the Warbringer would work without reinforcement built in

 Crimson wrote:
40K scale titans seems like colossal waste of resources.

Think of all the Ultramarine Lieutenants they could make instead!

In theory GW could transition their big resin models to in-house 3D printed ones. They’d never sell the .stl files to anyone, but I don’t see why they wouldn’t be willing to sell a printed warmaster to the small number of people that would be willing to buy one.
Presumably GW could use ‘better’ printers than the consumer-grade ones that most people use.

Crispy78 wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

 Crimson wrote:
40K scale titans seems like colossal waste of resources.

I imagine the return is pretty large for each one sold, lets face it there'll be enough... buyers.

Are there though? I think we've just established they all get bought by cuda...

They will be bought by all the same idiots (myself included) who bought a baneblade when it came out in plastic for the novelty factor.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
Last I heard of full scale is that the Warlord was pushing it with self supporting resin. Not sure how the Warbringer would work without reinforcement built in

I believe it was at the limit of what would reasonably stay together with superglue and no pinning, which apparently was a FW requirement. I'd hope that they could relax that rule for a £3k plus kit that is designed for experienced collectors. Though guess there's always the chance that little Timmy will get one for Christmas, to accompany his 10 unpainted Ultramarines to battle!

I did set aside £3k when the epic scale one came out (though probably will need to up that estimate as it's been a few years now) but I must admit, I'd be surprised if we did get one now.

A plastic Warhound, if sensibly priced, would make for awesome terrain. I was planning to make a modular "Knight maintenance bay" terrain piece at some point, but a Warhound would be even more impressive

semajnollissor wrote:
In theory GW could transition their big resin models to in-house 3D printed ones. They’d never sell the .stl files to anyone, but I don’t see why they wouldn’t be willing to sell a printed warmaster to the small number of people that would be willing to buy one.
Presumably GW could use ‘better’ printers than the consumer-grade ones that most people use.

I read somewhere they use some laser/powder based printer that's a few leagues ahead of a liquid resin printers.

A plastic Warhound would be a great seller, but the problem I'd envisage is that then more people have them and it would skew battles.

Dudeface wrote:
I read somewhere they use some laser/powder based printer that's a few leagues ahead of a liquid resin printers.

Layer lines visible in Eavy Metal photos, and reproduced in forgeworld production models cast from 3d printed masters, put that to the lie, don't they.

 lord_blackfang wrote:

Dudeface wrote:
I read somewhere they use some laser/powder based printer that's a few leagues ahead of a liquid resin printers.

Layer lines visible in Eavy Metal photos, and reproduced in forgeworld production models cast from 3d printed masters, put that to the lie, don't they.

Not necessarily, it'd depend on their print settings and priorities.

Also there’s the idea that “different” is always the same as “better” which is hardly ever 100% correct. If they have an SLS printer instead of the more common consumer grade FDM setups then I’m sure it looked and sounded more impressive to whoever was the original source for that rumour, but that isn’t necessarily true.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
Last I heard of full scale is that the Warlord was pushing it with self supporting resin. Not sure how the Warbringer would work without reinforcement built in

Citadel™ 'EavySteel™ sold separately

It could be possible to cast resin with inbuilt stainless steel rods to help support the weight and prevent bending. Also inbuilt threaded steel inserts.

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
Last I heard of full scale is that the Warlord was pushing it with self supporting resin. Not sure how the Warbringer would work without reinforcement built in

Citadel™ 'EavySteel™ sold separately

GW will bring back pewter! Finally.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
Last I heard of full scale is that the Warlord was pushing it with self supporting resin. Not sure how the Warbringer would work without reinforcement built in

Just pose it crawling! Problem solved!

Tavis75 wrote:

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
Last I heard of full scale is that the Warlord was pushing it with self supporting resin. Not sure how the Warbringer would work without reinforcement built in

I believe it was at the limit of what would reasonably stay together with superglue and no pinning, which apparently was a FW requirement. I'd hope that they could relax that rule for a £3k plus kit that is designed for experienced collectors. Though guess there's always the chance that little Timmy will get one for Christmas, to accompany his 10 unpainted Ultramarines to battle!

I did set aside £3k when the epic scale one came out (though probably will need to up that estimate as it's been a few years now) but I must admit, I'd be surprised if we did get one now.

That also assumes it will just be a resin kit. For 3k+ I can realistically believe that GW could include some other materials that help the stability if its necessary. Be that either metal pinning rods with pre-made holes in the body or something else

 Mr_Rose wrote:
Also there’s the idea that “different” is always the same as “better” which is hardly ever 100% correct. If they have an SLS printer instead of the more common consumer grade FDM setups then I’m sure it looked and sounded more impressive to whoever was the original source for that rumour, but that isn’t necessarily true.

I think it's largely academic anyway, if they wre concerned with print lines in promotional shots, they'd remove them. They're more than capable of paying and putting in the time/effort, even if it's a touch up after the fact. They simply don't care to because it doesn't bother them as far as I can tell.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
Last I heard of full scale is that the Warlord was pushing it with self supporting resin. Not sure how the Warbringer would work without reinforcement built in

Just pose it crawling! Problem solved!

Build it with it's gun arms bursting through a building for support. Or prop it up with an oil tanker it's swinging like in Pacific Rim. so many options

 cuda1179 wrote:
It could be possible to cast resin with inbuilt stainless steel rods to help support the weight and prevent bending. Also inbuilt threaded steel inserts.

It's not. The shrinkage that occurs during curing means the resin is likely to develop cracks. The best you can do is cast it with voids, for rods to be inserted into later, but of course those voids will also suffer shrinkage so won't be a perfect fit and will require the usual degree of clean-up and filling.

Greenfield wrote:

 cuda1179 wrote:
It could be possible to cast resin with inbuilt stainless steel rods to help support the weight and prevent bending. Also inbuilt threaded steel inserts.

It's not. The shrinkage that occurs during curing means the resin is likely to develop cracks. The best you can do is cast it with voids, for rods to be inserted into later, but of course those voids will also suffer shrinkage so won't be a perfect fit and will require the usual degree of clean-up and filling.

Darn, didn't know there was that much shrinkage. I thought it would be like adding rebar to concrete. Hm... I might have to test this. I have a bunch of resin left over, and a bunch of 3mm titanium rods. Interested to see what happens.

If they are going to do the Warhound in plastic, they might be better suited doing the Dire Wolf in resin full scale instead of a warmaster. It would take over the warhound slot as small resin titan, and has a specialist big gun role that would make it stand out from the plastic warhound, plus be usable in games the size that fit a plastic warhound so would sell more than a king piece.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
If they are going to do the Warhound in plastic, they might be better suited doing the Dire Wolf in resin full scale instead of a warmaster. It would take over the warhound slot as small resin titan, and has a specialist big gun role that would make it stand out from the plastic warhound, plus be usable in games the size that fit a plastic warhound so would sell more than a king piece.

How about a resin add-on kit for the plastic Warhound? They did that originally with the Baneblade when that first came out. Heck, I think that was the only way the StormBlade was ever available aftr the plastic version was out.

The only part of the Dire Wolf and Warhound that is similar is the head.

If you look at the resin warhound, the number and size of parts combined don't look any bigger than the plastic baneblade really. The biggest parts are the carapace cowling, which would need to come in multiple pieces.

The only reason I can think they've not done it before is the cost benefit analysis, as their points are so high, it would be hard to get enough sold.

The eldar ones are even easier to make. If you did a basic sprue and none of the overly fancy cuts GW have been doing, each revenant titan is going to be about as many parts as the wraithknight, just bigger. Each leg will be 2 thigh parts, a knee join, 2 shin parts, feet etc.

The sprue layout would be pretty compact because they're all straight line cylinders that can line up alongside one another.


The bigger question for me is if GW will follow the piston design of the FW warhound or not. With each one being poseable, or whether they'll lock the design in a single position with multiple options.

Personally I love the individual pistons so you can completely control how you pose it.

Warhounds are way bigger than baneblades.

You have to consider that at 40K scales that size of model is expensive on all fronts

1) It's expensive to manufacture

2) It's expensive to buy (very)

3) It's expensive to build and paint (this is a cost in money and time/resources)

4) It's expensive to field on the tabletop in points. This means fewer games can accept one in the first place.

5) It's going to require some custom transporting option to get it too and from the game table safely.


Basically there's a lot riding on such a model. Yes we've had a LOT of big models added in plastic to the core game. Heck Tyranid heirodules are not much better than many larger Tyranid plastic models today and those heirodules were once counted as "titan" class (finally downgraded to heavysupport before GW then removed them from sale)


So we have seen the accepted size of models go up. However once you get beyond the size of a knight you are really pushing into extremes. Yes people would buy them, but not a huge number. Honestly I would consider such a project more aimed at collectors/vanity project for GW staff over one with a sound financial incentive.
That's well into the size of model that is taking up multiple design and production slots to make



Would it be cool - yes
Could GW do it - yes
However I still think it unlikely.

 Overread wrote:
Warhounds are way bigger than baneblades.

You have to consider that at 40K scales that size of model is expensive on all fronts

1) It's expensive to manufacture

2) It's expensive to buy (very)

3) It's expensive to build and paint (this is a cost in money and time/resources)

4) It's expensive to field on the tabletop in points. This means fewer games can accept one in the first place.

5) It's going to require some custom transporting option to get it too and from the game table safely.


Basically there's a lot riding on such a model. Yes we've had a LOT of big models added in plastic to the core game. Heck Tyranid heirodules are not much better than many larger Tyranid plastic models today and those heirodules were once counted as "titan" class (finally downgraded to heavysupport before GW then removed them from sale)


So we have seen the accepted size of models go up. However once you get beyond the size of a knight you are really pushing into extremes. Yes people would buy them, but not a huge number. Honestly I would consider such a project more aimed at collectors/vanity project for GW staff over one with a sound financial incentive.
That's well into the size of model that is taking up multiple design and production slots to make



Would it be cool - yes
Could GW do it - yes
However I still think it unlikely.

I bet it'd sell more kits than a plastic Fellblade.

 Hellebore wrote:
The bigger question for me is if GW will follow the piston design of the FW warhound or not. With each one being poseable, or whether they'll lock the design in a single position with multiple options.

Personally I love the individual pistons so you can completely control how you pose it.

They could presumably do it similar to the HH Knight kits, individual pistons and potentially fully posable joints, but with locating pins that put it into a default pose that need to be trimmed off if you want to repose it. Best of both worlds that way.

ccs wrote:

 Overread wrote:
Warhounds are way bigger than baneblades.

You have to consider that at 40K scales that size of model is expensive on all fronts

1) It's expensive to manufacture

2) It's expensive to buy (very)

3) It's expensive to build and paint (this is a cost in money and time/resources)

4) It's expensive to field on the tabletop in points. This means fewer games can accept one in the first place.

5) It's going to require some custom transporting option to get it too and from the game table safely.


Basically there's a lot riding on such a model. Yes we've had a LOT of big models added in plastic to the core game. Heck Tyranid heirodules are not much better than many larger Tyranid plastic models today and those heirodules were once counted as "titan" class (finally downgraded to heavysupport before GW then removed them from sale)


So we have seen the accepted size of models go up. However once you get beyond the size of a knight you are really pushing into extremes. Yes people would buy them, but not a huge number. Honestly I would consider such a project more aimed at collectors/vanity project for GW staff over one with a sound financial incentive.
That's well into the size of model that is taking up multiple design and production slots to make



Would it be cool - yes
Could GW do it - yes
However I still think it unlikely.

I bet it'd sell more kits than a plastic Fellblade.

Inclined to agree.