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 Shakalooloo wrote:

 Overread wrote:
Whilst I'm not the worlds greatest fan of "endless colours of space marines". I do feel that removing an army like that in that way would be the wrong move for fans. The time to do that was if they had just one or two models only to their name; but they've been a while standing army for a good while now. It's not like they are one or two models that can roll back into a main arm codex (like how Harliquins rolled back into Craftworld).

It happened to the Deathwatch.

A move that was so unpopular it forced GW to quickly release a free pdf of army rules for them.

There are a number of armies that I don’t think should have been fleshed out to full ones. The problem is now that they have, and there is a player base attached to them, how to deal with it? Will we see GK get the same treatment as DE? Slowly loose units and get phoned in rules? Or SoB? Ignored until a massive refresh?
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I’m glad GW moved away from “every bit has rules” 3x types of guns/units based on what kind of scope/mag you used. Marines are bloated enough without that level of detail. Save it for KT. We do not need pages upon pages of different flavors of bolters.

I'm half and half on weapons having different profiles.

On the one hand I think if a model has a different weapon in the box then that weapon should have a different profile. I'm also open with things like special weapons being limited in squads.

What we have right now with no limits and - esp in AoS - no variation - just feels bland. A spear and sword should be different and do different things.
A unit of termagaunts should have one or two special weapons chosen for a role not just all of them because there's no reason not to take them.

I do get why its happened to some units. Eg Tyranids went from having two or three jack-of-all trade units to having a LOT more unit types and eventually you do hit the issue of new models and old ones fighting for the same role in the army. So I can get why Warriors went from lots of close combat roles and types to just one flat profile if it leaves room for ravenors and other units to fill that close combat specialist slot that one or two other weapon choices on the warrior used to fill.

Sunny Side Up wrote:

Marines will get at least:
- New Interecessors (same loadout as before)

Which means, they keep / return the currently unsupported Stalker/Auto Bolt/Bolt Rifle variants?

Might be the least plausible thing about this, IMO. If they refresh Intercessors, surely they'd get rid of all the options currently on them that are effectively "legends" as rules-support goes?

well no, thats not what this meant. "Same loadout as before" in this context means that they will still be interecessors, ie. all boters, and not a modern version of a tac squad with access to special/hvy weapons like some people have been wishlisting.

For full context, watch Valrak's video. I'm just referencing (poorly) what was said. There was also talks of Mega Armoured boss for the Orks. I listed the stuff he claimed he was pretty sure was coming, there's going to be more than just what was listed..

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/zioctyhm/sunday-preview-embrace-chaos-with-new-battleforces-and-old-world-classics/

Chaos Battleforces for pre-order next week and a tease of the Eye of Terror release to be shown on Monday. That seems to lock in Adepticon for the 11th Edition announcement.

New Iron Warriors.

Kerfuffle Morrisey (not Perturabo, sadly)



Upgrade Sprue



Sprue In Situ

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/zftmsi8e/a-powerhouse-warsmith-leads-a-new-campaign-for-the-iron-warriors/

New Warsmith and an Iron Warriors upgrade kit.

Edit: Damn you Grotsnik!

It's nice to see some Chaos Legionnaires in 40k wearing HH era plate. Though slightly weird that it turns out to be on a guy who didn't fight in the Heresy but there you go.

That upgrade kit is fine. Not as good as the Night Lords one, but better than most of them, the contents are actually useful and there's not too many bare heads.

I'm personally a little glad it isn't Perturabo, doesn't mean he isn't coming though...

Warsmith is just okay personally - pose doesn't really work for me I think, but I do really like his crude, and very visable, MIU implementation!

Clearly just showing my grumpy grognard side, but why does it have to be special Warsmith Fred vs just a new generic Warsmith kit? Ugh.

Interestingly, the guy is cartoonishly chunkified in just about the same way as those AI fakes, and bears no resemblance to the new wasp waist Cataphractii.

Warsmith seems a charming man. Certainly if I was stuck on some desolate hillside, I’d hope he could fix the puncture my bicycle had suffered.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Interestingly, the guy is cartoonishly chunkified in just about the same way as those AI fakes, and bears no resemblance to the new wasp waist Cataphractii.

Good point, I hadn't really thought about that (not intending to replace my old Cataphractii, so the new ones didn't spring to mind immediately). I guess probably speaks to the silo between 40k and 30k designers perhaps...?

His armour isn't full Cataphractii, also has lots of Indomitus parts.

More of a mishmash.

That and it’s clearly a well modified suit. Which, being Cataphractii, has likely seen more than a few refurbishments over the intervening 10,000 years.

Love the warsmith and can't wait to see what that giant claw from the earlier reveal is attached to.

It's just too busy for my tastes. Beneath all of those details theres probably a good miniature.

I think it’s quite nicely restrained.

Sure, I’d want to paint the face a bit more skin toned, as it does kind of blend away into nothingness here.

But for the rest of it as a potential future painting project? It seems like a fun challenge. Nice mix of materials to give an interesting palette, without lots and lots of finneckity detail I almost certainly would not be arsed to paint properly.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I think it’s quite nicely restrained.

Sure, I’d want to paint the face a bit more skin toned, as it does kind of blend away into nothingness here.

But for the rest of it as a potential future painting project? It seems like a fun challenge. Nice mix of materials to give an interesting palette, without lots and lots of finneckity detail I almost certainly would not be arsed to paint properly.

I think it would be a good test subject for those, new toned metallic paints from Vallejo.

Got a link to those? I love a good metallic, me.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Got a link to those? I love a good metallic, me.

This thread has loads of resources...

https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/817551.page

and I was in Element games London last week and they have them already in store for sale.

 NAVARRO wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I think it’s quite nicely restrained.

Sure, I’d want to paint the face a bit more skin toned, as it does kind of blend away into nothingness here.

But for the rest of it as a potential future painting project? It seems like a fun challenge. Nice mix of materials to give an interesting palette, without lots and lots of finneckity detail I almost certainly would not be arsed to paint properly.

I think it would be a good test subject for those, new toned metallic paints from Vallejo.

I haven't tried the regular metallic ones yet, but the coloured metallic ones are flipping fantastic. Heresy players rejoice.

Warsmith looks great (really seems more like an Indomitus suit with Cataphractii shoulder pads though).

The helmeted heads from the upgrade sets will definitely also see use in Horus Heresy, since the resin Iron Warriors helmets are a bit weird and suffer from being designed as a MkVI-hybrid but without the beaks. The bare heads seem quite wonky though, they give me Masters of the Universe vibes.

Happens when you cut 80% of your face off and just use a welder to fix it.

Yeah, I like this guy a lot. He is a bit busy, but he's an Iron Warrior so at least he'll be easy to paint.

This has sealed me in for Corsairs tbh. Considering how good they've got for their stuff and the Night Lords stuff that's come out, this is pretty weak sauce.
Cool skull plate masks? No, just Mk2.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
That and it’s clearly a well modified suit. Which, being Cataphractii, has likely seen more than a few refurbishments over the intervening 10,000 years.

Keep in mind that this guy isn't 10,000 years old, so he's clearly not the first to wear it.

Also? It's Chaos. Who knows what the Warp has done to that armor?

Love that Iron Warrior. This might be the first modern 40K model I have to buy. My last one was the Tech Priest Dominus

I cant even tell if its a pathetic tactical rock or just som basing material. Either way Im not paying for a dude just standing there on the ground like its the 90s.

End of the article hints at a “biggie” yet to be revealed; Perturabo or a new Defiler?

 Jadenim wrote:
End of the article hints at a “biggie” yet to be revealed; Perturabo or a new Defiler?

I hope it's not another primarch. New defiler would be interesting.

Mind that warsmith is a really great model, really nice design.

 Piousservant wrote:

I'm personally a little glad it isn't Perturabo, doesn't mean he isn't coming though...

Warsmith is just okay personally - pose doesn't really work for me I think, but I do really like his crude, and very visable, MIU implementation!

Clearly just showing my grumpy grognard side, but why does it have to be special Warsmith Fred vs just a new generic Warsmith kit? Ugh.

Yeah, something struck me about the warsmith and I think you hit the nail on the head. His pose is just sort of meh, he's not pointing his bolter or winding up to swing, he's just sort of standing there like someone just called his name and he turned to look.

The individual elements of the model are good (though I would have liked chainmail rather than those hanging chevron-y bits of armor) but the composition of those elements together just doesn't pop.