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 MajorWesJanson wrote:
And this is the announcement for a 2 week preorder, so a month after the preview boxes. Seems fair.

After this what, a specialist games week? HH just got a release, so the custodes box is likely a bit further out. AoS just got a bunch of army books. Eye of Terror is coming up, but likely won't be back to back with this wave.

2 previews tomorrow. Rumored guard stuff? Kill Team? Surprise Necromunda? Blood bowl team?

Last week's preview article for the knight ended with "This incredible new Imperial Knights kit will be joining the battle at the same time as their Adeptus Mechanicus allies when the next narrative expansion for Warhammer 40,000 drops in. We’ve already seen loads of new miniatures, so surely it’s time to look at the books themselves?

Come back next week to find out."

Thus, it'll probably be the Eye of Terror books getting shown off. Wonder what random rules addition they'll include?

Could be the Cathay individual releases then the eye of terror stuff the week after.

For contents of rules I'd guess either campaign rules or more advanced cityfight/terrain rules.

That's a pretty big release week all told. It has been a while since I bought some 40k but an rrp of £38.50 for 5 Corsair Raiders is a very ifficult price point to swallow.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
And this is the announcement for a 2 week preorder, so a month after the preview boxes. Seems fair.

After this what, a specialist games week? HH just got a release, so the custodes box is likely a bit further out. AoS just got a bunch of army books. Eye of Terror is coming up, but likely won't be back to back with this wave.

2 previews tomorrow. Rumored guard stuff? Kill Team? Surprise Necromunda? Blood bowl team?

The rumoured Guard stuff is for the Armageddon book, and I'd be surprised if they start showing that off before they actually announce the Eye of Terror book that comes out first.

There are some more battalion boxes rumoured - an Ad Mech vehicle box was one of them. Granted that would be a very dull "reveal". Valrak did suggest the Skitarri were getting a close combat unit?

So many! I guess not much until new edition?

The Vyper is super cool but...I think I'll just get an oval base for the old one I have in progress and leave it at that. Maybe if it's part of a future CP bundle for Eldar, and the rest of the contents are ideal, then I might reconsider.

Pardon my language as I go off on one a little but sweet fething Jesus that's a shockingly expensive wave of gak.

Why are 5 chaos grey hunters nearly £40? Why are 5 jump pack guardians nearly £40? Why is the singular light skimmer so expensive? Why is the twin Lance £67??!!?!?!?

I am genuinely scared because this is at the point where as someone making decent money I can't say the idea of a new army is ever in the table again really.

The hallmarks of waht killed WHFB are there again. I know 40k is doing the best it ever has and so on, but it really does feel it's being pushed too far at last.

Tau Crisis Suits can never be reasonably priced, it seems.

Making a new army at full price from GW is not on the table for me any more, but there are more alternatives than ever, often in hard plastic and decent quality too.

And you can sometimes get stuff in discount boxes, discounted further, that make the prices somewhat palatable as long as you wanted everything in the box.

Dudeface wrote:
Pardon my language as I go off on one a little but sweet fething Jesus that's a shockingly expensive wave of gak.

Why are 5 chaos grey hunters nearly £40?

Because GW envisions these guys as Chosen, not Grey Hunters. (That and the rampant "new kit" inflation, separate from the annual announced inflation...)

Ya, I was going to get the Twin Lance, but not at $125 CAD.

Dudeface wrote:
Pardon my language as I go off on one a little but sweet fething Jesus that's a shockingly expensive wave of gak.

Why are 5 chaos grey hunters nearly £40? Why are 5 jump pack guardians nearly £40? Why is the singular light skimmer so expensive? Why is the twin Lance £67??!!?!?!?

I am genuinely scared because this is at the point where as someone making decent money I can't say the idea of a new army is ever in the table again really.

The hallmarks of waht killed WHFB are there again. I know 40k is doing the best it ever has and so on, but it really does feel it's being pushed too far at last.

£40 for 5 minis is better than £29 for ONE little Votann dude.

Yes its getting all very silly now.

 NAVARRO wrote:

Dudeface wrote:
Pardon my language as I go off on one a little but sweet fething Jesus that's a shockingly expensive wave of gak.

Why are 5 chaos grey hunters nearly £40? Why are 5 jump pack guardians nearly £40? Why is the singular light skimmer so expensive? Why is the twin Lance £67??!!?!?!?

I am genuinely scared because this is at the point where as someone making decent money I can't say the idea of a new army is ever in the table again really.

The hallmarks of waht killed WHFB are there again. I know 40k is doing the best it ever has and so on, but it really does feel it's being pushed too far at last.

£40 for 5 minis is better than £29 for ONE little Votann dude.

Yes its getting all very silly now.

Very good point. I've recently been shell-shocked with the prices more than before. I suspect the edition launch box will start reaching towards £200 and be considered "exceptional value" still.

It feels that nowadays either you need to really treasure building a box at a time and take your time, live off bundle boxes (not that I find £160 battleforces easy to swallow) or 2nd hand it.

ListenToMeWarriors wrote:
That's a pretty big release week all told. It has been a while since I bought some 40k but an rrp of £38.50 for 5 Corsair Raiders is a very ifficult price point to swallow.

Squeezing lots of stuff into the end of a financial year to up the figures? I don't follow that stuff or dates though.

 Dysartes wrote:
Do we know if this set of Combat Patrol boxes are a limited run?

If 11th ed doesn't redo the combat patrol system I'd be really surprised, I'd assume they are whilst stocks last..

 Dysartes wrote:
Do we know if this set of Combat Patrol boxes are a limited run?

The last few that weren't directly tied to a codex release have been, so I'd be on the safe side and grab one sooner rather than later if you really want one.

Dudeface wrote:
Very good point. I've recently been shell-shocked with the prices more than before. I suspect the edition launch box will start reaching towards £200 and be considered "exceptional value" still.

Depends what you get for it really.
I mean £200 but you get £400~ worth of minis (that are just expensive, versus a complete rip off) is still kind of attractive.

The Corsairs box however is insane.
Sure, £160 vs £208~ maybe is a discount.
But... its 20 infantry models, 2 characters and a small vehicle. There's no way it should be anything close to £208. "But these are new models and inflation and and and" - compare it to say the Tau combat patrol at £105.
I know the ship has sailed, but it should be 40/40/20/20/30 at a push. So £150, discount it to about £115~. Hardly cheap but might persuade me.

My concern is that if people don't buy it, the conclusion won't be "we were mad on pricing here" it will just be "people clearly don't like Xenos factions, make moar marines."

I mean, i'm still kind of surprised the big boxes haven't sold. I would have bet money on both (especially the Eldar) one of going within half an hour of launch. But they're still around.

Locally, all the attention for the boxes has been on the Red Corsairs, so sadly, pushing the GW conclusion of Marines>Xenos.

It's also something really hard for us to judge because we never know the actual sales just the representation on shelves. We don't know if GW overproduced one over the other; or if its just a regional thing we are seeing etc...

It's also a catch 22 because if the boxes DO sell out we complain that "GW didn't make enough" meanwhile we are conditioned that if they aren't sold out super-fast "The army isn't selling its the end times".


Also lets not forget that the rate of models going from box to individual listings has sped up a LOT. It's not like 7 or so years ago where a model would appear in a boxed set and then not appear on its own for sometimes over a year.

So some people who maybe just want new vypers and not the rest are possibly just saving and waiting.



It's also the post-christmas period leading into the year getting slowly warmer for most of us. This basically goes had in hand with sales reducing into the summer. Which is why GW likes to throw their new edition launches then as it gives them a huge marketing and sales boost

Tyel: To be fair, people DO pay those sorts of prices for Marine boxes so it still proves the point. There seem to be more people willing to pay ridiculous prices for Marines than other factions. The Marine boxes always sell out super fast.

Xenos fans are just a much smaller percentage of the fanbase so there are fewer total people willing to pay the ridiculous prices so stuff doesn't sell out.

And I say that as a massive Xenos fan myself, it's sadly reality.

We are probably also entering the time of "wait and see" what the new edition brings. So, apart from expanding your current armies, I dont see why would you invest in a new army at this point.

New Valrak video -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pn4GYpDIx5c

Not much new tbh, but says -

- Objectives in 11th will be based around a piece of terrain like a wrecked tank.
- Codexes are being rolled over.
- Ork Meganobz are getting a new kit but it will be a Kill Team rather than released with the new Codex.

No doubt if the first bullet point is true it will because there is a box set of wrecked tanks GW would like to sell you, ala Endless Spells for AOS.

Would be nice if 40k moved away from standing in circles and pushing buttons, but considering the studio recruits entirely from and caters to the vocal minority of tournament tryhards at this point, I don't see it happening.

Eye of Terror – The Reign of Iron Begins

a new set of rules brings classic large-scale Apocalypse games back to Warhammer 40,000 with a system of modular guidelines and adjustments that make it a breeze to run battles of epic proportions. These Apocalypse rules add all sorts of ways to streamline games and account for significantly larger army sizes, with sections designed to be added or removed depending on how you like to play.

new Detachments for Chaos Space Marines, Space Marines, Chaos Knights, Imperial Knights, and the Adeptus Mechanicus, with options for running armies full of Vashtorr’s daemon engines, Freeblade mercenary Knights, cohorts of murderous Skitarii, and more. They’re the perfect way to include Thulia Ghuld, the Knight Destrier, and many more recently revealed miniatures in your armies, or to give your existing armies a new spin based around the conflicts of the book.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Would be nice if 40k moved away from standing in circles and pushing buttons, but considering the studio recruits entirely from and caters to the vocal minority of tournament tryhards at this point, I don't see it happening.

The thing is you can homebrew changes to make a tournament game a narrative game pretty easily because you don't have to have things balanced, its really hard to go the other way. A tournament games mandates a rigid ruleset and tournament players are very reliable sorts for maintaining community play, which is important for recruitment and making the game seem alive and viable.

HidaO-Win wrote:

The thing is you can homebrew changes to make a tournament game a narrative game pretty easily because you don't have to have things balanced, its really hard to go the other way. A tournament games mandates a rigid ruleset and tournament players are very reliable sorts for maintaining community play, which is important for recruitment and making the game seem alive and viable.

I'm not sure how forcing cookie cutter meta spam lists that look nothing like the lore or imagery, fugly mdf ruin corners that look nothing like the lore or imagery, and boring ass missions that look nothing like the lore or imagery on everyone, while actively hiding that any other mode of play exists, is in any way good for recruitment

Wow new Apocalypse rules. That's very interesting considering that basically died a death. Looking forward to seeing what it looks like and how it plays.

 Olthannon wrote:
Wow new Apocalypse rules. That's very interesting considering that basically died a death. Looking forward to seeing what it looks like and how it plays.

It’s an end of edition “new way to play” I’ve got very low expectations. I hope they are cool, and keep getting support. But I suspect they are going to be a quick blip and then forgotten.

This is what the 4th time we’ve had apoc rules?

 Nevelon wrote:
This is what the 4th time we’ve had apoc rules?

Yes - 2007, 2013 & 2019 (I could have sworn the last one was only a couple of years ago...).

beast_gts wrote:

 Nevelon wrote:
This is what the 4th time we’ve had apoc rules?

Yes - 2007, 2013 & 2019 (I could have sworn the last one was only a couple of years ago...).

With 2007 being a cool steamlined way to play 40k
2013 a deranged version that added detail to 40k and played slower instead of faster
2019 a different game entirely using 40k models to play something more like Epic

Sounds like they're going back to the 2007 design ethos, so could be nice.