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chaos0xomega wrote:
I cant believe people still fall for this crap. Its marketing/manufactured demand. They get people worked up about something (ie how dare they take our Steel Legion away), suddenly a bunch of people who had no opinion over it become passionate on the topic, then a couple years later surprise heres the thing you all want.

Now instead of selling steel legion minis to all 5 people that care enough to buy them on release day, theres thousands frothing at the mouth for them because it was taken from them before and they are going to make sure they dont miss out on them this time lest they be taken away again.

This, put plainly, is a conspiracy theory.

chaos0xomega wrote:
I cant believe people still fall for this crap. Its marketing/manufactured demand. They get people worked up about something (ie how dare they take our Steel Legion away), suddenly a bunch of people who had no opinion over it become passionate on the topic, then a couple years later surprise heres the thing you all want.

Now instead of selling steel legion minis to all 5 people that care enough to buy them on release day, theres thousands frothing at the mouth for them because it was taken from them before and they are going to make sure they dont miss out on them this time lest they be taken away again.

Is there a precedent for that?

 BertBert wrote:
Is there a precedent for that?

Funnily enough the precedent is the Krieg:

They go on wide release via Forgeworld, anyone can get them, but not many people do because they're super expensive (to the point where people were cutting up the inserts made for the Gorgon transport to try and get more minis). They're a novelty regiment, not really that popular.

Then they get removed from sale, people are annoyed, but it's not a huge deal

Then after several years the Kill Team comes out and people absolutely lose their minds, people who barely paid any attention to the Death Korps before are swearing blind that they will buy a whole regiment's worth of kill teams to fuel their newly discovered loooove of them, no doubt fuelled by a thousand youtube channels spouting shovel memes

so GW see this enthusiasm and release them as a full plastic regiment, only the third they've ever made.

- Make product available, moderate sales
- Remove product from sale for years
- Make a limited release to spark interest
- Full release to capitalise on renewed interest

 Lathe Biosas wrote:
Wait, aren't Elves on Dinos a fantasy thing?

I doubt GW would ever mix fantasy and 40k elements together.

Years and years ago, there was a Golden Demon entry with Eldar on a dinosaur. Predominantly scratch built, one of the Eldar was pregnant. It was a nice diorama piece.

 Nevelon wrote:
Trick question. They will show up together is a versus box.

I’d buy it…

Actually, that would be a perfect match-up.

 Gert wrote:
Spies all of you! I demand to know which agency you work for!

The Browneye Agency.

The one for the dirtiest of secrets.

 RaptorusRex wrote:

This, put plainly, is a conspiracy theory.

I'm also willing to bet that a fair proportion of the people being riled up here wouldn't buy it anyway.

Even if out of nowhere GW announced a surprise Steel Legion kill team next week, all you'd see is a bunch of fresh complaints & excuses.They're in a FOMO box, or the kit contains female options, or it's too late and they already 3D printed their own Steel Legion army. Outrage is the goal for too many.

Charax wrote:

 BertBert wrote:
Is there a precedent for that?

Funnily enough the precedent is the Krieg:

They go on wide release via Forgeworld, anyone can get them, but not many people do because they're super expensive (to the point where people were cutting up the inserts made for the Gorgon transport to try and get more minis). They're a novelty regiment, not really that popular.

Then they get removed from sale, people are annoyed, but it's not a huge deal

Then after several years the Kill Team comes out and people absolutely lose their minds, people who barely paid any attention to the Death Korps before are swearing blind that they will buy a whole regiment's worth of kill teams to fuel their newly discovered loooove of them, no doubt fuelled by a thousand youtube channels spouting shovel memes

But... this isn't what happened with the Krieg. The Elysians were removed from sale by FW, but the Krieg were literally available until about a month after the plastic Kill Team unit shipped. There was a few months without Death Riders, but it was pretty obvious they were coming in plastic at that point so nobody stressed out about it.

 The Phazer wrote:

Charax wrote:

 BertBert wrote:
Is there a precedent for that?

Funnily enough the precedent is the Krieg:

They go on wide release via Forgeworld, anyone can get them, but not many people do because they're super expensive (to the point where people were cutting up the inserts made for the Gorgon transport to try and get more minis). They're a novelty regiment, not really that popular.

Then they get removed from sale, people are annoyed, but it's not a huge deal

Then after several years the Kill Team comes out and people absolutely lose their minds, people who barely paid any attention to the Death Korps before are swearing blind that they will buy a whole regiment's worth of kill teams to fuel their newly discovered loooove of them, no doubt fuelled by a thousand youtube channels spouting shovel memes

But... this isn't what happened with the Krieg. The Elysians were removed from sale by FW, but the Krieg were literally available until about a month after the plastic Kill Team unit shipped. There was a few months without Death Riders, but it was pretty obvious they were coming in plastic at that point so nobody stressed out about it.

The whole thing feels very reductionist whataboutism to manufacture this week/months e-drama and reason to be angry at GW. I don't really understand or know why theres such an outcry over this. It aucks for all 10 steel legion fans that your regiment is now decimated to the point t it exists only on armageddon so tou can continue using your forces and converting new stuff whilst having an in universe reason they dont need a bespoke unit in the codex (which everyone complained about anyway).

Dudeface wrote:
The whole thing feels very reductionist whataboutism to manufacture this week/months e-drama and reason to be angry at GW. I don't really understand or know why theres such an outcry over this. It aucks for all 10 steel legion fans that your regiment is now decimated to the point t it exists only on armageddon so tou can continue using your forces and converting new stuff whilst having an in universe reason they dont need a bespoke unit in the codex (which everyone complained about anyway).

What a wonderful solution. Somehow Yarrick returned, because the latest plot repetition is Armageddon again, but all of the Steel Legion were killed, so they get replaced by Cadians who totally haven't been decimated at all, and Death Korps because gas masks.

We're just watching the degradation of the background in real time.

And nobody has mentioned the daemon invasion yet...

 Gert wrote:
Spies all of you! I demand to know which agency you work for!

Do Reptilians count?

Dudeface wrote:
The whole thing feels very reductionist whataboutism to manufacture this week/months e-drama and reason to be angry at GW. I don't really understand or know why theres such an outcry over this. It aucks for all 10 steel legion fans that your regiment is now decimated to the point t it exists only on armageddon so tou can continue using your forces and converting new stuff whilst having an in universe reason they dont need a bespoke unit in the codex (which everyone complained about anyway).

I mean, an upgrade sprue for the Cadians with some gas mask heads and a banner/missile launcher and grenade launcher would have been cool and probably fit on a half size sprue even, but I think people who want Mordians etc would have been pretty upset if GW had given any potential slot for a third guard regiment to one that is basically a combination of the two existing ones.

 Lord Damocles wrote:
And nobody has mentioned the daemon invasion yet...

I'm guessing it's because the iconic conflict on Armageddon is Guard vs. Orks, and also Angron is the most boring antagonist. The best parts of his involvement in the Arks of Omen books were his thoughts about wanting to die, but Khorne keeps making him go on.

 Lord Damocles wrote:

And nobody has mentioned the daemon invasion yet...

Give it time, I'm sure they'll work a GK range reboot into this

One can only hope

 Lathe Biosas wrote:
So, Exodites or Catachan refresh... which comes first?

As an army? Catachans.

You might, someday, get an Exodite Kill Team. Or they'll make a lone Exodite based off of some Black Library character - and dump it straight to Legends.


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Charax wrote:

 BertBert wrote:
Is there a precedent for that?

Funnily enough the precedent is the Krieg:

They go on wide release via Forgeworld, anyone can get them, but not many people do because they're super expensive (to the point where people were cutting up the inserts made for the Gorgon transport to try and get more minis). They're a novelty regiment, not really that popular.

Then they get removed from sale, people are annoyed, but it's not a huge deal

Then after several years the Kill Team comes out and people absolutely lose their minds, people who barely paid any attention to the Death Korps before are swearing blind that they will buy a whole regiment's worth of kill teams to fuel their newly discovered loooove of them, no doubt fuelled by a thousand youtube channels spouting shovel memes

so GW see this enthusiasm and release them as a full plastic regiment, only the third they've ever made.

- Make product available, moderate sales
- Remove product from sale for years
- Make a limited release to spark interest
- Full release to capitalise on renewed interest

The really funny part is that as expensive as FW Krieg always were? Building them in plastic is now equal to or even more expensive thanks to recent price hikes.
I'd have been slightly better off had I built Krieg years ago.

 The Phazer wrote:

Dudeface wrote:
The whole thing feels very reductionist whataboutism to manufacture this week/months e-drama and reason to be angry at GW. I don't really understand or know why theres such an outcry over this. It aucks for all 10 steel legion fans that your regiment is now decimated to the point t it exists only on armageddon so tou can continue using your forces and converting new stuff whilst having an in universe reason they dont need a bespoke unit in the codex (which everyone complained about anyway).

I mean, an upgrade sprue for the Cadians with some gas mask heads and a banner/missile launcher and grenade launcher would have been cool and probably fit on a half size sprue even, but I think people who want Mordians etc would have been pretty upset if GW had given any potential slot for a third guard regiment to one that is basically a combination of the two existing ones.

That's essentially the point. I arent sure when people just let creativity die and blamed GW for it.

There isn't need for a dedicated kit for everything, to the point a group of the community get angry at conversions not being supported.

To add to that, the regiment exists historically. Have a game set in m39 if you need an excuse for your steel legion playing against tau, enjoy the setting with minimal imagination required.

But no, unless it's all sign, sealed and delivered with a monopose box, people have to be angry about something theyve never used or seen going away as a possible plastic kit.

Pretty sure the obligatory WGA reference has already been name-dropped, but just to be on the obnoxious/safe side:

Whoever wants plastic Steel Legion, plastic Vostroyans, plastic Praetorians or plastic Mordians, has an affordable alternative available.

Personally, should GW ever decide to do a 4th plastic Guard regiment, I'd prefer a more esoteric choice like the Vostroyans, Tanith, Tallarns or Arkan Confederates over the more generic WW2-inspired ones.

 Esmer wrote:
Pretty sure the obligatory WGA reference has already been name-dropped, but just to be on the obnoxious/safe side:

Whoever wants plastic Steel Legion, plastic Vostroyans, plastic Praetorians or plastic Mordians, has an affordable alternative available.

Personally, should GW ever decide to do a 4th plastic Guard regiment, I'd prefer a more esoteric choice like the Vostroyans, Tanith, Tallarns or Arkan Confederates over the more generic WW2-inspired ones.

As a long-term Catachan player, WGA and their Space Nam line are the sole reason I'm content with Catachans at the moment. They just look right, are compatible with actual Catachan bits, and are CHEAP.

GW is going to have their hands full trying to outdo that kit in quality, let alone the price per model.

ccs wrote:

 Lathe Biosas wrote:
So, Exodites or Catachan refresh... which comes first?

As an army? Catachans.

You might, someday, get an Exodite Kill Team. Or they'll make a lone Exodite based off of some Black Library character - and dump it straight to Legends.

This seems rather overconfident considering we've had the return of Genestealer Cults, Squats and Eldar Corsairs over the last decade or so…

Greenfield wrote:
This seems rather overconfident considering we've had the return of Genestealer Cults, Squats and Eldar Corsairs over the last decade or so…

Well, those were actual returns for Squats and Cults. I don't recall Corsairs having "these are Corsairs specifically" miniature line, but you could argue the early Eldar were all Corsair models.

Exodites never really had a physical presence we could be returning to. I think their only list was something from Citadel Journal? They'd effectively be a whole new faction.