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I refuse to have hope until I hold a dinosaur with lasers in my hands

Must admit that im surprised that they havent released Exodites yet, considering the succes of the avatar movies

Lizardmen are also a popular force and GW draws from the 80s a lot for inspiration and dinosaurs and lasers is VERY 70-90s scifi appropriate

Exodites are just a smidge below Custodes on the "how stupid it would be for this fringe element of the setting to get a codex" scale.

They're all but confirmed, I guess.

The Pan Fo Will Not Be Denied!!!


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Are the Pirate armies not coming out?

I thought that The Maelstrom was supposed to usher in the Pirate Wars.

Pirate Armies were supposed to mean mix and mash forces combining races, and factions.

A song as the Exodites also get a proper full sized Knight (maybe even a Bright Stallion) then I’m good.

 His Master's Voice wrote:
Exodites are just a smidge below Custodes on the "how stupid it would be for this fringe element of the setting to get a codex" scale.

They're all but confirmed, I guess.

I mean not that daft. Exodites have multiple planets on the fringe of the Galaxy. They are basically in the same spot as Tau in that they are in a region the Imperium has little control over. A short bit of them gearing up for war; shifting from hiding to active engagement and so forth. Heck the Yinnari storyline leads into this really well as that whole angle is basically younger Eldar pushing for a restoration of their glory instead of hiding away.


Custodes are more niche as they are a super elite tiny force activly prevented in lore from growing their already tiny numbers (at the galactic scale).

 Overread wrote:

 His Master's Voice wrote:
Exodites are just a smidge below Custodes on the "how stupid it would be for this fringe element of the setting to get a codex" scale.

They're all but confirmed, I guess.

I mean not that daft. Exodites have multiple planets on the fringe of the Galaxy. They are basically in the same spot as Tau in that they are in a region the Imperium has little control over. A short bit of them gearing up for war; shifting from hiding to active engagement and so forth. Heck the Yinnari storyline leads into this really well as that whole angle is basically younger Eldar pushing for a restoration of their glory instead of hiding away.


Custodes are more niche as they are a super elite tiny force activly prevented in lore from growing their already tiny numbers (at the galactic scale).

To add to this: Exodites are also part of the Eldar webway system. If they want to go to war halfway across the galaxy, they can. And if they want to go someplace there is not a convenient gate, are part of a larger faction and could hitch a ride with a craftworld/corsair fleet. It’s far easier to write them into the narrative then Tau, who are small, localized, and limited by crappy FTL tech.

Yeah getting Exodites into battle isn't a problem and the lore advancing to a faction of them going on the offensive is super easy to cover. Or even do it the other way around.

The Imperium decides to setup boarder staging sites to protect against more Tyranid Hive Fleets and thus starts focusing on the Rim; starts attacking Exodites worlds and before you know if you've got a major war going on over them.

Chaos comes for some Fun; a Necron Tomb World wakes up; a Hive Fleet does appear; Orks are about for a good scrap; other Eldar heed the call and come to aid; Tau have another happy accident etc...

 Overread wrote:


I mean not that daft. Exodites have multiple planets on the fringe of the Galaxy.

Yeah, and they live on those planets and don't want to leave. That's their whole thing, and they should be left to it.

At least until DE get a refresh, that is.

Background can be adjusted for them be always out to fight

But in general, if the Palace Guard that is low in numbers and supposed to be on Earth only, can become a playable faction with its own book

Really anything can become its own new faction.
Like the last 100 survives of an extinct species from the great crusade that just woke up from stasis would be a perfectly fine 40k faction with its own book and not any different to Custodes

If/when custodes appear in LI it will be amusing to think there will be people who will have collections larger than the actual lore number of Custodes

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/lg5kfaxf/eye-of-terror-new-rules-for-defilers-mutilators-and-kravek-morne/

Shiny new rules for Iron Warriors lad, Mutilators and Defiler.

No idea how they compare to previous.


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Also legion/god specific boons for Defilers. Which is…nice? Again, dunno if they’re any cop.

I don't think the legion specific boons are new though, I think the Deathguard and World Eater ones did that before.

I can confirm the WE special rule is the same as in the current Codex. I expect the WE Defiler to also have BS4+ and Rapid Fire to pretty much all of its ranged weapons.

It would still be incredibly nasty, especially given its melee profiles. That thing is quite nasty !

 Tastyfish wrote:
I don't think the legion specific boons are new though, I think the Deathguard and World Eater ones did that before.

Emperor's Children didn't have any access to the Defiler at all, so the whole thing is new to them.

 Overread wrote:



Custodes are more niche as they are a super elite tiny force activly prevented in lore from growing their already tiny numbers (at the galactic scale).

Are Custodes really that bad though? There are supposed to be 10,000 of them. Isn't that 10 times the size of any specific Marine chapter? We don't hear complaints about Grey Knights or Blood Angel chapters.

 cuda1179 wrote:
We don't hear complaints about Grey Knights or Blood Angel chapters.

There absolutely ARE complaints about them.

 Shakalooloo wrote:

 Tastyfish wrote:
I don't think the legion specific boons are new though, I think the Deathguard and World Eater ones did that before.

Emperor's Children didn't have any access to the Defiler at all, so the whole thing is new to them.

Well, they did, before the option was removed...

Back in the day when we got previews like this, or really good leaks, I used to shake out my bits box, find the old model on ebay ( often discounted) and make it in the new weapons configurations. It used to piss this one guy off, which made me want to do it more. Same guy mashed his teeth when I walked into the store with a WWI tank converted into a Landraider about 5 days after it happened in an episode of Turn Signals on a Land Raider.

What are people’s thoughts on the Mutilator rules? I appreciate it might be difficult given we don’t know points.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
What are people’s thoughts on the Mutilator rules? I appreciate it might be difficult given we don’t know points.

They should have more attacks, methinks.

Not an expert, but I thought they looked quite hitty, Spesh when you factor in the MW on the charge. Not seeing a limit on what they can rugby tackle?

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Not an expert, but I thought they looked quite hitty, Spesh when you factor in the MW on the charge. Not seeing a limit on what they can rugby tackle?

They have 6 WS 3+ sweep attacks. That's only three dead GEQ per Mutilator, or not even one dead MEQ.
4 WS 3+ strike attacks. Two dead MEQ or close to one dead TEQ.
2 WS 3+ smash attacks. A little shy of one damage roll against a T7 to T11 3+ Profile (like a Knight), and barely over half a damage roll against a Land Raider per Mutilator.

I'd probably make it 9/6/3 attacks.
Obviously if well-priced, they'll be good even with 6/4/2 attacks, but I'd like to see them a bit deadlier, especially compared to their shooty counterparts.

Any help from Codex Based buffs? Like +1 to hit or owt?

Wholly depending on price, but they look plenty strong as it is. With their pacts up, they will do 11.5 damage to a Rogal Dorn (which is a tough target). They are slower than Exalted Eightbound but vastly tougher, and their speed is most likely going to be mitigated with Rapid Ingress.

Compare them to Assault Centurions. Mutilators are not at all weak.

 Overread wrote:
I refuse to have hope until I hold a dinosaur with lasers in my hands

Exactly!

Between Dark Pacts and likely having a shiny babysitter egging them on, they're probably going to wreck quite a bit.

 cuda1179 wrote:
Back in the day when we got previews like this, or really good leaks, I used to shake out my bits box, find the old model on ebay ( often discounted) and make it in the new weapons configurations. It used to piss this one guy off, which made me want to do it more. Same guy mashed his teeth when I walked into the store with a WWI tank converted into a Landraider about 5 days after it happened in an episode of Turn Signals on a Land Raider.

Proper!

 JNAProductions wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
What are people’s thoughts on the Mutilator rules? I appreciate it might be difficult given we don’t know points.

They should have more attacks, methinks.

I think they have exactly the right amount, and giving them more is an example of what's wrong with modern 40k. I hope we see more units in this kind of range in 11th, rather than 3 guys dishing out almost 30 attacks between them. They've got a pretty small Rapid Ingress footprint and the re-roll charges with a 5" move should get them the charge into a target a decent amount of the time from RI.