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So two old model sets and cardboard terrain. It's like being back in the 90's again.

Huh.. okay.

Well, do want, as both teams have some great models in there, especially the loyalists, most of them nicely fulfil the classes of Space Marine 2 ops.

 Dysartes wrote:
Is the guy with the flies the alt Plaguecaster that was in the paintset?

Yes.

That model was selling for more than the cost of this entire set no so long ago... (though it was included in the second run of the SMH vol 3 set, so it's value had gone down a lot).

Didn't take long for that rumour to get confirmed huh?

Dear God, please let this foray into MDF terrain end quickly.

MDF Terrain, and previously Blind Boxed models, at £7 per model if memory serves.

Free team rules? So-op? Mdf terrain?

This is quite a turn around for GW. Not into Nurgle at all( absolutely revolting! ) but if the starter set price is good then KT will definitely be back with a vengence.

Never mind

I hope this means cool, dedicated rules for Plague Marines. I love my KT Death Guard but it would be nice to play them as proper Plague Marines not just Legionaries with a Mark of Nurgle.

Cyel wrote:
I hope this means cool, dedicated rules for Plague Marines. I love my KT Death Guard but it would be nice to play them as proper Plague Marines not just Legionaries with a Mark of Nurgle.

The article confirms it does.

I quite like this. It's the sort of box that would previously have got some cardboard terrain in it, or just terrain printed on the board. I see it as an upgrade to that rather than a downgrade from plastic.

Well GW's unwillingness to do anything but plastic terrain costed at around $1,000 to adequately cover a 6'x4' table did allow a robust MDF terrain market to grow. That's money they're missing out on.

beast_gts wrote:
Kill Team Starter Set – Space Marines vs Plague Marines

Oh dear, that set might get me back in. Not so much for the smurfs*, but for the Plague Marines. Have to see the price first ...

*My favorite color is blue, but since the Ultramarines are the poster boys I'm just tired of seeing them ALL the time.

Looks pretty inferior to the previous Octarius themed starter box.

Yet more evidence that you're a mug if you buy blind boxes.

 Lord Damocles wrote:
Yet more evidence that you're a mug if you buy blind boxes.

Well, on the first iterations of the Deathguard if you got the full set you would be guaranteed all of the sculpts. Nothing blind about that.

This KT starter set feels out of place and inferior to the previous set. The MDF looks awfull.

Will be interesting to see the price point. I’d settle for cardboard and MDF over plastic makers and terrain if it comes with a significant cost cut.

Was interested in those marines, but never sought them out. Not so much for DG. But that’s a person thing, no slight against tthem.

It's the nurglings that the people want, not the Plague Marines that serve as their tactical rocks!

Come to think of it, this feels like they've come full circle( price still pending ) with First Strike and KT'18. For £50 you were up and running with an introductionary game of Kill Team...

deano2099 wrote:

Cyel wrote:
I hope this means cool, dedicated rules for Plague Marines.

The article confirms it does.

The article confirms rules will be cool? How so? I'm not that sure. Because, for example, Compendium Death Guard were pretty crippled by their 4" movement, even if the rest of their rules were fine and thematic.

Compendium teams were a far cry from the bespoke teams of KT21 though. Their rules were lot more streamlined, though they did have more relaxed model options most of the time..

I never thought of seeing GW making MDF terrain. What's next, mousepad gaming mats? :O

 stahly wrote:
I never thought of seeing GW making MDF terrain. What's next, mousepad gaming mats? :O

Not sure if you're being facetious, GW did sell a couple of neoprene mats around the time of AoS 1.0

Looks like they're trying to maximise the pushfit for a starter for lowest bar for engagement.

The mdf is specifically described as slot together and pull apart, and it's already 'painted' so it's finished and just needs to be slotted together to use.

It's more of a boardgame starter than a wargame starter.

Assuming the price is right, the KT starter box looks like a great product that I'm surprised is getting so much hate. I hope the two teams still come in colored plastic because with push-fit minis and push-fit pre-colored MDF terrain, that would make this one of the quickest unbox-to-gaming boxes GW has made. I already have all the minis from the original releases, but I'd love to have a set or two of the terrain.

According to the person who first shared the news the starter set will be the same price as the warcry one which is £67.50. It is probably the next thing up for pre-order after the legions Imperialis stuff.

As some will no doubt remember, the MDF terrain was a Valrak rumour in late February:
https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/750/812013.page#11644024

Would love to see Irbis' take on this, and how it fits into the "Valrak only predicts inevitable obvious things" theory.

Shout out to everyone else in that thread whose imaginations were too small to encompass "GW tries MDF terrain". I wouldn't be surprised if the box bombs and they never try it again, but hey, it exists! GW took their weird shot!

 Altruizine wrote:
As some will no doubt remember, the MDF terrain was a Valrak rumour in late February:
https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/750/812013.page#11644024

Would love to see Irbis' take on this, and how it fits into the "Valrak only predicts inevitable obvious things" theory.

Shout out to everyone else in that thread whose imaginations were too small to encompass "GW tries MDF terrain". I wouldn't be surprised if the box bombs and they never try it again, but hey, it exists! GW took their weird shot!

I'd much rather they keep the plastic terrain they make in stock than mess around with MDF

Seems to me that they've released this after Space Marine 2 as a potential way in for anyone vaguely interested in picking up the tabletop game.

I agree with the people saying the price point on this set will see it so well, or not.

Reading the text it really is designed for newcomers which most Dakka users are not lol. Meaning for those upset about MDF terrain really shouldn't be as it's not really aimed at those people. Most veterans would have some plastic terrain already, especially if they've been playing Kill team before.

Quote from WC:
"But for those just starting down the path of Kill Team, there's a Starter Set coming to teach you .....14 push-fit miniatures in two teams .....
designed to be easy for newcomers to play .....
The new 64-page introductory rulebook is designed from the ground up to guide new players through their first few missions, starting simple and adding new concepts as it goes along until a final climactic confrontation puts all of the commanders’ new knowledge to the test. New builders can follow clear construction guides .....
Finally, the booklet caps off with a few advanced rules and extra mission conditions to showcase a little of the full Kill Team experience."

Sounds almost like a lite version to get newbies up and running. Wonder if people who play this will want to go into more of the full experience.

As I personally haven't played this version of Kill Team I'm interested. I don't even mind the MDF terrain, article says it's designed to fold flat again after too so it sounds transportable. Whether it lasts or not who knows yet but I have some plastic terrain so I'm not really worried. I know I'm not really the intended audience but I think the teams look good.

Thing is whether I buy in or not is the price but only because there's so many other miniature games I'm interested in. Sadly I can't collect them all lol.

lost_lilliputian wrote:
I agree with the people saying the price point on this set will see it so well, or not.

Reading the text it really is designed for newcomers which most Dakka users are not lol. Meaning for those upset about MDF terrain really shouldn't be as it's not really aimed at those people. Most veterans would have some plastic terrain already, especially if they've been playing Kill team before.

Quote from WC:
"But for those just starting down the path of Kill Team, there's a Starter Set coming to teach you .....14 push-fit miniatures in two teams .....
designed to be easy for newcomers to play .....
The new 64-page introductory rulebook is designed from the ground up to guide new players through their first few missions, starting simple and adding new concepts as it goes along until a final climactic confrontation puts all of the commanders’ new knowledge to the test. New builders can follow clear construction guides .....
Finally, the booklet caps off with a few advanced rules and extra mission conditions to showcase a little of the full Kill Team experience."

Sounds almost like a lite version to get newbies up and running. Wonder if people who play this will want to go into more of the full experience.

As I personally haven't played this version of Kill Team I'm interested. I don't even mind the MDF terrain, article says it's designed to fold flat again after too so it sounds transportable. Whether it lasts or not who knows yet but I have some plastic terrain so I'm not really worried. I know I'm not really the intended audience but I think the teams look good.

Thing is whether I buy in or not is the price but only because there's so many other miniature games I'm interested in. Sadly I can't collect them all lol.

They're kind of getting under my skin with kill team. It's likely a me problem, but I thought we'd get free rules period (I know this is a misunderstanding), I didn't want to buy the big box, I don't really want to but a £37.50 rulebook + accessories kit + a kill team to play solo/coop, which was the plan, so I waited for the normal starter set. Except that doesn't have those rules in either, so they've largely lost my custom for this I think.

If you really, really want rules on paper that will be out of date before 2025 properly starts you may always find the rulebook from Hivestorm sold separately on any internet auction site of your choice. For example my preferred site has those at about (the equivalent of) 17£.

Or you may wait a bit until the rules get properly transferred into an updateable, searchable, hyperlinked digital format (which is what GW app should have) by some helpful third party.

And no, it's not a misunderstanding. Free core rules were expected to be available in the app based on how GW announced it.