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Reboxed with the tokens in with them.

 Waaagh_Gonads wrote:
Are the new boxes for kill team re-badging of old boxes or they were not available before?

I just noticed the old kasrkin box was updated to the new style but is not in the list on warhammer community.... I buy them for my IG army, not for Kill team.

As Shooter said, these are existing teams being reboxed with the tokens (and a price rise). This is the third wave of these reboxings for the new edition, Kasrkin were in the 2nd.

I was thinking on starting KT with this new edition.

But, question: are gangs customizable Mordheim style?

Prices for this week:
Brutal and Cunning is 110€ which is 5€ cheaper than Termination and the same price as Salvation so not bad as I would say the included terrain is better than the other two sets.
The Volkus terrain is 105€ on its own compared to 180€ included in the Hivestorm box so while obviously less value its not too bad if you have absolutely no use for anything else from Hivestorm.

Decent value (in GW land at least) on Brutal & Cunning given it's 100% new sculpts for everything this time.

Terrain box stings a bit, but the price increase is consistent with new starter set price to maintain the "discount level" of starters.

Is that £80? That does seem a pretty good price

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Decent value (in GW land at least) on Brutal & Cunning given it's 100% new sculpts for everything this time.

Terrain box stings a bit, but the price increase is consistent with new starter set price to maintain the "discount level" of starters.

Yeah, but how many non Youtubers will actually be able to order it this time?

 Waaagh_Gonads wrote:
Are the new boxes for kill team re-badging of old boxes or they were not available before?

I just noticed the old kasrkin box was updated to the new style but is not in the list on warhammer community.... I buy them for my IG army, not for Kill team.

It depends. The Vespids and the Tempestus Aquilons were first only in the Hivestorm launch box and are now available separately. The rest have been rebadged with the inevitable price increase.

SU-152 wrote:
I was thinking on starting KT with this new edition.

But, question: are gangs customizable Mordheim style?

Not really. You choose which dudes you have in your team (with fixed loadouts) rather than what your dudes are equipped with.


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 Shooter wrote:
Is that £80? That does seem a pretty good price

Twice the price of an individual team, so that's the terrain and data cards thrown in for free.

Which makes it even weirder than the Hivestorm set didn't have datacards.

Could just be that they couldn't make the publication deadlines for the Hivestorm cards.

 solkan wrote:
Could just be that they couldn't make the publication deadlines for the Hivestorm cards.

I do wonder if that was the case and then they threw in the Approved Ops pack instead (which seemed like an odd inclusion at the time)

New coop mission for Titus and his lads...

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/njsqma2x/take-on-tyranids-with-lieutenant-titus-and-add-a-free-miniature-and-coin-to-your-collection/

Here comes my review and unboxing of Kill Team: Brutal and Cunning, inc. high-res sprue images, a breakdown of all assembly options, and a look into the expansion book: https://taleofpainters.com/2024/12/review-kill-team-brutal-and-cunning/

 stahly wrote:
Here comes my review and unboxing of Kill Team: Brutal and Cunning, inc. high-res sprue images, a breakdown of all assembly options, and a look into the expansion book: https://taleofpainters.com/2024/12/review-kill-team-brutal-and-cunning/

A review already? After how many games with those teams?

 stahly wrote:
Here comes my review and unboxing of Kill Team: Brutal and Cunning, inc. high-res sprue images, a breakdown of all assembly options, and a look into the expansion book: https://taleofpainters.com/2024/12/review-kill-team-brutal-and-cunning/

Cheers, I feel better about preordering knowing the kits are so modular

Still not sold out on uk gw site, maybe the worst of the supply issues are behind them. The previous kt boxes were gone in seconds.

First season undoubtedly gets the best support for any given edition.

I didnt want to buy the box, but getting only the book and terrain ended up costing more from ebay than the whole box from my LGS, so preordered. I'll need to sell off the teams now, which shouldnt be hard I reckon..

By the way, I stumbled onto these official Kill Team -branded display cases.. have these been posted yet? First batch is in MTO right now, ships after the new year.. Quite keen to add one for my Corsairs, if they ever get one

https://www.wickedbrick.com/collections/display-solutions-for-warhammer-40-000-kill-team

Andykp wrote:
Still not sold out on uk gw site, maybe the worst of the supply issues are behind them. The previous kt boxes were gone in seconds.

Well, it's gone now, so it lasted almost half a day? Progress?

 Shakalooloo wrote:

Andykp wrote:
Still not sold out on uk gw site, maybe the worst of the supply issues are behind them. The previous kt boxes were gone in seconds.

Well, it's gone now, so it lasted almost half a day? Progress?

A tiny step in the right direction.

Has anyone seen side by sides of these KT Ratlings and WGA's Sneakfeet?

 stahly wrote:
Here comes my review and unboxing of Kill Team: Brutal and Cunning, inc. high-res sprue images, a breakdown of all assembly options, and a look into the expansion book: https://taleofpainters.com/2024/12/review-kill-team-brutal-and-cunning/

Your reviews and breakdowns of the sprues and build options are always very helpful, thank you!

Nothing crazy special, but its really nice to have GW put out a video with kitbashed models. The traitor ratlings actually look pretty cool. Sort of a Necromunda vibe

I have to admit, that's a very fun kitbash.

So, is there anyone playing with Wreckas or Ratlings? So many people were interested in the set I guess there have been thousands of games going on among Dakka posters...

I was very excited for Wrecka Krewboyz, with all that randomness mitigation and potentially very fun, explosive abilities.

For me, it turns out raw damage and fun skills don't matter that much, unfortunately, in this case. The limiting factor is 2APL for such a small number of operatives.

In my games so far it was far too easy for my opponents to just stay out of range (6" + action). Most of the time the only way to attack was to wait for the opponent to attack and counter, which meant unfavourable trading started by the opoonent.

Elites with 3APL can move 9-10" and attack whenever they need flanking or closing to 2" to draw LOS to Concealed enemies.
Lower APL hordes can put less valuable operatives in front as bait to lose without it being a problem and then counter, trading favourably.

Wreckas can do neither. On ITD with all this door opening and losing 1" for moving through accessible it is even more tragic :( They don't even have a Comms effect to alleviate the problem of not being able to close the distance to attack.

I think their Nob should be 3APL with Get it Done! like the Kommando one. That would be a start.


So, what are your impressions from playing with B&C teams?

Still waiting on my set to arrive, store I ordered it from is such a bleeding mess these days. 😒

 BrookM wrote:
Still waiting on my set to arrive, store I ordered it from is such a bleeding mess these days. 😒

Oh, that's terrible! Mine, ordered in a Polish store arrived a couple of days before Christmas!

Wont be getting games in with either team anytime soon. My Killteam projects always end up being multi-year projects on the build department alone.. I was thinking of selling off my Ratlings, but then I saw all their bitz and changed my mind! Their spare rifles will be great for making kitbashed "retro" guns for Necromunda Squat prospectors (hoping to build a squat unit for 2nd ed 40K souping one day), and that radio they got looks much better than the radio bit we get from the standard equipment sprue..

I did kind of wonder how bad these teams would be on Gallowdark / Bheta-Decima missions. CYRAC said both teams are hard to play well, and Wrecka Krew teams sort of need two boxes worth of operatives in order to stay competitive against all comers.. Ratlings are apparently useless without the Ogryns as well

Wreckas don't need two boxes to have all the options, just magnets. In their case it is particularly easy to do. Connection points are big (propa ork shoulders!), arms already have hollow spaces where magnets usually go (they need just very little digging with a knife) and the big carapace-style armour hides any imperfections in lining the pieces up. Easy work even for a beginner.

But in my opinion it's not the lack of options that is their problem.

Also it's worth noting, CYRAC's so called "reviews" seem to be made after very few or even no games played with the team in question. They are just videos rushed out as quickly as possible for views. So I wouldn't pay too much attention to those.

CYRAC's won at least one larger KT21 tournament, which is more than I can ever say for myself. So I take his opinions more seriously than random players'.

YMMV

Oh, I value his opinion on things he has already played, like tournament reports, tier lists or balance ideas. No doubt here!

The "reviews after zero games with the team" aka "I will just read the text of the rules aloud for 20minutes adding some untested shower thoughts" are just pure viewbait. I'd love to see those after a couple of weeks after the release of those teams, but that's not what YT algorithms reward. Actually it's his videos among others that inspired this thread of mine: https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/815297.page

Anyway, the "two box Wreckas" is just not true, magnets do the job just fine.