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I don't think there was an android. They had cyborg jones instead.
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In Aliens, Ripley is unaware Bishop is an android and angry about it. Clearly 'we always have a synthetic on board' was not the standard in Alien.
In Alien, no one knew Ashe was an android and he'd transferred onto the Nostromo right before they left so he was presumably put there specifically for the mission to LV426.
So at that time, it probably wasn't standard or common for a synthetic to be on board ships.
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insaniak wrote: Feels like it has to be either Curly or Tootles/Isaac. I'm leaning towards Tootles, but Curly is surely headed for something unpleasant.
Isaac does seem to behave like a Prometheus character when a dangerous looking alien life form is waving a protuberance at him. Curly might be asked to do something really stupid to 'prove' herself to Boy. (it's pretty obvious that nearly the entire island regard the Lost Boys as property, rather than people. In fact I'll wager the children's personalities were copied rather than transferred, meaning the did actually kill some children.
All this 'we don't break' stuff is going to be severely tested, and Nibs is shaping up to be a mad killer robot.
LordofHats wrote: In Aliens, Ripley is unaware Bishop is an android and angry about it. Clearly 'we always have a synthetic on board' was not the standard in Alien.
In Alien, no one knew Ashe was an android and he'd transferred onto the Nostromo right before they left so he was presumably put there specifically for the mission to LV426.
So at that time, it probably wasn't standard or common for a synthetic to be on board ships.
In light of Alien Earth's themes it seems like Ash is (re-)interpreted as a trial run to see if an advanced synthetic can pass for a human crewman. I'd have to watch Alien again to see if it has any hints as to Ash's purpose. Hopefully it doesn't, for the sake of continuity. If he were to be an addition to specifically get further samples, the Maginot crew would have had to screw up their one job way bad way ahead of the beginning of Alien Earth, phone home and tell their bosses they forgot to pack the second batch of eggs and only checked their inventory halfway home, and Weyland would have had to figure six creeps weren't enough and they definitely needed seven, no more, no less, to get the job done. Whatever the job might be. Trying to reconcile the movie with the new show would quickly get silly.
I don't think the always a synthetic on board thing is worth thinking about much. Burke is young and wasn't around even close to Ripley's time. For him it might as well always have been that way. And like in any good capitalist dystopia company policy in the setting is that whatever the company is doing now is what the company has always done, and the only right way to do it.
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Nehekhara lives! Sort of!
Why is the rum always gone?
Latest episode is so sinister from so many angles. Really enjoying it.
The "always a synthetic onboard" may be a military protocol and not a civilian one in addition to the 80 years between alien and aliens allowing for changes in policy.
Ash was specifically sent to LV426 to collect the alien samples. And this show is a prequel to Alien.
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Looks like I may have a completely wrong idea about how long the Nostromo is zipping around space. If you happen to catch the movie saying anything about that, please share.
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Why is the rum always gone?
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I’ve speculated before that the Nostromo being diverted to LV426, under the guise of “standing orders to explore any distress signal, even if not of human origin”, is directly linked to the events unfurling in Alien Earth.
We know the Maginot was on the return leg of a 65 year mission. And it clearly found the eggs somewhere. On the fairly safe assumption that’s LV426? If Weyland Yutani loses all access to the samples in the show, The Nostromo may represent its only asset close enough to divert to get more.
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Geifer wrote: Looks like I may have a completely wrong idea about how long the Nostromo is zipping around space. If you happen to catch the movie saying anything about that, please share.
She spent about 8 months going to and from Thadeus, and then got a 10 month diversion to Acheron [LV426] (where things went bad).
Less than 2 years in space, total.
There were 3 parts, the Narcissus, The Nostromo, and the Refinery (where no one went in the film)
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Ah! Thats because the Nostromo was a deep space tug, and not part of the refinery.
Recently watched a decent YouTube video about it. Seems the refinery had appropriate tubes and doohickys which carried the thrust from the Nostromo through its own superstructure. But there’s nothing to suggest the two elements were otherwise connected by like, crew corridors and that. So it may simply not have been possible to traverse the two.
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Geifer wrote: Looks like I may have a completely wrong idea about how long the Nostromo is zipping around space. If you happen to catch the movie saying anything about that, please share.
She spent about 8 months going to and from Thadeus, and then got a 10 month diversion to Acheron [LV426] (where things went bad).
Less than 2 years in space, total.
There were 3 parts, the Narcissus, The Nostromo, and the Refinery (where no one went in the film)
Thanks! Somehow I had it in my head that it was longer than that.
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Why is the rum always gone?
I thought that too, but I think I get confused with the really long time between alien and aliens, and that is very much a fault state in space travel.
Please excuse any spelling errors. I use a tablet frequently and software keyboards are a pain!
Turns out Teng was not an android after all, just weird.
The eyeball octopus may not actually be entirely hostile, and certainly is not a fan of the xenomorph.
My only real quibble is that they appeared to know enough about the xenomorph's lifecycle to know what was going on, but didn't know it had acid blood. Although at least some of that knowledge was possibly confined to Morrow specifically, with the med team having no reason to know, so it gets a pass.
The rest of that was a nice use of flashback, putting everything in place for the start of the first episode.
That was a great episode. A really well contained mini-movie. I know I said in a previous post, that I was glad we didn't get the whole "here's how the critters got loose" preamble in the first episode. But now I'm glad we did get it. Because it was fething great. But I'll maintain that I'm glad we didn't get it in the first episode. Worked much better as it's own thing.
While I'm sure some people will pan it, I really enjoyed seeing...
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The man-in-a-rubber-suit xenomorph. I think it was a great quiet little throw back to the original Alien movie (much like the rest of the episode). Also I liked seeing it move awkwardly around on two legs rather then its preferred and more proficient running/crawling/leaping we normally see from it. And in full light, no less! No carefully placed shadows here, no sir!
The show also gets bonus point from me for showing an explosion from space with no noise! I do love to see quiet space shots.
Turns out Teng was not an android after all, just weird.
The eyeball octopus may not actually be entirely hostile, and certainly is not a fan of the xenomorph.
My only real quibble is that they appeared to know enough about the xenomorph's lifecycle to know what was going on, but didn't know it had acid blood. Although at least some of that knowledge was possibly confined to Morrow specifically, with the med team having no reason to know, so it gets a pass.
The rest of that was a nice use of flashback, putting everything in place for the start of the first episode.
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Agreed on all points.
They certainly added some depth to the eyeball octopus. It's clearly a life form capable of intelligent thought and problem solving. And yes, while maybe not overtly hostile, is still willing and able to subdue and take control of unwilling hosts (i.e - Shemul(?)). It will be interesting to see where they go with it, if it gains some form of reliable communication method, whether it becomes the "enemy of my enemy is my friend" type character or just another enemy alien jerk to deal with on top of the (one has to assume) impending and inevitable xenomorph outbreak.
It did bug me a little (pardon the pun) that the specimen containment breach alarm wasn't louder and y'know... ship wide? You'd think of all things, that'd alarm would be a big blaring klaxxon with flashing red light of doom.
And one thing is for certain now after that episode.
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Boy Kavalier is definitely not as obliviously innocent as we might first might have thought.
This show is great. As much as i enjoyed this flash back episode, and the sneaky reveal in it, i REALLy enjoyed the last one. It was damn harrowing. Every single character had some incredibly upsetting conversations/interactions the entire time.
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So much win!
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Loved the other gribblies getting some threatening screen time. The Ticks are horrific, and do lethal farts. Johnny Eyeball is terrifying but super interesting in what might happen with it next.
Very impressed at what was in its essence The Abridged Alien, we still end up with something that feels fresh and original as a result of having more than just the Xenomorph to worry about.
But also the design work. Right at the end, we see some kind of aircraft shuttle thing atop Yutani Tower. And there’s a clear design lineage to the Cheyenne Dropship.
I also like how the Maginot has the rugged tech of the Nostromo evident, and the padded corridors. But juxtaposed to much fancier tech elsewhere. It shows Rugged For A Reason to my mind.
But now, sadly? It’s another bloody week until we got more Win pumped into our eyeballs.
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I just want to note that the Maginot was gone for almost 7 decades.
The rugged retro futuristic tech of the original film and present in the Maginot may be by design. When your expensive ship returns from a 7 decade trip is it all scrap? Or have every component across 7 decades of development been built to run and interface with as simple a system as possible so that it can be refitted and sent back out there.
We all wonder why the ship has weird computers that type out gak in dos style green text. But its really the simplest, least consuming, most universal system that can have a new nav computer plugged into it and sent on its way. Your crews don't need to be caught up on 7 decades of development. The system runs the same as the one they left in and you can just send them off again.
Anything more elaborate or complex would require more training, possibly years worth, and far more gutting of the ships systems to be upgraded to the newest stuff.
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I thought the eyeball creature was the one that was supposed to surprise us with its intelligence, but did you see that tick first figure out how to get out of its cage, then surreptitiously spike the lady's water with nymphs, then hide in her sandwich? Devious little buggers.
When the eyeball creature rapped on its container after the tick got loose, I felt a surge of hope and said to my wife, "it's warning her!" Then my wife said, "no, it's distracting her so she won't see it." Oh. Yeah. Duh.
Generally speaking it makes perfect sense that the different alien creatures would go for each other as much as the humans. They've been cherry-picked by Weyland-Yutani because they're all highly deadly predators. I loved the monster mash we got with this episode between the eyeball and the xenomorph, and I hope a few more are coming before this ends.
Rather than stumble around like a zombie, it was interesting to see the eyeball make much better athletic / combat use of the human's body than the old man seemed humanly capable of doing himself. But the fact that the eyeball went for the alien tells me nothing about its potential as an intentional human ally. So far the eyeball seems always to want to trade up, like a hermit crab looking for a better shell, to whatever seems to be the most apex creature on the food pyramid. So it went from the gutted cat to Nibbs, then when possessing the sheep, it stood up like a human to glare back at its captors on equal "footing," and in this last episode, after its human body was bested it even made a play for the xenomorph. Bad luck for Mr. Eyeball, since xenomorphs have no eyes, and even if they did, you'd find out after worming your way in that their blood is acid. Loved the weird base growl that the eyeball-possessed actor came up with (or at least I hope the actor came up with it himself. That'd be cool.) At this point in the franchise, the origin story scares are settled and a bit stale, and including stuff like this isn't jumping the shark, it's good crazy.
One point in favor of the eyeball eventually showing a "common enemy" side, though; when it's not attacking and extending tentacles much farther than it looks like they should go, it's actually kind of cute and unassuming, easy to underestimate. In human films, being cute is often indicative of being good, or at least of being not entirely evil. Great galaxies, you humans are dumb as rocks.
While a xenomorph ran a high-tech rat maze in Jim Woodring's excellent comic Aliens: Labyrinth, the chief scientist presented it with the choice of attacking a delicious, helpless pig or an armed marine, and asked the hero of the series "which will it pick?" It went for the marine because, as the scientist put it, xenomorphs always go for the biggest threat first. I think Mr. Eyeball follows a similar logic, excepting that it wants to take possession of the biggest threat and become it, too.
Anyhow, still loving this series without reservation. It feels like some sort of escapist consolation prize for the real world crap we're all living through, and man, do I need it. Always a pleasure to check in here and see what you folks make of it.
Regarding Nibbs, I'm going to hazard a guess that she hasn't been literally impregnated by it / seeded with eggs / etc., but since part of her trauma is rooted in Mr. Eyeball's attack, and they showed her touching her own eyeball later, I wouldn't be surprised if Nibbs' comes up with some disturbed idea that the Eyeball was the holy spirit bringing her a child, and ends up doing something religiously bizarre and probably catastrophic related to the creature later.
And again speaking of Aliens: Labyrinth, both Nibbs and Wendy are giving me potential "I am the Hive" vibes.
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Lance845 wrote: I just want to note that the Maginot was gone for almost 7 decades.
The rugged retro futuristic tech of the original film and present in the Maginot may be by design. When your expensive ship returns from a 7 decade trip is it all scrap? Or have every component across 7 decades of development been built to run and interface with as simple a system as possible so that it can be refitted and sent back out there.
We all wonder why the ship has weird computers that type out gak in dos style green text. But its really the simplest, least consuming, most universal system that can have a new nav computer plugged into it and sent on its way. Your crews don't need to be caught up on 7 decades of development. The system runs the same as the one they left in and you can just send them off again.
Anything more elaborate or complex would require more training, possibly years worth, and far more gutting of the ships systems to be upgraded to the newest stuff.
Haven’t had chance to catch this episode yet, but on the tech I heard something a few years ago that is semi-canon (I think it came from one of the RPGs), which is the idea that when you go faster than light entropy is accelerated. Essentially if it would take you 200-hundred years at the speed of light, you accumulate 200-hundred years of entropy, regardless of how fast you go. So all of the tech on starships has to be ridiculously robust and essentially backwards, because it has to survive effectively centuries of wear and tear even if you’re only actually travelling for a few years at multiple times the speed of light. I really like it as a head canon for why things look and work the way they do in universe.
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But the fact that the eyeball went for the alien tells me nothing about its potential as an intentional human ally. So far the eyeball seems always to want to trade up, like a hermit crab looking for a better shell, to whatever seems to be the most apex creature on the food pyramid. So it went from the gutted cat to Nibbs, then when possessing the sheep, it stood up like a human to glare back at its captors on equal "footing," and in this last episode, after its human body was bested it even made a play for the xenomorph. Bad luck for Mr. Eyeball, since xenomorphs have no eyes, and even if they did, you'd find out after worming your way in that their blood is acid.
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See, I initially had a similar thought, but on thinking about it as the scene went on, it didn't really make sense for the eyeball to make such a stupid error after the level of intelligence it had shown up to that point. So I think it was just trying to take out the xenomorph as a threat, rather than a potential host.
And while that's likely down to self-interest rather than a desire to help the humans (as it's definitely not shy about taking over a human when convenient), it didn't kill Zaverni, just knocked her out of the way.
So I think it's intelligent enough that it's just trying to survive and eliminate obvious threats, rather than going on a 'kill all humans' rampage like the other critters.
This episode would justify the rest of the series in and of itself.
So many fantastic small moments too.
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This was a really great episode.
Humanizing Morrow as this tired and hard working security officer dealing with the crew's tiny recklessnesses and bits makes him more like Ripley than Ashe which is a really fantastic twist.
The lab scene is fantastically done.
The Eye has, without a single line of its own and only a few scenes, become a fascinating character in its own right.