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Just my preference, but I'd like to see slim codices as well.

Is there anything that will be in the Core Rules book that wasnt already in the PDF download?

 Del Mingus wrote:
Is there anything that will be in the Core Rules book that wasnt already in the PDF download?

There's talk of a digital expansion and the pdf has some placeholder sections that link to app rules that don't exist, so quite likely as of time of writing. By time of release the app should cover it.

Did some tidying, going to ask that we stay on topic, play nice and if more rudeness happens, timeouts will occur.

WARHAMMER 40K: CORE RULES - £15.00
WH40K: CHAPTER APPROVED MISSION DECK ENG - £20.50
WH40K: DOMINATUS - ARMAGEDDON (ENGLISH)- - £20.50
WARHAMMER 40000: TERRAIN AREA SET - £18.75
COMBAT PATROL COMPANION (ENGLISH)- £20.50

£15 for the core rules is decent. If Wayland are doing a little discount then I'll sneak it in on the next order. Cheers.

Thanks for doing your job and keeping dakka a safe environment for everyone, BrookM!


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But back to getting on topic, I'm assuming the core rules up for pre-Order separately from Armageddon are probably the same ones in every way, given that all the lore stuff is in its own separate book.


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Also, I know this is kind of a novice question, but what are mission decks for? Are they just different scenarios you could play through for Warhammer, or are they something else? And why are they replaced every year? (feel free to let me know if you think I should move this out of the thread)

My assumption is it's just because each year they do different theming and it takes place on a different planet, and it's to give competitive players new scenarios that are balanced. Is that correct?





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SamusDrake wrote:
Just my preference, but I'd like to see slim codices as well.

Am I assuming you mean Codex's. And if so, I do think that would be nice, or if they offered slimmed down versions for free download. I kind of feel like I shouldn't have to pay $70 just to get stuff specified for what my army does.

Personally I wouldn't want to see a slim codex of just rules on its own. I get why people want that as long term fans, but for new people I think it divorces them from reading the lore and background; seeing art and so forth.

To me the codex has strength in being a multi-appeal product.

I could accept it if GW started printing them in two separate parts and sold together - that would be fair.


The BRB makes more sense split because its 100s of pages long and becomes very heavy on non-game content; however again I think it should always be a tandem product at its core.

 Mrangryork wrote:

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Also, I know this is kind of a novice question, but what are mission decks for? Are they just different scenarios you could play through for Warhammer, or are they something else? And why are they replaced every year? (feel free to let me know if you think I should move this out of the thread)

My assumption is it's just because each year they do different theming and it takes place on a different planet, and it's to give competitive players new scenarios that are balanced. Is that correct?
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The mission decks contain the primary mission cards, secondary missions, which are drawn each command phase, the deployment map cards, twist cards; which add an additional rule to the game and can be left out if players don't like them, and the 'underdog' mission deck to give players lagging behind a boost mid game. They're updated annuallu for balance and to help freshen up the game during its shelf life.

 Overread wrote:
Personally I wouldn't want to see a slim codex of just rules on its own. I get why people want that as long term fans, but for new people I think it divorces them from reading the lore and background; seeing art and so forth.

Since it was accurate, it's worth noting that this rumour below also mentioned that softback codexes were coming with 11th.

Given the rulebooks we've seen so far it seems that GW are moving more towards making printed rules cheaper and effectively more 'disposable' than the near-£40 codexes we have currently. While I doubt they'll get rid of the lore / art stuff entirely, I do wonder if it'll be significantly cut down to reduce costs.

 xttz wrote:


FWIW there was a rumour floating around that the next preorder will be for the standalone rulebook, card decks, & terrain footprints. That puts them in stores a week after Armageddon.

Should be confirmed in a few hours from now.

I’d love it if they just sold the codes for the app as an option rather than having to buy a codex.

Andykp wrote:
I’d love it if they just sold the codes for the app as an option rather than having to buy a codex.

So would I, but buying codes direct from GW could have a fairly bad side-effect on third-party stores whose sales each month can depend on customers picking up their latest rulebook alongside other things like models & paints. In some cases, not getting the codex from a FLGS makes shipping costs less viable and could stop a sale entirely.

For me a decent solution is to offer physical disposable 'gift-cards' with a scratch off code to unlock a codex, allowing retailers to still take their cut. Switching to softback / smaller format codexes seems like a compromise towards that at least.

warl0rdb0b wrote:

 Mrangryork wrote:

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Also, I know this is kind of a novice question, but what are mission decks for? Are they just different scenarios you could play through for Warhammer, or are they something else? And why are they replaced every year? (feel free to let me know if you think I should move this out of the thread)

My assumption is it's just because each year they do different theming and it takes place on a different planet, and it's to give competitive players new scenarios that are balanced. Is that correct?
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The mission decks contain the primary mission cards, secondary missions, which are drawn each command phase, the deployment map cards, twist cards; which add an additional rule to the game and can be left out if players don't like them, and the 'underdog' mission deck to give players lagging behind a boost mid game. They're updated annuallu for balance and to help freshen up the game during its shelf life.

Are those really needed for playing?

I really dislike cards in miniature wargames.

SU-152 wrote:

warl0rdb0b wrote:

 Mrangryork wrote:

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Also, I know this is kind of a novice question, but what are mission decks for? Are they just different scenarios you could play through for Warhammer, or are they something else? And why are they replaced every year? (feel free to let me know if you think I should move this out of the thread)

My assumption is it's just because each year they do different theming and it takes place on a different planet, and it's to give competitive players new scenarios that are balanced. Is that correct?
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The mission decks contain the primary mission cards, secondary missions, which are drawn each command phase, the deployment map cards, twist cards; which add an additional rule to the game and can be left out if players don't like them, and the 'underdog' mission deck to give players lagging behind a boost mid game. They're updated annuallu for balance and to help freshen up the game during its shelf life.

Are those really needed for playing?

I really dislike cards in miniature wargames.

At present the mission decks are the only 11th ed missions so to play "properly" they are required. But you could likely codify them into charts and have a printed list I guess if you didn't want cards.

SU-152 wrote:

The mission decks contain the primary mission cards, secondary missions, which are drawn each command phase, the deployment map cards, twist cards; which add an additional rule to the game and can be left out if players don't like them, and the 'underdog' mission deck to give players lagging behind a boost mid game. They're updated annuallu for balance and to help freshen up the game during its shelf life.

Are those really needed for playing?

I really dislike cards in miniature wargames.

Kind of. 11th edition assumes you are playing this type of mission, so it's either cards or an app. Cards are vastly superior in my experience.

Of course, you are free to play any mission you want, including just killing each other's models.

Looks like marine updates go up today:

https://www.tabletopbattles.com/40k-11th-edition-faction-pack-review-space-marines

There'll inevitably be missions in future supplements too.

Dudeface wrote:
Looks like marine updates go up today:

https://www.tabletopbattles.com/40k-11th-edition-faction-pack-review-space-marines

I wonder if they were supposed to wait until GW posted the PDF.

Out of curiosity, GW has stated multiple times that the cardboard terrain footprints are printed on both sides, but did they ever show the non-city side? I assume it's glorious brown dirt so your trees don't have to grow out of the sidewalk, but do we actually know?

At present the mission decks are the only 11th ed missions so to play "properly" they are required. But you could likely codify them into charts and have a printed list I guess if you didn't want cards.

Kind of. 11th edition assumes you are playing this type of mission, so it's either cards or an app. Cards are vastly superior in my experience.

Of course, you are free to play any mission you want, including just killing each other's models.

I mean, are there NO scenarios and missions in the Rulebook? like in any other wargame.

SU-152 wrote:

At present the mission decks are the only 11th ed missions so to play "properly" they are required. But you could likely codify them into charts and have a printed list I guess if you didn't want cards.

Kind of. 11th edition assumes you are playing this type of mission, so it's either cards or an app. Cards are vastly superior in my experience.

Of course, you are free to play any mission you want, including just killing each other's models.

I mean, are there NO scenarios and missions in the Rulebook? like in any other wargame.

It will probably have dawn of war, like it always had.

But no, 40k has outsourced their missions packs to secondary sources for some time now, depending on what kind of mission you are looking for:
- matched play mission are updated in "seasons" multiple times over the course of an edition, usually effectively invalidating all previous matched play missions in the community
- narrative missions usually come from narrative source books or white dwarf or the download section of warhammer-community. Unless they have serious flaws, these are usually played until they become incompatible to the game.
- alternative game modes usually bring their own missions in the same publication

There have been multiple iteration of card deck missions, which have all been quite popular and provide a lot more replay value than most static missions. This has caused GW to adapt this type of mission for matched play, since by nature these players tend to play the game much more frequently than others.
This edition they also try the card deck approach for narrative missions, as they want to eliminate the "homework" part of crusade (their words, not mine). I will give it a shot, but I'm skeptical.

 Geifer wrote:
Out of curiosity, GW has stated multiple times that the cardboard terrain footprints are printed on both sides, but did they ever show the non-city side? I assume it's glorious brown dirt so your trees don't have to grow out of the sidewalk, but do we actually know?

I was wondering myself, but based on the pictures, my impression is that it's just the same print but mirrored.

 Jidmah wrote:

SU-152 wrote:

At present the mission decks are the only 11th ed missions so to play "properly" they are required. But you could likely codify them into charts and have a printed list I guess if you didn't want cards.

Kind of. 11th edition assumes you are playing this type of mission, so it's either cards or an app. Cards are vastly superior in my experience.

Of course, you are free to play any mission you want, including just killing each other's models.

I mean, are there NO scenarios and missions in the Rulebook? like in any other wargame.

It will probably have dawn of war, like it always had.

But no, 40k has outsourced their missions packs to secondary sources for some time now, depending on what kind of mission you are looking for:
- matched play mission are updated in "seasons" multiple times over the course of an edition, usually effectively invalidating all previous matched play missions in the community
- narrative missions usually come from narrative source books or white dwarf or the download section of warhammer-community. Unless they have serious flaws, these are usually played until they become incompatible to the game.
- alternative game modes usually bring their own missions in the same publication

There have been multiple iteration of card deck missions, which have all been quite popular and provide a lot more replay value than most static missions. This has caused GW to adapt this type of mission for matched play, since by nature these players tend to play the game much more frequently than others.
This edition they also try the card deck approach for narrative missions, as they want to eliminate the "homework" part of crusade (their words, not mine). I will give it a shot, but I'm skeptical.

Let's hope they actually make enough. All throughout 10th the mission decks would sell out within a month and then never be reprinted, so if you didn't give into FOMO you literally only had one generic mission in the core book to play, outside of Crusade. Completely ridiculous.

 xttz wrote:

Andykp wrote:
I’d love it if they just sold the codes for the app as an option rather than having to buy a codex.

So would I, but buying codes direct from GW could have a fairly bad side-effect on third-party stores whose sales each month can depend on customers picking up their latest rulebook alongside other things like models & paints. In some cases, not getting the codex from a FLGS makes shipping costs less viable and could stop a sale entirely.

For me a decent solution is to offer physical disposable 'gift-cards' with a scratch off code to unlock a codex, allowing retailers to still take their cut. Switching to softback / smaller format codexes seems like a compromise towards that at least.

I’d be down with that it’s a good idea. They still need a book for those that like them or those that are new and need some fluff. But I’d quite like buying scratch card, I want then to that now!

Ok. Just so I'm clear, what exactly do I need to play 11th edition?

Wayniac wrote:
Let's hope they actually make enough. All throughout 10th the mission decks would sell out within a month and then never be reprinted, so if you didn't give into FOMO you literally only had one generic mission in the core book to play, outside of Crusade. Completely ridiculous.

Absolutely. I know I'll be ordering one from GW - just to be sure I get it, discount be damned.


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 Lathe Biosas wrote:
Ok. Just so I'm clear, what exactly do I need to play 11th edition?

The cards and the patience to wait for Wahapedia to update

More serious response:
Your codex will remain valid for now, a faction pack will be released and the app will be updated. The core rules will be available as download, as well as the glossary with all the edge cases, and a points update.
You need some way to represent the missions from the cards. Buy them, print them, use an app, doesn't matter.
In theory, you can play old or homebrew missions as well, but the average player will probably expect you to play the new missions.
Two players can play with each deck, so you only need one of them per game. Our gaming group is currently aligning so we have one deck per two players.

Billicus wrote:
Colour me surprised, book and cards are in fact up for preorder next week. It's a bit odd that Armageddon is a 2 weeker but the solus book and cards are going to hit stores the same week.

They’re not. They have a 27th release date on them so they won’t be in stores until the following week.

 Geifer wrote:
Out of curiosity, GW has stated multiple times that the cardboard terrain footprints are printed on both sides, but did they ever show the non-city side? I assume it's glorious brown dirt so your trees don't have to grow out of the sidewalk, but do we actually know?

I think its probably the same on both sides. There's a few missions that seem to have inverted the triangles so I think they'd need to be.

PDFs up.

Nice to see the Corvus Blackstar gets the Hover and movement treatment like the Stormraven.

A few inconsistencies. The Space MarineThunderhawk oddly retains its move value and aircraft - so not sure how that's supposed to work. However, the Grey Knights Thunderhawk loses the Aircraft keyword and works like the Stormraven and Blackstar.

Meanwhile the Fire Raptor loses its move value and retains Hover - which also seems odd since Hover wouldn't do anything if there's no move value.

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