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 skeleton wrote:
In the announcement on youtube and on there site they told us that ork boys where armed with shootas, sluggas and choppas. but in the app you still have to take shootas or slugga and shoppa??

Their new rules haven't been released yet, so they're still using the old codex.

Aha, oke thanks

 The Phazer wrote:

 Ashiraya wrote:

 The Phazer wrote:
So Sisters have to pay to take multimeltas in Retributor squads, but Marine Devastators can take any weapon for free. Huh?

I wonder if it's sort of my fault. I talk a lot about the free wargear problem here, on reddit etc, and Retributors were my favourite example of a problem unit in a free wargear world.

Do you know what my favourite example were before them? Carbine Scourges. A unit that GW then split off, and touched none of their other options.

Sometimes I wonder if some GW designer is on social media...

I mean they almost certainly are.

But I'm not saying it to moan that Sisters have to pay for their wargear - they should! There might actually be a reason to take Retributors with heavy bolters now! But more that the point of doing this is supposed to be to fix obvious issues of internal balance, and the very minimal implementation just doesn't do that.

As others have noted, it just seems really poor use of the design space.

For now, it seems to be just be being used for units where there is a choice *between* options (so weapon A or weapon B, not take the upgrade or not) but one or two are always chosen.

E.g. in Drukhari it’s modest increases to haywire blasters everywhere and dark lances on scourges and ravagers. Might make dissie ravagers a bit more useful.

Now their app tracks how specific lists perform in games, I’d imagine the plan is to fettle it over the edition, depending on what gets used.

 skeleton wrote:
In the announcement on youtube and on there site they told us that ork boys where armed with shootas, sluggas and choppas. but in the app you still have to take shootas or slugga and shoppa??

This will likely change with the Codex. They don't seem to be doing any real unit changes in the edition switch.

 Lathe Biosas wrote:
Played with the new points. It's still impossible to build a 2,000 point Sisters of Silence army... unless you plop in 3 Null Maidens from Crucible and a Culexus Assassin.

I mean... technically you can if you run 8 Rhinos.


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 tauist wrote:
Looking at the MFM Legends section, seems like nothing from my army got cut.. so far. That's a relief!

What about the app then? Didnt they say the app also supports Legends this time around? Doesn't really seem to be the case AFAICT..

They said that each army would get Legends updates when their Codex drops.

 Tawnis wrote:

 Lathe Biosas wrote:
Played with the new points. It's still impossible to build a 2,000 point Sisters of Silence army... unless you plop in 3 Null Maidens from Crucible and a Culexus Assassin.

I mean... technically you can if you run 8 Rhinos.

Dedicated Transports are still capped at 6 per army?

 Shakalooloo wrote:

 Tawnis wrote:

 Lathe Biosas wrote:
Played with the new points. It's still impossible to build a 2,000 point Sisters of Silence army... unless you plop in 3 Null Maidens from Crucible and a Culexus Assassin.

I mean... technically you can if you run 8 Rhinos.

Dedicated Transports are still capped at 6 per army?

Per the rules in the app, they (and battleline units) are capped at 2x the normal unit limit. Which is 2 for 1,000 point incursions and 3 for 2k point strike forces.

So 4 and 6 respectively.

Unless they are also epic heroes. In which case you only get 1.

 Shakalooloo wrote:

 Tawnis wrote:

 Lathe Biosas wrote:
Played with the new points. It's still impossible to build a 2,000 point Sisters of Silence army... unless you plop in 3 Null Maidens from Crucible and a Culexus Assassin.

I mean... technically you can if you run 8 Rhinos.

Dedicated Transports are still capped at 6 per army?

Couldn’t you take two IA Rhinos as allies in addition to the 6 SofS ones?

Lord Zarkov wrote:

 Shakalooloo wrote:

 Tawnis wrote:

 Lathe Biosas wrote:
Played with the new points. It's still impossible to build a 2,000 point Sisters of Silence army... unless you plop in 3 Null Maidens from Crucible and a Culexus Assassin.

I mean... technically you can if you run 8 Rhinos.

Dedicated Transports are still capped at 6 per army?

Couldn’t you take two IA Rhinos as allies in addition to the 6 SofS ones?

Would they still immediately blow up on deployment for being empty? They can't transport SoS models.

Lord Zarkov wrote:

 Shakalooloo wrote:

 Tawnis wrote:

 Lathe Biosas wrote:
Played with the new points. It's still impossible to build a 2,000 point Sisters of Silence army... unless you plop in 3 Null Maidens from Crucible and a Culexus Assassin.

I mean... technically you can if you run 8 Rhinos.

Dedicated Transports are still capped at 6 per army?

Couldn’t you take two IA Rhinos as allies in addition to the 6 SofS ones?

It's just a shame that they offer these cool rules for a straight Sisters of Silence build, and you can't actually field it unless you get stupid with adding nonsense from Imperial Agents to fill points.

This would be easier if something made all the Sisters into Battleline not just Prosecutors.

we did it ladz! The Ork Stompa is now 600 points!!

 Asmodai wrote:


Would they still immediately blow up on deployment for being empty? They can't transport SoS models.

40k units seriously need to visit a cardiologist.

They get heart attacks if the transport is empty, they get heart attacks if shot out of coherency, the Datasmith gets a heart attack if left alone...

I think the empty DT thing dates back to when they didn’t take up space on the force org chart? To prevent you from spamming them.

Honestly I don’t think it’s an issue these days. But the rule lingers.

Some are not bad on their own, but anyone spamming things like wave serpents?

Has Wave Serpent spam been a problem since 6th edition (where the Serpent Shield was a 48" range, cover-ignoring super-autocannon)?

 Ashiraya wrote:
Has Wave Serpent spam been a problem since 6th edition (where the Serpent Shield was a 48" range, cover-ignoring super-autocannon)?

I don’t think so. It was the one example of a dedicated transport that would hold up on it’s own. They have outshone eldar MBTs in multiple editions…

I’m not versed enough in what’s hot for all the factions, there might be something that’s getting abused out there that this rule will stop.

Those poor empty transports, perishing of loneliness.

 Mrangryork wrote:
we did it ladz! The Ork Stompa is now 600 points!!

With tech specifically to ban 3 Stompa still. I will assume this is the sole reason for the Spam tax and will hear no arguments to the contrary.

 Nevelon wrote:

 Ashiraya wrote:
Has Wave Serpent spam been a problem since 6th edition (where the Serpent Shield was a 48" range, cover-ignoring super-autocannon)?

I don’t think so. It was the one example of a dedicated transport that would hold up on it’s own. They have outshone eldar MBTs in multiple editions…

I’m not versed enough in what’s hot for all the factions, there might be something that’s getting abused out there that this rule will stop.

Those poor empty transports, perishing of loneliness.

Would it be a problem, genuinely? A faction's MBTs are often outshone by something, or themselves outshine a lot of other things.

If a transport happens to be used as a good combat unit in itself, that's not a problem to me.

ccs wrote:
If a Grey Knight player takes more than 1 THUNDERHAWK the 2nd+ increases in pts.
Really?
Spending nearly 1k $ each + working with piles of FW resin wasnt punishment enough?

Looks like all lords of war increase immediately on the second unit.
Which, honestly, fair, I can't say I hate it.
Maybe they remove knights as a standalone army sometime

 Nevelon wrote:

 Ashiraya wrote:
Has Wave Serpent spam been a problem since 6th edition (where the Serpent Shield was a 48" range, cover-ignoring super-autocannon)?

I don’t think so. It was the one example of a dedicated transport that would hold up on it’s own. They have outshone eldar MBTs in multiple editions…

I’m not versed enough in what’s hot for all the factions, there might be something that’s getting abused out there that this rule will stop.

Those poor empty transports, perishing of loneliness.

IIRC, the current auto-destructing dedicated transports came about in response to an early 8th edition build that used Guilliman to give full hit/wound rerolls to a bunch of Twin-Assault Cannon Razorbacks.

 Nevelon wrote:

 Shakalooloo wrote:

 Tawnis wrote:

 Lathe Biosas wrote:
Played with the new points. It's still impossible to build a 2,000 point Sisters of Silence army... unless you plop in 3 Null Maidens from Crucible and a Culexus Assassin.

I mean... technically you can if you run 8 Rhinos.

Dedicated Transports are still capped at 6 per army?

Per the rules in the app, they (and battleline units) are capped at 2x the normal unit limit. Which is 2 for 1,000 point incursions and 3 for 2k point strike forces.

So 4 and 6 respectively.

Unless they are also epic heroes. In which case you only get 1.

Ah, I must have missed that. I thought so long as they had a unit to transport, you could take as many as you wanted.

Asmodai wrote:
IIRC, the current auto-destructing dedicated transports came about in response to an early 8th edition build that used Guilliman to give full hit/wound rerolls to a bunch of Twin-Assault Cannon Razorbacks.

I remember that being an issue, could not recall if the fix was from that, or earlier.

Ashiraya wrote:

Would it be a problem, genuinely? A faction's MBTs are often outshone by something, or themselves outshine a lot of other things.

If a transport happens to be used as a good combat unit in itself, that's not a problem to me.

it was a loophole what you were restricted to 3 falcons, 3 fire prisms, but unlimited (or now 6) serpents.

Ideally units would be balanced. But eldar internal balance has historically been hot garbage. The fact that their transport hit harder, was tougher, and just all around better then their other tanks was frequent issue.

Not that I’m bitter, as the Falcon was why I started the army back at the tail end of 2nd…

ccs wrote:
If a Grey Knight player takes more than 1 THUNDERHAWK the 2nd+ increases in pts.
Really?
Spending nearly 1k $ each + working with piles of FW resin wasnt punishment enough?

Looks like all lords of war increase immediately on the second unit.
Which, honestly, fair, I can't say I hate it.
Maybe they remove knights as a standalone army sometime

I know very few people that this would matter to, but looks like about 30%+ point slash across the board for titans.

 cuda1179 wrote:
I know very few people that this would matter to, but looks like about 30%+ point slash across the board for titans.

Plastic Warhound confirmed

My friend has a Reaver, I'm tempted to print a Warlord just to flex the size of my cannon on him.
But then I'd have to store it, so I might settle for a Warhound

Of all the things to get individual upgrade costs, you’d think Titan arms would be it, but no.

 Mr_Rose wrote:
Of all the things to get individual upgrade costs, you’d think Titan arms would be it, but no.

They did at least go all out on the Despoiler for Chaos Knights.

 Mr_Rose wrote:
Of all the things to get individual upgrade costs, you’d think Titan arms would be it, but no.

As a guy that stopped counting his 40K scale titans when he got to 30, I can agree totally with this statement.

 cuda1179 wrote:

 Mr_Rose wrote:
Of all the things to get individual upgrade costs, you’d think Titan arms would be it, but no.

As a guy that stopped counting his 40K scale titans when he got to 30, I can agree totally with this statement.

I'm sorry, did you say 30 titans?

 cuda1179 wrote:

 Mr_Rose wrote:
Of all the things to get individual upgrade costs, you’d think Titan arms would be it, but no.

As a guy that stopped counting his 40K scale titans when he got to 30, I can agree totally with this statement.