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What?

Yup, straight from GW themselves!


If you look at the Ard Boyz Rules, Deathwatch are allowed for the qualifiers using the 4th Edition SM book. But once it moves to the finals with the 5th Edition SM book, Deathwatch go bye-bye.

Anybody surprised?

Or care?

I care, but am not surprised.

It makes me worry about the "Combined Inquisition" Codex though...

think it bin moved to the combined

I'm not surprised. Concerned a smidgen. It was to be expected with how they based the Sternguard around the Deathwatch. I think this shows that in the future the only real difference GW will have if the do a separate Deathwatch list is some additional special rules. My concern is more in the watering down of the interesting combinations you can field with a DW Kill-team. This kinda puts Deathwatch a notch down on the totem pole of elite units.

Deathwatch was on the totem pole of elite units?

Same with 13th Company Wolves.

I'm not surprised that GW wants Deathwatch and the 13th Company to go the way of the very short, bearded guardsmen, but I can't understand the thinking behind the decision. The new rulebook provides the format for quick and easy games. So I guess with that fact in mind GW feels that every new codex should be quick and easy, by removing any and all interesting options that allow a player to make his army his. I started in this hobby when the only difference between chapters was a paint color, I really don't want to go back to those days. I'm just glad the group I play with will allow any unit you have modeled and have the rules for no matter how outmoded, out of favor, or disallowed by the GW tournament pogs.

MarvinGayeIsMyDaddy wrote:Deathwatch was on the totem pole of elite units?

Yes, even the fact that GW decided to downgrade them and include them in the codex should tell you as much, that GW thought they were a worthwhile elite option. I've seen them fielded in IG and SM armies, because they were the hands down one of the best do all flexible options for either force. Now they're a one trick pony. Maybe GW will give them back some of their close combat options when they give alien hunters a codex.

Frankly, since I heard about the Sternguard marines and Kantor's special abilities, I'd been thinking about building a Deathwatch army and using those rules for it - the 'Ardboyz rules just solidified my ability to do that.

What happens if you play Inquisition or Imperial Guard with Deathwatch?

You just play Space Marines, using Stern Guard with Allied Inquisition units.

That doesn't really work if the only Spase Mareens (Hurr!) you own are Deathwatch ones.

You thought you wouldn't have to buy new models when GW updates the rules????????

Not really, it just means I'll Ebay my now useless Deathwatch Marines and spend the proceeds on some PP or Battlefront stuff. Another win for GW

George Spiggott wrote:That doesn't really work if the only Spase Mareens (Hurr!) you own are Deathwatch ones.

That phrase (Spase Marinez Hurr!! and all the variants) has been banned on Dakka*, due to overuse and for just really not being all that funny.


*OK, not really, but it should be!

Well this is a shame. I was slowly building a Deathwatch for my IG, looks like I should find something new for them then.

I say you just hold onto your deathwatch cause they will inevitably come back to it. It was a sucktastic thing for GW to do since a good deal of people use deathwatch and the sternguard rules give no latitude for use outside of a space marine army.

Wait, deathwatch were elite? lolz

That's some good times there.

Alpharius wrote:

George Spiggott wrote:That doesn't really work if the only Spase Mareens (Hurr!) you own are Deathwatch ones.

That phrase (Spase Marinez Hurr!! and all the variants) has been banned on Dakka*, due to overuse and for just really not being all the funny.


*OK, not really, but it should be!

I concur!

George Spiggott wrote:Not really, it just means I'll Ebay my now useless Deathwatch Marines and spend the proceeds on some PP or Battlefront stuff. Another win for GW

Err. Why don't you just designate certain of your DW units to count as a couple tactical squads? Or paint up a couple min strength scout squads to use as your troops? Seems drastic to throw the Deathwatch out with the bathwater.

Although, frankly George, if you're Deathwatch are painted as nice as your other work, shoot me some pics and I might be interested in buying them.

Death By Monkeys wrote:

George Spiggott wrote:Not really, it just means I'll Ebay my now useless Deathwatch Marines and spend the proceeds on some PP or Battlefront stuff. Another win for GW

Err. Why don't you just designate certain of your DW units to count as a couple tactical squads? Or paint up a couple min strength scout squads to use as your troops? Seems drastic to throw the Deathwatch out with the bathwater.

It's easier to get frustrated, and then get your "fix" from the other "dealers" out there.

No reason you can't use Deathwatch Marines as Sternguard Vets.

Hell, I've got two Deathwatch Tac Squads, a DW Assault, Dev, Command and 2 DW Terminator Squads. I can use them as whatever I want - they're just ther to look cool.

BYE

I've been an Anglina Jolie to GW's orphans for quite some time now (check my sig), in the past I looked at GW's failings as opportunities to expand my games with all kinds of lost children (Squats, Zoats, Rapiers and so on) however as my interest in 40k wanes these things are the first to take a hit as my interest in 'roughing it' decreases.

Although it's possible to build a Spase Mareenz (Oops, am I out of fashion now? – Ostracised by geeks, is there anything lower?) army around my Deathwatch it's not guaranteed that such a combined arms list will still exist when the Inquisition codex is rewritten so I'm unwilling to go down that route. I think they'll stay in a box for a while, time is on my side.

whitedragon wrote:It's easier to get frustrated, and then get your "fix" from the other "dealers" out there.

That it is, although it always feels better to buy more troops because you want them rather than your army 'needs' them. As with all addictions it always feels better when you tell yourself you choose to do it.

@Death by Monkeys: I never did get them fully painted, thanks for the offer.

Death By Monkeys wrote:

George Spiggott wrote:Not really, it just means I'll Ebay my now useless Deathwatch Marines and spend the proceeds on some PP or Battlefront stuff. Another win for GW

Err. Why don't you just designate certain of your DW units to count as a couple tactical squads? Or paint up a couple min strength scout squads to use as your troops? Seems drastic to throw the Deathwatch out with the bathwater.

Although, frankly George, if you're Deathwatch are painted as nice as your other work, shoot me some pics and I might be interested in buying them.

No doubt, your Carapace IG w/ West Wind heads are top notch George.

Why not just use them as the new Vets (Regarding DC)?

whitedragon wrote:You just play Space Marines...

This really seems to be the solution to every problem. Bad codex? No codex? Army nerfed? Army no longer supported? No problem! Just play Space Marines.

Booyah Abby!

Uhhhhh.... Forgive my noob-ness. What are the Sternguard and where are the rules for them.

Just asking and curious.

brotherskeeper74 wrote:Uhhhhh.... Forgive my noob-ness. What are the Sternguard and where are the rules for them.

Just asking and curious.

Sternguard are the "shooty" version of the Space Marines Veterans. They are an Elites choice featured in the unreleased Space Marines 5th Edition Codex.

Thx

whitedragon wrote:Booyah Abby!

Ha!

More like "Boo-hoo Abby!"