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Hi all, its pretty quiet today, but the following is reported regarding the upcoming IG codex.

-Return of the Griffon mortar carrier and other "old units"
-New weapon options for Sentinels and a sprue recut with the new options added.
-Sentinels are said to be split into 2 diffent FOC options based on weapon loadouts (basically heavier armed ones won't be able to scout)
-New Sanctioned Psykers
-New Ratling Snipers
-May 2nd release for the codex and other initial offering.

I like the return of the Griffon tank back

So Sentinals with lascannons will compete with Leman Russes for heavy support slots? Sentinals must not be getting a new kit then.

If the Setinels points value drops then Leman Russ for Sentinel Squadron may be a fair exchange. If by heavier weapons they mean Multi-melta and Lascannon options it'sll be ok, and quite thematic for my Drop troops.

Hopefully 3 Sentinals with heavy weapons will cost less than a kitted Leman Russ, as an incentive to use them over the much more durable Russ. If your army is going to use mostly men but you still need the firepower than some cheap sentinels to back you up would be nice.

The rumor is plasma cannons an option.

Does any body know how manny griffons do you need to make a apoclypse template.

They're three to a squadron and ten to a company IIRC if that helps. At least they used to be in 2nd edition.

The support sentinels will also most likely count as a fast attack choice. Somehow I doubt that those strutters will be thrown into the heavy support section, not when new tank variants are on the horizon.

see: Imperial Armour 3

-Return of the Griffon mortar carrier and other "old units"

My fingers are crossed for some RT/2nd edition units like Beastmen, penal troopers and human bombs.
The rest doesn't really stand out for me. Hopefully they'll rethink the advisor's special rules and point costs and drop the large heavy weapon bases if we want to without anyone crying foul.

I really like the heavy weapons bases. They add allot of modeling possibilities to a guard army. I hope they stay. I do however agree that they should not be mandatory and should make note that it is acceptable to use them both ways. Why someone would want to not use them is beyond me. As I think they look silly without them IMHO but each to their own.

Just My 2 cents...

why would anyone not want to use the modeling bases for heavy weapons teams? well lets see,

-Two seperate models dont get hosed by blast and template weapons
-Easier to place models in cover
-Easier to store and trasport the models
-People like me have lots of old school heavy weapons teams, which are all two man teams on seperate bases.

I like the bases too for aesthetic reasons, but they arent that great gaming wise.

and why would they get rid of them? they have plastic molds built for them, it doesnt make any sense to make new plastic heavy weapon teams.

However, I am stoked about the griffon! That is a cool model IMO, plus very useful.

Also, they did not say that sentinal would be heavy support, just that more heavily equiped sentinals would be unable to scout. They could be taken in HQ or Fast as now, or who knows, maybe even as troops if they make a Enginseer special character llike the big mek with orcs.

BrookM wrote:The support sentinels will also most likely count as a fast attack choice.

I agree, and this makes the most sense... I think the only difference would be Scout vs no Scout.
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Flagg07 wrote:

-Return of the Griffon mortar carrier and other "old units"

My fingers are crossed for some RT/2nd edition units like Beastmen, penal troopers and human bombs.

Same. Beastmen as Elites, please.

Penal Troopers / Human Bombs would be Conscripts w/ Demo Charges, and far more flavorful than the current Conscript unit.

Other old units could be Squats (longshot) and Exterminator (very likely).

The remaining question is whether we get FW stuff like Salamanders and Vanquishers.

yes, griffon and vanquisher, please
But would it be too much to ask for proper rules and pt values as well?

JohnHwangDD wrote:

BrookM wrote:The support sentinels will also most likely count as a fast attack choice.

I agree, and this makes the most sense... I think the only difference would be Scout vs no Scout.
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Flagg07 wrote:

-Return of the Griffon mortar carrier and other "old units"

My fingers are crossed for some RT/2nd edition units like Beastmen, penal troopers and human bombs.

Same. Beastmen as Elites, please.

Penal Troopers / Human Bombs would be Conscripts w/ Demo Charges, and far more flavorful than the current Conscript unit.

Other old units could be Squats (longshot) and Exterminator (very likely).

The remaining question is whether we get FW stuff like Salamanders and Vanquishers.

Please!

As much as I'd love to see it too (especially Beastmen!) there is NO way it is going to happen in the current GW environment!

You might as well wish for the return of the armory and to keep doctrines too!

Why waste your time making new sanctioned psycher models? Brian Nelson did the current ones and they are brilliant sculpts. *sigh* What a waste of manpower.

Perhaps the pyskers are getting awesome new models?

Didn't psykers have cool models before? You just never saw them because of the rules?

Surely with new Psyker models they will be making his rules actually better?

I've said it plenty of times as well, i'm praying for sentinels with two weapons!

I remember a time when I thought new models = better rules.

Then C:CSM happened.

It'll be nice to see Psykers that have more than one pose.

Yes. They'll now have 2 poses.

BYE

And still roll on a random table for their powers. Because that works so well for possessed, and is totally fluffy.

It's hard to pose a dude in a robe. Robes aren't really the most versatile hunks of plastic.

JohnHwangDD wrote:

BrookM wrote:The support sentinels will also most likely count as a fast attack choice.

I agree, and this makes the most sense... I think the only difference would be Scout vs no Scout.

Nay, the big difference being that the support Sentinels will either have missile launchers or rocket launchers most likely, giving people craving for light infantry armies more fitting indirect fire support other than mortars or that stray Basilisk.

Ten to one though the "die-hard IG experts" will decry these new support units as either:
- overpriced
- useless
- a waste of design resources

Maybe all of the above if really full of piss and vinegar. Which is always I guess.

Oh, wait! When GW officially announces the new Sentinel kit and shows off some nice pictures of it some runtflaps will tell you that the kit is overpriced, that they can easily create the variants their selves for less money and that everybody should do so as well. Emperor forbid you take the easy way out now!

Whoa!

Eat some breakfast or something!

What if one of the sentinal types joins the troop choice and the other stays fast attack, not like IG will ever use all 6 Troop slots in a FOC.

@ BrookM: 'runtflaps' isn't even in my trusty Profanisaurus. I take my hat off to you, sir!

@BrookM: To be perfectly honest, I'd much rather Guard got Beastmen over Plasma Cannon Sentinels. Or LP&CCW Conscripts. Or workable HtH Ogyns.

An extra weapon option in a largely shooty army adds very little to the army capability. But a bit of Kroot-level HtH would be nice to round things out a touch.

But if we're getting new Sentinels, I'll buy them.

Guard beastmen are unfluffy and stupid. They go directly against the current fluff of the game. The only reason they ever existed was because of a limited and bad old model range that also saw tyranid warriors using bolters and space marines using shurikan catapults. They should never see the light of day again.

As for the ratlings, how about we get some good human snipers before getting the stupid dungeons and dragons halflings with a bad looking minirifle.

ShumaGorath wrote:Guard beastmen are unfluffy and stupid. They go directly against the current fluff of the game. The only reason they ever existed was because of a limited and bad old model range that also saw tyranid warriors using bolters and space marines using shurikan catapults. They should never see the light of day again.

As for the ratlings, how about we get some good human snipers before getting the stupid dungeons and dragons halflings with a bad looking minirifle.

QFT