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So, just a repost from what Ive seen at Warseer/BoLS so that the rumours can be discussed here as well:

- 15 models for Legion of the damned are released in january or so.
- Blood Angels are getting a facelift.
- Dark Eldar and Necron are getting redone. Brimstone mentiones that Dark Eldar will be upon us end 2010 at the soonest.
- Plastic Tyranid are not getting redone, metal Tyranid are in for plastification. The Trygon is more or less confirmed.
- Black Templar have to wait for their update.
- Ordo Xenos is not on the list at the moment.

These are the highlights for me. I wasnt there, so others feel free to add. I might update this post with relevant info.

Pictures anyone?

Cilithan

Lost and the Damned or Legion of the Damned?

Legion, thanks for spotting that. Freudian slip there, I guess I was subconciously wishing it to be the other one...

Cili

I love how Tyranids are next to be released and yet they have the least news available about them. GG, GW.

I've been hearing that Dark Eldar will be redone for so long now I find it really hard to actually believe this rumour.

But if Brimstone has it on authority that DE are being redone than I will consider it as fact.

He, in the past, has never said something was going to happen that didn't.

Apparently 2 sculptors having to redo an entire army? That's around 14-16 units, possibly more plus all variety of troopers within said units. I'm pretty sure even Jes can't crank out his usual standard of models in a few days time. I bet it takes him weeks to perfect just one model, let alone the 60+ (speculation for arguments sake) that he'll probably end up sculpting for the new DE.

Have faith, if GW wanted to Squat them they'd have done so by now.

Would love to see Dark Eldar redone. They have bearly been touched since 3rd ed. launch and sorely need a reboot. It's a shame too, because the range has such potential.

Personally I'm excited for the LotD. Been a Damned fan ever since I read about them in the 2nd ed. Codex Ultramarines

"Hey Rocky, watch me pull some Dark Eldar out of my design studio!"
"Again? That trick never works!"

Giving a date so far out (effectively 2011) makes me think it will change, and probably not for the better. I assume this info places Necrons after Dark Eldar.

Cilithan wrote:
- Ordo Xenos is not on the list at the moment.

That's no highlight for me!

It makes me sad...

Legion of the Damned? Should provide good conversion fodder, I suppose.

Anyway, thanks for the update!

insaniak wrote:"Hey Rocky, watch me pull some Dark Eldar out of my design studio!"
"Again? That trick never works!"

GW really needs to just shut up about Dark Eldar.

Talk is cheap, especially considering the way they have dealt with the DE and the almost "baiting" that such rumors feel like at this point.

When you have something to actually show us and can give a launch date then by all means, but until then seriously...

Which probably places Tau after Necrons, late in 2011 at the earliest.

If that happens GW had better not release a 6th edition rules until 2015 at the earliest.

More sad news concerning Ordo Xenos:

nejor wrote:

Someone asked about Ordo Xeno: he looked very surprised someone still remembered it and said he was not on the to-do list at all.

Ugh! Talk about as far from the reaction that I'd wish they'd have!

Surprised?

Really?

Kilkrazy wrote:Which probably places Tau after Necrons, late in 2011 at the earliest.

If that happens GW had better not release a 6th edition rules until 2015 at the earliest.

How are they going to fill the intervening four years?

George Spiggott wrote:

Kilkrazy wrote:Which probably places Tau after Necrons, late in 2011 at the earliest.

If that happens GW had better not release a 6th edition rules until 2015 at the earliest.

How are they going to fill the intervening four years?

By my count there's at least 994 chapters that need codexes.


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DeluX wrote:Would love to see Dark Eldar redone. They have bearly been touched since 3rd ed. launch and sorely need a reboot. It's a shame too, because the range has such potential.

Personally I'm excited for the LotD. Been a Damned fan ever since I read about them in the 2nd ed. Codex Ultramarines

Y'know pretty much every idea from the Pan Fo on up 'has potential'. But if after 10 years the DE have not shown any signs of fulfilling that potential it might be time to let them go.

So does that facelift thing mean that BA are getting a codex of their own after the Tyranid release or just a few model releases?

Apparently in the GW newsletter. Pic taken from Warseer. So check your emails folks.

Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Y'know pretty much every idea from the Pan Fo on up 'has potential'. But if after 10 years the DE have not shown any signs of fulfilling that potential it might be time to let them go.

Yeah you'd think after all these DE codex re-vamps they could get this army to work

Kid_Kyoto wrote:By my count there's at least 994 chapters that need codexes.

Don't even joke.

Awesome to see Legion of the Damned models again, I remember owning the box set from years ago

Fateweaver wrote:But if Brimstone has it on authority that DE are being redone than I will consider it as fact.

He, in the past, has never said something was going to happen that didn't..

Aside from when Brimstone said that Dark Eldar were in the works more than a year ago (meaning that we would have gotten DE more than 9 months ago)...

But who knows, maybe his GW contact was just ficking with him?
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George Spiggott wrote:Giving a date so far out (effectively 2011) makes me think it will change, and probably not for the better.

I assume this info places Necrons after Dark Eldar.

Nids are January for Q1 2010, and BA are April or May for Q2, leaving Q3 and Q4 open. GW doesn't do more than 3 armies a year, so if Q4 is an army release, then Q3 is something "special" for summer. The thing is, that something is hard to say what that would be. More Apoc? Or perhaps a sorely-needed missions supplement for 5E? Perhaps a Jungle book to complement Planetstrike & Cities of Death? Or even a Kill Team / Combat Patrol bridge from AoBR to regular 40k? The mind boggles.

What makes you think that DE would appear before Necrons? Necrons are a rules mess and need cleanup. Necrons have a decent base of plastics to build off and are probably the only remaining mixed-metal army left. So given GW's recent strategy towards grabbing the lowest-hanging fruit possible. Also, Necrons are clearly older with a 2002 Codex, whereas DE were updated in 2003.
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Kilkrazy wrote:Which probably places Tau after Necrons, late in 2011 at the earliest.

If that happens GW had better not release a 6th edition rules until 2015 at the earliest.

Tau Empire came out it 2006! It's practically a NEW Codex, so no whining allowed until at least 2012. What should likely happen is that Eldar leapfrog the Tau and jump one spot earlier in the cycle, probably right after Necrons.

New Rulebooks don't hurt anybody, but they increase clarity for everybody, so I don't know why you're opposed to regular rules refreshes. 40k6 should come out in 2012 (4 years after 40k5 released). GW learned their lesson not to hold up rulebook updates in the 3E - TAR/TVR - 4E transition. Of course, we should expect 40k7 no sooner than 2015, but 2016 is more likely...

In the works doesn't mean a set date. 2 men resculpting the entire range is going to take time. I'm sure GW are not going to rush their best sculptors.

Brim's never been wrong before as far as rumors. With GW's clamping down it's very rare that he gets to reveal anything. I'll take whatever bits I can get.

If you're going to give him 2 or 3 years to be "right", I hardly see the point.

With my amazing powers of prediction, I predict that Black Templars will get an update.

Eldar, too.

Amazing!
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BTW, this is what was actually reported on DE & Necrons per BoLS:

Lomtoc_Sabbath wrote:No good news from the DE and necron front: i asked him personally, we talked for 15 mins but he said that they are going them to do but not vey early so basically its for October-november 2010 / january/february 2011...

DE and Necrons are NOT confirmed for Q4 2010 and Q1 2011, but rather it's more of the same "at least a year from now" stuff that we've seen over, and over, and over, and over again.

Alpharius wrote:

nejor wrote:
Someone asked about Ordo Xeno: he looked very surprised someone still remembered it and said he was not on the to-do list at all.

Ugh! Talk about as far from the reaction that I'd wish they'd have!
Surprised?
Really?

Possibly more surprised that people were still asking about it (rather than they they remembered it) given that they said 4 or 5 years ago that Xenos wouldn't get their own book, but would instead be included when they got around to redoing the Inquisition as a single book.

Then again, they said back in 2003 (at GD Oz) that they were working on Eldar (DE, Craftworld Eldar and Harlequins) as a whole so that their codexes could be released relatively close together and with consistent fluff and rules. So take anything the studio says with a grain of salt, really.

JohnHwangDD wrote:What makes you think that DE would appear before Necrons? Necrons are a rules mess and need cleanup. Necrons have a decent base of plastics to build off and are probably the only remaining mixed-metal army left. So given GW's recent strategy towards grabbing the lowest-hanging fruit possible. Also, Necrons are clearly older with a 2002 Codex, whereas DE were updated in 2003.

Why DE then Necrons? Because Jez Goodwin said he was working on Dark Eldar in a podcast a couple of months ago. GW have said squat about Necrons up until now.

That Dark Eldar revision was 2002, the same year as the Necron book. That's all moot anyway because we both know that 'age of codex' and 'rules quality' are red herrings and have nothing to do with a codex being revised. I understand that the big summer release next year will be WHFB (and army books for the two armies contained in the box) with The Hobbit being the year after (and no doubt the year after that too), probably Xmas as the film is due in November. If that's the case then late 2010 may be the first slot for a 40k release after Blood Angels.
I wouldn't be overly surprised if Dark Angels v2 or Black Templars v2 or something equally unworthy filled that slot though. Saturday 09/10/10 is the Dark Eldar release date. I can smell it.

Jes (and Phil) were said to be working on DE more than a year ago. Under the watchful eye of the GW's Inquisition, Phil has since disavowed such progress.

And as the other poster noted, DE were rumored to follow the Eldar update in 2006.

So far, I've never lost betting against the DE, so I don't know why "this time, it's different".

JohnHwangDD wrote:Jes (and Phil) were said to be working on DE more than a year ago. Under the watchful eye of the GW's Inquisition, Phil has since disavowed such progress.

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say you have absolutely no source for this, do you? You've finally resorted to siting hearsay that was neither heard nor said.

I mean if the codex is coming down the chute in a year or so, with a project as large as DE (basically a whole new army), I think it's more than safe to say that it's been in the works for some time now.

@Archonate: Please feel free to comb through the Dakka News & Rumors Archives, because it's definitely in there.

Phil has admitted that he hasn't yet written the DE Codex, which completely demolishes the previous claim that he was working on it.

The Codex is NOT coming out in a year or so - read the source quotes (which I was kind enough to provide).

I think you're self-delusional if you think DE are going to be here in time for Yakface not to pay out on our wager.

But no way am I doing your homework for you.


However, as you appear to feel so strongly, you tell me this:

What makes this time different?

Why should we disbelieve the first-hand report of someone who was actually at GD Italy, who says that the DE/Necron situation is NOT good, that DE & Necrons are at least a year away.

What makes "working on them" today different from "working on them" over a year ago when I agreed to a wager with Yakface?

Or roughly a year and a half ago, when the Haemonculi greens were shown at GD Spain?

Tell us, inquiring minds want to know!

Because "Everything You Have Been Told Is A Lie"
*Releases Space Hulk*

Interesting - and just as interesting is how tight-lipped GW are about forthcoming releases. Look how little lead-time we got on the new Skaven plastics. While that seems to annoy people here (as if they're under some kind of obligation to leak news about new releases - why?), GW must have worked out that keeping it back until the last minute is good for sales.

I don't know what to read into the simple comment that '...Necrons are getting redone'. Is it a confirmation that this is in progress, or a statement of future intent? I'm guessing we'll see the Necrons re-done before the DE appear. And, while I like the DE (and used to play them), I'd prefer to see the Necrons fixed before the DE. I still have my doubts about whether they can really give the DE a distinct place in the game, both in terms of gameplay and in terms of the fluff - both of which have always been a bit one-dimensional. The Necron rules are now a mess, and they need to be fixed. As the 'undead' of WH40k, there is plenty of potential there, and they could be a fully rounded army once they're given some more units and a fleshed-out codex. From a modelling angle, all they need is a plastic Tomb Spyder, perhaps a plastic Lord (with options, assuming the Lord is going to become more customisable), and perhaps another Heavy Support choice in kit form. We'd all like to see the Monolith re-done, but I doubt that's going to happen.

I assume the nid codex will be accompanied by a plastic Hive Tyrant, plastic Gargoyles and the Trygon. That would leave only a few units in metal. I wonder if they'll have another go at making the Biovore look decent? It's always been a horrible model.