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With the release of the Space Wolves Games Workshop FAQ, a lot of people have noticed... similarities, to my Unofficial Codex: Space Wolves FAQ. With that In mind I decided to scour the GW FAQ to find out what had been taken and to my surprise, several sections have been completely copypasted, with absolutely no attribution. :(

The sections copypasted are detailed below, with the copypasted bits highlighted for you:

GW FAQ:
Q. If a Wolf Guard Pack Leader has joined a unit of Troops, does that unit cease to be a scoring unit? And does the Wolf Guard cease to count as an Elite model?
[...]

My FAQ:
SW.86.08 – Q: If a Wolf Guard Pack Leader has joined a unit of Troops, does that unit cease to be a Scoring Unit?
A: No. [R.a.W]
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GW FAQ:
Q. Does Jaws of the World Wolf allow the Rune Priest to target specific models within squads?
A. Yes.

My FAQ:
SW.37.11 – Q: Does “Jaws of the World Wolf” allow the Space Wolf player to target specific models within squads?
A: Yes. [R.a.W]
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GW FAQ:
Q. Can a Wolf Guard Pack that has nine Wolf Guard and Arjac Rockfist take a second heavy weapon?
A. Yes, as it is for ‘every five models’, not ‘every five Wolf Guard’.

My FAQ:
SW.86.04 – Q: Can a Wolf Guard Pack that has nine Wolf Guard and Arjac Rockfist take a second Heavy Weapon?
A: Yes, as it is for “every five models”, not “every five Wolf Guard”. [R.a.W]
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GW FAQ:
Q. How is the points cost for Lukas the Trickster calculated?
A. Lukas the Trickster costs the number of points in the options list (140) in addition to the base cost of a Blood Claw model (15).

My FAQ:
SW.89.03 – Q: How is the points cost for Lukas the Trickster calculated?
A: Lukas the Trickster costs the number of points in the Options list in addition to the base cost of a Blood Claw Model. [R.a.W]
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GW FAQ:
Q. If The Last Laugh removes a transport vehicle that has models embarked, are the embarked models also lost?
A. Yes.

My FAQ:
SW.52.03 – Q: If “The Last Laugh” removes a Transport vehicle that has models embarked, are the embarked models also lost?
A: Yes. [Clarification]
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GW FAQ:
Q. How does the Pelt of the Doppegangrel work?
A. Under normal circumstances, the Pelt of the Doppegangrel will only work if Lukas the Trickster is on his own(i.e. his Blood Claw buddies have all been killed off). Models with an ability to specifically target a certain model (e.g. a Vindicare Assassin) must re-roll all successful to hit rolls if targeting Lukas. The same ruling applies in close combat. Unless the enemy has a specific special rule allowing them to allocate attacks to specific models in close combat, Lukas cannot be targeted separately unless he is on his own. He really is that slippery a customer!

My FAQ:
SW.52.06 – Q: How exactly does the “Pelt of the Doppegangrel” work?
A: Under normal circumstances, the “Pelt of the Doppegangrel” will only work if Lukas the Trickster is on his own(i.e. his squad has all been killed off). Models with an ability to specifically target a certain model (e.g. Vindicare Assassin or Eldar Farseer using “Mind War”) must re-roll all successful To Hit rolls if targeting Lukas. The same situation applies in close combat. However, unless the enemy has a specific special rule allowing them to allocate attacks to specific models in close combat, he cannot be targeted separately unless he is on his own. [R.a.W]
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GW FAQ:
Q. How do Njal Stormcaller’s Driving Gale and Living Hurricane effects work if the Space Wolves player is the player going second?
A. These two abilities have no real effect in games where the Space Wolves player is going second – the tempest is yet to rage.

SW.53.04 – Q: How do the “Driving Gale” and “Living Hurricane” effects work if the Space Wolf Player is the player going second in the first game turn?
A: The two abilities have no real effect in games where the Space Wolf player is going second on the first game turn. [R.a.W]
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GW FAQ:
Q. Can units that Ragnar Blackmane has joined run in the Shooting phase or fire weapons that would prevent them from launching an assault in the following Assault Phase?
A. Yes, they may. Insane Bravado states that they must assault only ‘if possible’. If it is not possible because of the unit's actions in the Shooting phase or some other reason, then they simply do not assault.

My FAQ:
SW.55.01 – Q: Can units that Ragnar Blackmane has joined Run in the Shooting phase or fire weapons that would prevent them from launching an assault in the following Assault Phase?
A: Yes, they may. “Insane Bravado” states that they must assault only “if possible”. If it is not possible because of the unit's actions in the Shooting phase or some other reason, then they simply do not assault. [R.a.W]
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GW FAQ:
Q. Is the +1 Toughness from a Thunderwolf Mount considered bonus Toughness, i.e. the model becomes Toughness 4(5), or is it a modification to the base characteristic, i.e. the model becomes Toughness 5?
A. Unusually for such bonuses, it is a modification to the base characteristic. [...]

My FAQ:
SW.62.08 – Q: Is the +1 Toughness from a Thunderwolf Mount bonus toughness (i.e. The model becomes Toughness 4(5) ) or is it a modification to the base characteristic (i.e. The model becomes Toughness 5)?
A: It is a modification to the base characteristic (so a model with a Thunderwolf Mount is Toughness 5). [Clarification]
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GW FAQ:
Q. Can you clarify how The Leaders of the Pack works exactly?
A. The rules for selecting Sagas are detailed on page 64. As for wargear, no two HQ characters, including Special Characters, may have the exact same wargear and Weapons, even if they are different HQ units. Note that Fenrisian Wolves bought as wargear are included in this check, so if you had two otherwise identical Wolf Guard Battle Leaders, save that one has one Fenrisian Wolf and the other has two, then you are technically obeying this rule just fine. For the record, the intent of the rule is that you should field characterful and diverse heroes in your army, not identical clones with but an extra melta bomb to set them apart. Though we cannot really enforce players to embrace this attitude, the Codex does try to encourage it wherever possible.

Q. Can you clarify how The Leaders of the Pack works with regards to psychic powers?
A. No number of Rune Priests may share the exact same two psychic powers. For example, a Rune Priest may choose to take Living Lightning and Thunderclap. A second Rune Priest may then choose to take Living Lighting and Jaws of the World Wolf, as he will not have the same two psychic powers as the first Rune Priest. Note that the restriction on weapons and wargear still applies, so you have to have each Rune Priest with a unique wargear selection. Also note that Njal Stormcaller knows all seven powers rather than just two, so no other Rune Priest can end up having the same powers. Thus it is permitted to take Njal Stormcaller alongside other Rune Priests.

My FAQ:
SW.81.01 – Q: Can you clarify how “The Leaders of the Pack” works exactly?
A: When selecting HQ characters, no two models may share the same Saga. Special Characters do not count as having a Saga for this purpose (So for example, a generic Wolf Lord may take the “Saga of Majesty” even if Logan Grimnar is in the army.)

No two HQ characters, including Special Characters, may have the exact same Wargear and Weapons, even if they are different HQ units. For example, an army that includes Ragnar Blackmane may not have a Wolf Guard Battle Leader that is equipped with a Wolftooth Necklace, Wolf Tail Talisman, Frost Blade, Meltabombs and the “Saga of the Warrior Born” (as well as the standard equipment remaining), as this would result in two characters having the exact same wargear and weapons. If you were to remove the Meltabombs from the Wolf Guard Battle Leader though, it would be a legal selection. Note that Fenrisian Wolves bought as wargear are included in this check, so to take two otherwise identical Wolf Guard Battle Leaders, save that one has one Fenrisian Wolf and the other has two, is a legal selection.

No number of Rune Priests may share the same two Psychic Powers. For example, a Rune Priest may choose to take Living Lightning and Thunderclap. A second Rune Priest may then choose to take Living Lighting and Jaws of the World Wolf,as neither have the same two Psychic powers. A third Rune Priest however may not select Thunderclap and Living Lighting, as the first Rune Priest has those Powers. Note that the restriction on Weapons and Wargear still applies, so you have to have each Rune Priest with a unique wargear selection. Also note that as Njal knows all seven powers rather than just two, no other Rune Priest can end up having the same Powers, thus it is permitted to take Njal Stormcaller with another Rune Priest. [Clarification]
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GW FAQ:
Q. Are Wolf Guard Packs genuine Troops selections in the Force Organisation chart instead of Elites when fielded in an army with Logan Grimnar? If so, is this optional?
A. Yes, they count as Troops and take up Troops Force Organisation Chart Selections. This is not an optional choice, so you can have at most six Wolf Guard Packs in an army with Logan Grimnar.

My FAQ:
SW.82.01 – Q: Are Wolf Guard Packs Troops selections in the Force Organisation chart instead of Elites in an army with Logan Grimnar? If so is this Optional?
A: Yes, they count as Troops and take up Troops Force Organisation Chart Selections. Furthermore, this is not an optional choice, so you can have at most six Wolf Guard Packs in an army with Logan Grimnar and three in an army without. [R.a.W]
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GW FAQ:
Q. Similarly, are Fenrisian Wolf Packs Troops selections in the Force Organisation chart instead of Fast Attack in an army with Canis Wolfborn? If so is this optional?
A. Yes, they count as Troops and take up Troops Force Organisation Chart Selections. Again, this is not an optional choice, so you can have at most six Fenrisian Wolf Packs in an army with Canis Wolfborn. You could in theory have an army primarily composed of wolves, though you’d not be able to claim objectives because of their Supernumerary rule, so you’d better be prepared for a lot of draws…

My FAQ:
SW.83.01 – Q: Are Fenrisian Wolf Packs Troops selections in the Force Organisation chart instead of Fast Attack in an army with Canis Wolfborn? If so is this Optional?
A: Yes, they count as Troops and take up Troops Force Organisation Chart Selections. Furthermore, this is not an optional choice, so you can have at most six Fenrisian Wolf Packs in an army with Canis Wolfborn and three in an army without. [R.a.W]
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GW FAQ:
Q. Must a Grey Hunter unit that consists of ten models take the first special weapon at normal points cost in order to take the second free one?
A. Yes.

My FAQ:
SW.89.01 – Q: Must a Grey Hunter unit that consists of ten models have to take the first special weapon at normal points cost to take the second free one?
A: Yes. [R.a.W]

So, there you have it. Gwar! "officially" has more say over rules issues than 99.99% of Dakka.

Furious charge apparently works with counter charge. I did not expect that ruling.

Heh, awesome. Completely missed that one.

Shame they didn't fix Bjorns Save though :(

Multiple JotWW is allowed after all. :(

...and I was right, it's a shooting attack so it needs line of sight.

It's not the power itself that bothers me... it's the fact they can take 4 HQ's. Nothing like taking a stabilizing game mechanic, pissing on it and tossing it in the trash. I'm referring to the FOC chart by the way.

I have such a love/hate relationship with Codex: Space Wolves. :(

oni wrote:...and I was right, it's a shooting attack so it needs line of sight.

TBH, it needs line of sight to a target, not to the unit affected by the power. Another fine example of GW pissing on clear rules via FAQ

Just shows that GW don't play test enough before they print a codex, but its good that they have actually done something about it.

Playtesting, what's that?

oni wrote:Multiple JotWW is allowed after all. :(

...and I was right, it's a shooting attack so it needs line of sight.

It's not the power itself that bothers me... it's the fact they can take 4 HQ's. Nothing like taking a stabilizing game mechanic, pissing on it and tossing it in the trash. I'm referring to the FOC chart by the way.

I have such a love/hate relationship with Codex: Space Wolves. :(

They've always had the multiple HQ rule, though, and it was even worse in the last codex (mandatory HQ every 750pts or so, so you had to run 3 HQs at 2k). JotWW isn't that broken, anyways.

Almost every army has some instance of taking a standard rule and creating a special exception. Why would SW be different?

aka_mythos wrote:Almost every army has some instance of taking a standard rule and creating a special exception. Why would SW be different?

You're absolutely right and it's a problem.

Why is that a problem?

Nurglitch wrote:Why is that a problem?

No idea.

Oni, if you think special rules are a problem, try playing chess.

Actually, no, because Knights have a special rule, so that's no good.

How about Checkers? No, wait, sorry, Kings have special rules.

Gwar! wrote:

Nurglitch wrote:Why is that a problem?

No idea.

Oni, if you think special rules are a problem, try playing chess.

Actually, no, because Knights have a special rule, so that's no good.

How about Checkers? No, wait, sorry, Kings have special rules.

Oh Gwar! YOU SO FUNNY!

Gwar! wrote:

oni wrote:...and I was right, it's a shooting attack so it needs line of sight.

TBH, it needs line of sight to a target, not to the unit affected by the power. Another fine example of GW pissing on clear rules via FAQ

It states that it needs line of site to the first model in line to be affected by the power, all the others behind it are affected collaterally.

The Rune Priest must
have line of sight to the first model that the
power affects – in effect he is treated as the target
model; the power just happens to hit everybody
else on its way through!

I believe that this means you cannot Jaws one unit while the Priest's unit shoots/assaults another unit. As the FAQ states that the first model hit by the power is "treated as the target model," and JOTWW is a shooting power.

Saldiven wrote:

Gwar! wrote:

oni wrote:...and I was right, it's a shooting attack so it needs line of sight.

TBH, it needs line of sight to a target, not to the unit affected by the power. Another fine example of GW pissing on clear rules via FAQ

It states that it needs line of site to the first model in line to be affected by the power, all the others behind it are affected collaterally.

The Rune Priest must
have line of sight to the first model that the
power affects – in effect he is treated as the target
model; the power just happens to hit everybody
else on its way through!

I believe that this means you cannot Jaws one unit while the Priest's unit shoots/assaults another unit. As the FAQ states that the first model hit by the power is "treated as the target model," and JOTWW is a shooting power.

The FAQ is wrong, plain and simple. Following the actual rules (that are clear as day) he needs LoS to an enemy model of some sort, but after that the line can be drawn wherever he wants.

oni wrote:Multiple JotWW is allowed after all. :(

...and I was right, it's a shooting attack so it needs line of sight.

It's not the power itself that bothers me... it's the fact they can take 4 HQ's. Nothing like taking a stabilizing game mechanic, pissing on it and tossing it in the trash. I'm referring to the FOC chart by the way.

I have such a love/hate relationship with Codex: Space Wolves. :(

that's why one of the local events uses modified kill points
2 points for hq's elites fast and heavy and 1 for troops and transports.
so you wrap up 8 kill points in your 4 hq's


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Gwar! wrote:

Saldiven wrote:

Gwar! wrote:

oni wrote:...and I was right, it's a shooting attack so it needs line of sight.

TBH, it needs line of sight to a target, not to the unit affected by the power. Another fine example of GW pissing on clear rules via FAQ

It states that it needs line of site to the first model in line to be affected by the power, all the others behind it are affected collaterally.

The Rune Priest must
have line of sight to the first model that the
power affects – in effect he is treated as the target
model; the power just happens to hit everybody
else on its way through!

I believe that this means you cannot Jaws one unit while the Priest's unit shoots/assaults another unit. As the FAQ states that the first model hit by the power is "treated as the target model," and JOTWW is a shooting power.

The FAQ is wrong, plain and simple. Following the actual rules (that are clear as day) he needs LoS to an enemy model of some sort, but after that the line can be drawn wherever he wants.

FAQ's are never wrong unless they are re FAQ'd

Gwar! wrote:The FAQ is wrong, plain and simple. Following the actual rules (that are clear as day) he needs LoS to an enemy model of some sort, but after that the line can be drawn wherever he wants.

It can't be wrong just because you disagree with it

bhsman wrote:

Gwar! wrote:The FAQ is wrong, plain and simple. Following the actual rules (that are clear as day) he needs LoS to an enemy model of some sort, but after that the line can be drawn wherever he wants.

It can't be wrong just because you disagree with it

It isn't wrong because I disagree with it.

It's wrong because it's, well, not right, when you actually play by the rules.

Q. Does Arjac Rockfist confer the Stubborn
ability to his unit?
A. No, as he is not an Independent Character.
Arjac’s Stubborn ability only makes a difference
when he is on his own.

How does the Pelt of the Doppegangrel work?
A. Under normal circumstances, the Pelt of the
Doppegangrel will only work if Lukas the
Trickster is on his own (i.e. his Blood Claw
buddies have all been killed off)...

Then why on Earth did you bother? Oh God I hate GW.

DarkHound wrote:Q. Does Arjac Rockfist confer the Stubborn
ability to his unit?
A. No, as he is not an Independent Character.
Arjac’s Stubborn ability only makes a difference
when he is on his own.

How does the Pelt of the Doppegangrel work?
A. Under normal circumstances, the Pelt of the
Doppegangrel will only work if Lukas the
Trickster is on his own (i.e. his Blood Claw
buddies have all been killed off)...

Then why on Earth did you bother? Oh God I hate GW.

lol Yea thats like having the option to take a bolt gun on a SM bike, when the bike itself has a MUCH better loadout already on it. Why the hell would you chose to shoot a boltgun over what the bike has. I dunno you figure it out

I also looked to see if they FAQ'd some Orks stuff, a couple mentions on the deff rolla, but nothing no one already knew lol. Basterds! I WANT MY WIN DAMMIT!

I'm glad to see that overall the new FAQ has been well received so far. There will always be at least a few detractors, nothing new there really.

G

KingCracker wrote:

DarkHound wrote:Q. Does Arjac Rockfist confer the Stubborn
ability to his unit?
A. No, as he is not an Independent Character.
Arjac’s Stubborn ability only makes a difference
when he is on his own.

How does the Pelt of the Doppegangrel work?
A. Under normal circumstances, the Pelt of the
Doppegangrel will only work if Lukas the
Trickster is on his own (i.e. his Blood Claw
buddies have all been killed off)...

Then why on Earth did you bother? Oh God I hate GW.

lol Yea thats like having the option to take a bolt gun on a SM bike, when the bike itself has a MUCH better loadout already on it. Why the hell would you chose to shoot a boltgun over what the bike has. I dunno you figure it out

I also looked to see if they FAQ'd some Orks stuff, a couple mentions on the deff rolla, but nothing no one already knew lol. Basterds! I WANT MY WIN DAMMIT!

I think he is referring to how these have been literally copypasted from my SW faq AT least I hope he is :p

AHHhhhhh doesnt that annoy you at least a little?? I read your FAQ, but since no one in my group is a SW player, I didnt pay much attention to it lol.

Q. Does Jaws of the World Wolf affect Jetbikes?
How about Artillery?
A. Yes, because ‘Jetbikes’ is a subcategory of the
‘Bike’ unit type. As for Artillery, the crew models
may be affected, but the gun models, being
vehicles, are not affected

This part is stupid, lol.

Yes, my Deffkoptas fall in the crack in the earth, oh wait, they're FLYING.

Gwar! wrote:I think he is referring to how these have been literally copypasted from my SW faq AT least I hope he is :p

Gwar! I think they're watching you. There's probably a van outside right now.
Don't look for it though, Jervis is likely inside with a large hammer ready to "fix" any mistakes in the rules.

n0t_u wrote:

Gwar! wrote:I think he is referring to how these have been literally copypasted from my SW faq AT least I hope he is :p

Gwar! I think they're watching you. There's probably a van outside right now.
Don't look for it though, Jervis is likely inside with a large hammer ready to "fix" any mistakes in the rules.

But because it's Jervis, it will only happen on a 4+

5+ if you play Dark Angels.

G

I like the clarification that Lucas can take out a Warlord Titan in one shot.

Really? I mean.....frickin' REALLY?! What the hell are these stasis capsules and why didn't someone use one on Horus?

Another thing people fail to realize is that JotWW is a LINE, not a plane. So if you target someone on the second level of a building, you won't hit guys that are in front, but at lower levels. The power isn't really all that good, and since they've clarified you DO have to pick a target, that saves a lot of CCs and also limits what the player can assault with the unit he's attached to.

Righty, included a handy comparison to prove GW are an evil thieving corporation

So does this mean I need to congratulate you on basically seeming to have single handedly sped up the entire GW FAQ process by doing most of the work for them...

...or need I offer condolences for them not even giving you an 'atta boy note?

You know this FAQ was put together by some underpaid schlub who just managed to have Gwar save him a bunch of work hours.