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From the ever awesome Harry from Warseer:

Harry wrote:At the risk of getting the cr@p kicked out of me ..... (after the whole "summer of fliers" thing)
I have heard scraps that suggest there may well be something going on with 'fliers'.

I have heard some snippets about :

a) A kit for a SM flier called a "Storm Hawk"
b) An Ork fighter kit (might have been a fighter/bomber?)
and
c) A 'fliers' supplement. (...as the first supplement to 6th Edition).

Now you have to remember I don't know so much about 40K OR follow 40K rumorz.
So .... I don't know:

a) If you have heard this already?
b) What I am talking about!

When I hear 40K stuff it really doesn't mean that much to me?
So I tried the google 'Storm Hawk' and found this:
(No idea of the original source ... I am sure someone hear will know if it was in a GW publication originally)

"The Storm Hawk is a smaller, more agile transport from the same design lineage as the Storm Bird. Used extensively for small operations, as the Heresy progressed much of the STC data to build the Storm Hawk was lost although the Mechanicum have kept copies so that if it were to fall completely out of service a variant could be reintroduced at a later date."

PLEASE REMEMBER THESE IS JUST RUMORZ

I have based this on the smallest scraps of information, from different places.
It is possible I have been mislead or I have put two and two together and come up with complete bobbins.

If this is true, some people owe an apology to stickmonkey

I hope it true

Yes!!! More planes!

What was the "Summer of Flyers" exactly? Was it a supplement like Apoc or CoD? Or were they just going to release a line of tabletop flyers, ala the fighter bomber, and shoehorn them in somehow/where?

yea.... after all the hypefor the summer of fliers, wich is oddley simaler to what your saying... that turned out to be utterly non existant... yea im not holding my breath. in fact i would go as far to say that this probally will not happen.

- summer of fliers was widley reported as acurate and turned out to be false.
- being included in 6th edition, or immedaitly after wards as a "supplement" = not likley since its never happened before.
- IF such a supplement did come, its unlikley we would get anything more then 1 or 2 small kits, and maybe a small rulebook. (wich given the current trend may just be WD) - look at cityfght, planetstrike, spearhead... all of them only released a few terrain bits and a few upgrade packs. spearhead i believe re-released existing models like the fire prisim.

therefore the odds of this rumor being anything other then an attempt at necro-ing an old rumor is pretty large. ill believe it when i see it.

Snrub wrote:What was the "Summer of Flyers" exactly? Was it a supplement like Apoc or CoD? Or were they just going to release a line of tabletop flyers, ala the fighter bomber, and shoehorn them in somehow/where?

"Summer of Flyers" was a rumour floating about Christmas 2010/early 2011 on a summer 2011 "expansion" (most people bet on a WD-expansion as with Spearhead) that would bring/test some Flyer-rules and be accompanied by the release of a few "Flyer-kits" for Codexes that didn't have one.

Stickmonkey famously expanded on the existing rumours in January 2011 with the following post

Stickmonkey wrote:
SM here, I debated posting anything, but some others have persuaded me. I have just a few things for the rumored summer of fliers I first mentioned here.

Still rumored as July wd rule set
Apoc style rules, strafing/bombing runs, rapid insertion/extraction, special missions, dogfighting?
Thunder hawk is NOT likely
Codex based releases...
Dark eldar raven
Eldar night wing?
Ig hydra
Nid harpy
Non codex releases...
Ig thunderbolt
Csm hell blade
Tau remora
No necron release?
Ork fighta/bomma
No SM release?

Suspected non codex releases will only be rules...models already FW...

Necrons may get something with their codex.

Raven/night wing likely to be combined kit.

So that's pretty limited, 3 kits and wd rules. But it sounds like it's in the typical wheelhouse.

Probably disappointing news to many, but in light of some of the other speculation running I decided to put some info out.

Evidently, that release never happened. But it may or may not have been in the planning at GW (or it may have been complete bogus). There's some suggestion that 6th Edition might have "Flyer-rules" to build on all those "Flyer-releases" (IG Valkyrie, SM Stormraven, DE Razorwing/Void Bomber, Necron Doom Scythe, etc..). Then again if, there's rumours now that it'll be the "first" 6th Edition expansion as Harry posted, it might be that 6th Edition will not get "flyer-rules" as default.

By and large, it looks to me like an idea that keeps on getting pushed backwards time and again in the GW-design team (that is, unless it is entirely a net-created rumour without any substance of course).

Summer of Flyers happened; was just for Fantasy instead (Dark Elf Dragon, Chaos Manticore, Chimera and a few others)

There were a lot of flyers released, just no rules. And most of the ones he mentions, he even says are FW models, and would be given rules, not new models.

It's easy to imagine this having gotten pushed back until after 6th edition, rather than releasing an expansion and immediately invalidating it with a new core ruleset.

Sounds plausible... not getting my hopes up, though

Harry's 40k rumors are always a bit interesting since he isnt in to 40k. A tad more believable I suppose but I'm taking it with just as much salt as I did with the summer fliers

Redemption wrote:

Harry wrote:At the risk of getting the cr@p kicked out of me ..... (after the whole "summer of fliers" thing)
I have heard scraps that suggest there may well be something going on with 'fliers'.

I have heard some snippets about :

a) A kit for a SM flier called a "Storm Hawk"



So I tried the google 'Storm Hawk' and found this:
(No idea of the original source ... I am sure someone hear will know if it was in a GW publication originally)

"The Storm Hawk is a smaller, more agile transport from the same design lineage as the Storm Bird. Used extensively for small operations, as the Heresy progressed much of the STC data to build the Storm Hawk was lost although the Mechanicum have kept copies so that if it were to fall completely out of service a variant could be reintroduced at a later date."

The Stormhawk could 'exist' as it was mentioned in "A thousand sons".

A few lines:

Page 303:
Two Stormbirds and a Stormhawk knifed through the clouds like swooping birds of prey....

Page 308:
..The Stormhawk slammed down in a hammer blow of burnt metal and sulphurous backwash.
....
took up their position before the -stormhawk's assault ramp.
....
The Stormhawk's ramp lowered with a whine of pneumatics,...


Or maybe an error occured and it should be a Stormbird.... but I'll accept a Stromhawk kit .....

Does anyone know the location of the rules for the Eldar Nightwing interceptor? (ie if they're on the interwebs somewhere, or which IA book they are in)

I would love to field one in my Eldar army, and I'm thinking of converting a Dark Eldar flyer (not that it'd take much other than adding some Eldar weapons in the place of the DE ones), as they are less that 50% the price of the FW Nightwings. (the one at my LGS is priced at $42.99 US)

AegisGrimm wrote:Does anyone know the location of the rules for the Eldar Nightwing interceptor? (ie if they're on the interwebs somewhere, or which IA book they are in)

I would love to field one in my Eldar army, and I'm thinking of converting a Dark Eldar flyer (not that it'd take much other than adding some Eldar weapons in the place of the DE ones), as they are less that 50% the price of the FW Nightwings. (the one at my LGS is priced at $42.99 US)

The current rules for the Nightwing (that have them being a fast skimmer in non-Apoc games) are in Imperial Armor 11...in the Eldar Corsair army list. And then in the IA11 Forgeworld FAQ they say those are the rules to use for standard Nightwings (outside of Corsair armies) as well.

I still question the logic behind a big WD release full of rules but no models aside from Forge World.

For a bit of confirmation bias, this may explain why the Tyranids didn't get the Harpy this past release.

We've been burned before, so salt.

AegisGrimm wrote:Does anyone know the location of the rules for the Eldar Nightwing interceptor? (ie if they're on the interwebs somewhere, or which IA book they are in)

Eldar Nightwing rules are in the Apocalypse main book.

Not to be confused with "Imperial Armor Apocalypse" pr "Apocalypse Reload" which are different books that don't contain the Night Wing.

Absolutionis wrote:
Eldar Nightwing rules are in the Apocalypse main book.

Not to be confused with "Imperial Armor Apocalypse" pr "Apocalypse Reload" which are different books that don't contain the Night Wing.

Those are the old 'flyer only' rules.

Imperial Armor 11 has the new rules that allow it to be used as a fast skimmer in non-Apoc games (along with the Phoenix).

Thanks guys! I have no cares to field anything along the lines of Apocolypse games, but I feel the occasional flyer or vehicle tends to spice things up.

Plus I've always loved the DE flyer, but I don't play DE. Recently I started a Eldar army, though, and lo and behold- a good reason arose!

It's a bummer it's just a glorified skimmer, though. Kept within reason, the old flyer rules like in the VDR rules were fun to use.

AegisGrimm wrote:Thanks guys! I have no cares to field anything along the lines of Apocolypse games, but I feel the occasional flyer or vehicle tends to spice things up.

Plus I've always loved the DE flyer, but I don't play DE. Recently I started a Eldar army, though, and lo and behold- a good reason arose!

It's a bummer it's just a glorified skimmer, though. Kept within reason, the old flyer rules like in the VDR rules were fun to use.

Then play an Apocalypse game...its a flyer there!

I mean really, they've made it so its the best of both worlds. You don't have the overpowered flyer rules in standard games of 40K (where you don't have crazy things like Titans, etc to deal with the flyers) and then in regular games of 40K you can use it as a fast skimmer, which puts it on par with the other fast skimmer 'flyer' type models currently in other codexes.

And I'm pretty sure in 6th edition they'll have some additional rules for these types of models as well since they're getting to be pretty common in the codexes now.

If true this is great news, I would love to have a Stormhawk for my Chaos Marines!

On the whole Apocalypse topic, there is no need to go all out in a game using the Apoc rules. My group plays Apoc games all the time and we rarely use titans or destroyer weapons.

Apocalypse is only as crazy as you make it.

True. I have a game-play question, though it's a bit off-topic for this thread.

Would playing "Apocolypse" games with just regular sized 2-3,000pt armies, just with small numbers of flyers and such added in, mess with any game-balance? I've never looked at the rules-is that even possible in the Apoc format?

Because I hate seeing an Eldar "fighter" become a glorified helicopter.

Aegis, no it won't kill game balance as long as both players know that flyers are going to be used.

That was kinda the point of my previous post. We have used flyers as low as 1850 points in our games.

impossible.

as soon as im playing apoc, the phantom and revenant duo are the first items in list. followed very shortley by my airforce of 2 void dragons, 2 nightwings and 2 ravens. therefore apocalypse must be nothing but spectacular and crazy with over powered and ridiculus models that defy the term "minature"

of course my friends try to one up me... imperial player with 2 reavers and 6 thunderbolts....

as soon as im playing apoc, the phantom and revenant duo are the first items in list. followed very shortley by my airforce of 2 void dragons, 2 nightwings and 2 ravens. therefore apocalypse must be nothing but spectacular and crazy with over powered and ridiculus models that defy the term "minature"

Cool, thanks for rules/game size the info. Funny as that is, Spader, it's all I ever hear spoken of Apoc games, lol. Hell, that's all GW even advertises them as .

Ok, back on topic, an Ork Fighta-Bomber would be cool to have in plastic. I'd like to see every major race have some sort of flier in an affordable version. I really don't see Space marines as needing something else, just open up Storm ravens to all SM codexes, or at least to vanillas.

AegisGrimm wrote:[Cool, thanks for rules/game size the info. Funny as that is, Spader, it's all I ever hear spoken of Apoc games, lol. Hell, that's all GW even advertises them as .

Well 40k itself is supposed to be a fun and casual "beer&pretzels" game, but there are some people that take it too far.

Snrub wrote:What was the "Summer of Flyers" exactly? Was it a supplement like Apoc or CoD? Or were they just going to release a line of tabletop flyers, ala the fighter bomber, and shoehorn them in somehow/where?

The 'Summer of Fliers' never came to fruition, but was a rumour that originated from Stickmonkey. He usually gets a lot of things right, especially regarding which models are coming, but his timing is usually way off. This is because he gets his rumours fairly early in the development cycle, so things like release dates are not yet fully realised. So it wouldn't suprise me if the 'Summer of Fliers' was actually an advance peek at this possible release.

again, i doubt it. even if gw did release some new plastic flier kits, its unlikley we would see a release across more then 2 armies at best, and not likley to be ones other then whats currently new, simply because GW has never done this before. the most recent "expansion" in spearhead saw a WD ruleset with downloadable additions, some IG upgrades and relaunches of exixsting product, and a re release of the fire prisim. not even anything "new" (unless you count pask as new)

for planet strike, all we got as a set of terrain in the bastion and some craters, and a rulebook.

city fight was again, just some terrain (the modular city buildings) and a rulebook.

so GW suddenly changing 15+ years of tac over 2 1/2 editions or more (i only recall back to mid 3rd early 4th) to release not only a new edition, but a new expansion for said edition, wich will also include a new kit for not only 1 army but at least 3? (thunderbolt/fightabomba/nightwing et al)??

history is NOT on the side of this rumor. i chose to disbelieve summer of fliers, and i choose to do so here. even if stick monkey has had some rumors correct, i believe hes had more wrong. if you shoot a shotgun into a haystack enough times youll probally hit the perverbial needle... but its a fluke if anything and by no means acurate. if stickmonkey would be so kind as to reveal his source, and proof said source is legit to back this rumor up ill change my tune and even eat my words.

with that said... im gonna go fill up on bread.

edit: whats likley is that we WILL see probally in 3rd phase necron release wich should be on track for sept-oct, and if anything like the DE, will include the necron "flier" kit as part of that final wave - and THATS whats been mistaken and hyped into this "rumor"

for planet strike, all we got as a set of terrain in the bastion and some craters, and a rulebook.

And the Ironclad Dreadnought, Land Speeder Storm, Vulkan He'Stan, Fortress of Redemption, Chaos Bastion, Skyshield Landing Pad and Aegis Defense Line, but sure.

DarthSpader wrote:again, i doubt it. even if gw did release some new plastic flier kits, its unlikley we would see a release across more then 2 armies at best, and not likley to be ones other then whats currently new, simply because GW has never done this before. the most recent "expansion" in spearhead saw a WD ruleset with downloadable additions, some IG upgrades and relaunches of exixsting product, and a re release of the fire prisim. not even anything "new" (unless you count pask as new)

...

so GW suddenly changing 15+ years of tac over 2 1/2 editions or more (i only recall back to mid 3rd early 4th) to release not only a new edition, but a new expansion for said edition, wich will also include a new kit for not only 1 army but at least 3? (thunderbolt/fightabomba/nightwing et al)??

history is NOT on the side of this rumor. i chose to disbelieve summer of fliers, and i choose to do so here. even if stick monkey has had some rumors correct, i believe hes had more wrong. if you shoot a shotgun into a haystack enough times youll probally hit the perverbial needle... but its a fluke if anything and by no means acurate. if stickmonkey would be so kind as to reveal his source, and proof said source is legit to back this rumor up ill change my tune and even eat my words.

If it was just Stickmonkey, I'd agree with you. But this isn't the first time talk about the Ork Fighta(/Bomba) and a mysterious Space Marine Flyer does the rounds.

First Stickmonkey, later Darnok's little birds and now even Harry's chiming in. 3rd time's a charm?

I didn't get this from Stickmonkey.
(Had not even seen what Stckmonkey had said until I just read it posted above).
I really don't follow the 40K rumours ... its rough in there.
I had to google 'Storm Hawk' to have the first idea what it was when I heard this.

Personally, I think we will get something in 6th, or at least an expansion of the very limited rules in the newer books (necron supersonic, etc.) and the IA11.

As one of the poster's had mentioned above, we have indeed been getting a lot of flyer type models (DE, stormraven, the new necrons) and now the hive tyrant even got wings.
So, perhaps we will get newer rules soon.

Personally, in my experience, even if you use "flyer" rules (older ones, I have not read the IA11 ones - my apologies) the incredibly cheap cost of the hydra pretty much blows them out of the sky.

Regardless, hopefully we will get something. If not, we still have cool models to play with...

I think it would be cool if the Eldar got their flyer in the form of a Nightwing Interceptor. Heck, GW could almost just repackage the DE Razorwing, just with a small sprue of Craftworld Eldar weapons to replace the DE ones, and some Eldar bitz add-ons.

As it is I'm already going to do that, and just use "counts-as" rules to use the DE heavy weapons as either Starcannons or Bright Lances. Like I've said before, it beats the hell out of the Forgeworld price.

No more marine flyers, though, unless they are for the Codexii that don't already get Stormravens. Or just open up SR to every MEQ.

Marines get far too much love as it is. Hell, they'll already get another new codex with the 6th edition release, probably.

AegisGrimm wrote:

No more marine flyers, though, unless they are for the Codexii that don't already get Stormravens. Or just open up SR to every MEQ.

Marines get far too much love as it is. Hell, they'll already get another new codex with the 6th edition release, probably.

So GW should forgo an opportunity to make oodles of cash?

If the Chibi Hawk makes money, anything else for SM will make money. And they love money