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https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/20/entertainment/james-gunn-exits-guardians-of-the-galaxy-3/index.html

Well this blows... there's no way the first 2 would have been as good as they were without him. Hope they can find a worthy replacement to take up that hefty mantle.

Good to see Disney sticking to their guns, though.

It would have been awfully tempting to just let it pass... hmm. Missing another pun.

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Still. If people are going to be serious about social media not being a vehicle for vile behavior, he's gotta go.

What did he say or do?

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
What did he say or do?

Made distasteful crass jokes about pedophila and the likes.

I'm not linking it here. It's bad.

Confident the central conceit of GotG can withstand his passing.

And top marks for Disney for not making excuses on this one.

This is something I personally can't make any sense of... Disney, perfectly aware of, hires a guy who wrote the script for "Tromeo and Julette" and created web series "James Gunn's PG Porn" and then fires said person over offensive twitter jokes from a decade ago, when Gunn was not only not a celebrity, but had absolutely no ties with Disney...

If this won't reveal as some sort of false pretense justification for discontinuing contract, then from where I stand it looks like there is something absolutely terrifying and kind of Orwell-meets-idiocracy going on with western "perpetually offended" public opinion leading to stories like this one. I'm recently rewatching Monty Python Flying Circuss on Netflix and I repeatedly wonder, sometimes couple of times per episode, when will this show be banned and all recordings burnt and erased from history for deliberately offending everyone and everything that can be offended.

Sex jokes are one thing. The gods I don’t believe in know I’ve a twisted sense of humour.

But making jokes about kiddy fiddling? Yeah. Not at all funny,

I'm not defending bad taste jokes, I'm amazed and terrified at the same time, that anyone can think that making bad jokes a decade ago (especially by someone who was deliberately offensive during times when offensive jokes were demanded by audience and a mainstay of stand-up comedy artists) is good enough reason to end a contract. He did not post those tweets yesterday... Where is room for any character development and betterment if we are to be held responsible for jokes made 1/5th of a lifetime ago? Seriously... Am I to believe that from this day onwards Disney is going to only hire people with spotless history?

This is just getting self parody levels of stupid now.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Sex jokes are one thing. The gods I don’t believe in know I’ve a twisted sense of humour.

But making jokes about kiddy fiddling? Yeah. Not at all funny,

There's some pretty good pedophile jokes out there you're missing out on and just because someone jokes about pedophilia doesn't mean they endorse it, don't take it seriously, that the joke is even pro-pedophilia to begin with, etc.

 whembly wrote:

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
What did he say or do?

Made distasteful crass jokes about pedophila and the likes.

I'm not linking it here. It's bad.

Where can I find out specifics? I mean, lots of people tell really dark, tasteless jokes, and no one considers it an irredeemable flaw in their character. Was he putting out some Bob Sagat material? Worse?

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

 whembly wrote:

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
What did he say or do?

Made distasteful crass jokes about pedophila and the likes.

I'm not linking it here. It's bad.

Where can I find out specifics? I mean, lots of people tell really dark, tasteless jokes, and no one considers it an irredeemable flaw in their character. Was he putting out some Bob Sagat material? Worse?

I want a full quote too, just saying it was offensive or it was about pedophilia means nothing to me if there's no context.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Sex jokes are one thing. The gods I don’t believe in know I’ve a twisted sense of humour.

But making jokes about kiddy fiddling? Yeah. Not at all funny,

You've just not heard the right ones, maybe. People use humor to deflate horror, which means there are jokes about the most horrible things, and some of them are funny.

I'd never want harm to come to any child if it could be avoided, and am nauseated reading about many things that happen in real life, yet somehow I laugh at (well told) dead baby jokes.

Warning: Maybe offensive to some viewers and most likely NSFW.

There are no off limits jokes. The idea that some dumb joke you said years ago can come back and get you fired is one of the dumbest things in the world and continues to prove, yet again, that:

1. Twitter is digital cancer.
2. Twitter needs to die a quick and inglorious death.

Of course, the hand-wringing of a few internet left-wing critics is hilarious. You know damned well that if Gunn was even slightly right of centre they'd be the ones waving the pitchforks.

The lesson to learn from these idiots?

"It's ok when we do it to them, but not ok when they do it to us!"

I think a lot of entertainers use twitter to promote their stuff so it does have some use, also being fired for something that you said years ago doesn't sit too well for me like the views I had at 15 (10 years ago) are very different from the ones I have now so with enough time people can go

through dramatic changes, so judging them on what they said or did years ago I don't think is totally fair. I don't think this should be made into right/left thing, one because it causes unnecessary animosity and two I can find probably just as many examples of right wingers being overly

offended or super sensitive despite their hypocritical rhetoric of calling liberals "special snowflakes". The reality is we all have issues that we care about, sensitivities, certain things that offend us, etc I mean I have harder time getting a laugh out of the mentally handicap then probably most

others (not saying it never happens). But that doesn't mean I don't think you should never joke about it just cause I have certain sensitivities, plus if I watch a comedic performance and I laughed at or liked 80% or more of the material then that's good enough for me it's too much to expect

comedy to perfectly cater to my idiosyncratic tastes.

It's been a campaign by Mike Cernovich to get revenge on Gunn for his anti-Trump comments.

Cernovich is the guy behind the Pizzagate hysteria.

 Crimson Devil wrote:
It's been a campaign by Mike Cernovich to get revenge on Gunn for his anti-Trump comments.

Cernovich is the guy behind the Pizzagate hysteria.

Given some of Gunn's past work, an easy and target rich environment for him.

Gee, a company that built an empire off of providing entertainment for children has an extreme reaction to unearthed pedophilia jokes from someone it employs. Let me put my shocked face on.

Skaorn wrote:
Gee, a company that built an empire off of providing entertainment for children has an extreme reaction to unearthed pedophilia jokes from someone it employs. Let me put my shocked face on.

You should, they have a history of employing actual pedos and keeping them, but are ditching Gunn for joking about it.

I have yet to see the value of having a Twitter account.

edit: except for the Consumer Safety Product Comission.

Twitter is proof the majority of human thought is worth thinking in the first place.

I haven't seen the tweets and I have no desire to search for them. I have really no comment on this event in and of itself, but feel compelled to agree with Ouze and Crismon Devil.

Twitter as a platform for discussion is garbage, nothing really good appears to come from it, and the world would be a better place without it. Nothing of value would be lost if it disappeared tomorrow.

I dunno, I enjoy getting both the Pope and the Dali Lama in the same place.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Sex jokes are one thing. The gods I don’t believe in know I’ve a twisted sense of humour.

But making jokes about kiddy fiddling? Yeah. Not at all funny,

I mean, that's just wrong. I can think of at least five Frankie Boyle jokes that relate to paedophilia that were total howlers, one of them had an entire auditorium in such stitches he had to pause his routine to let us all take a breath.

Disney's actions in the context of them striving to maintain a spotless "family friendly" image(note: image, ie perception, anyone paying attention knows of their many excesses and hypocrisies, but that's not We Timmy's mum going to see the latest Pixar film and that's who this kind of damage control is aimed at) and the current climate of Guilt by Accusation are understandable, but it's still extremely depressing.

Twitter is R selected information. It is the mayfly or the mosquito or the salmon that spawns a thousand eggs to have one survive.

R selected organisms thrive in disrupted environments, quickly reproducing to take advantage.

We need more K selected information - long form journalism, documentaries that take years to produce, books that take decades.

But K selected organisms require a stable environment, and that is far from what we have now.

I do think the character count limit is stupid.

it's a secret plan to knock the box office down so the execs can claim people don't like 'Space' films as a pre-empt to Episode IX

It's awfully petty, and on reflection Uncle Walt said many of his time remarks best dissolve the Empire just to be safe

Here's my issue with this...
Consider your job. Now imagine if something you said or did before you got that job suddenly come to light and is related back to your current boss. Maybe it was that you catcalled a woman. Maybe you made an off the cuff remark about another person. Maybe you downed 10 tequila shots, took your shirt off and danced in the middle of the street at 3am.

Doesn't matter what it was. Would your boss be justified in firing you as soon as they knew about it, no matter how far in your past it was?

Even the Pope would tell you he wasn't a saint when he was younger.

What Disney did was wrong. What Gunn posted was wrong too, but there has to be some kind of limit on how far back some offenses can be dragged up from.
And the "jokes", were neither that offensive (heard worse from know comedians) or that good.
They were... mostly forgettable.

What were the jokes? I want a direct quote.